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Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale
    #22268622 - 09/21/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hi there,

So a few months ago a friend of mine died while tripping. I actually posted a topic on here soon after it but I thought I'd repost the story since it might benefit some of the more intrepid guys out there.

Anyway had he survived I'm sure it would have been a very good experience for him but unfortunately he didn't. I guess now his life came to end up as a cautionary tale with the point being to make sure you're in a safe environment when you take psychedelics.

Two weeks prior to his death he actually reintroduced me to shrooms when we took them in central London so of course I have a lot of regret about what happened so soon after that. He was genuinely a good guy with a lot going for him.

You can see an article about it here.


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Re: Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale [Re: boilingpoint]
    #22268631 - 09/21/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I almost stepped out infront of a bus my forst time on L. Kinda forgot about, look before crossing. Im sorry to hear about your buddy bud =(


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Re: Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22268725 - 09/21/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's messed up, op...sorry for your loss. They no doubt awakened some dormant psychological issues in your friend...how much did he take? How often did he trip?


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Re: Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22269009 - 09/21/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Or perhaps he just very inexperienced & took waaaay too much & freaked out? Not everyone that has a "bad trip" (bad trip to say the least in this scenario) has deep seeded underlying mental issues. Mushrooms are a drug that alter your thought process. For all we know, he walked into the train because he thought death was a relief from the terror he was going through at the moment. :shrug:

OP, I know this isn't much, if any, comfort but I'm sorry for your loss man...

Thank you for posting this thread. Not at the expense of others but people need to be aware that mushrooms are not always going to be a fun time.


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Re: Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22269032 - 09/21/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That's messed up, op...sorry for your loss. They no doubt awakened some dormant psychological issues in your friend...how much did he take? How often did he trip?




I'm not sure - I think he was doing them every 2 to 3 weeks and had been doing them for 2 or 3 months. When we took them in London we had them as mushroom tea in 500ml bottles. I also remember him saying that he thought he had built a tolerance to it since I tripped harder than he did at that time. I'm guessing he took a higher dose on that last trip because of that.

I also don't think he'd had a bad trip prior to that point so didn't know what it would be like.


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Re: Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22269049 - 09/21/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Or perhaps he just very inexperienced & took waaaay too much & freaked out? Not everyone that has a "bad trip" (bad trip to say the least in this scenario) has deep seeded underlying mental issues. Mushrooms are a drug that alter your thought process. For all we know, he walked into the train because he thought death was a relief from the terror he was going through at the moment. :shrug:

OP, I know this isn't much, if any, comfort but I'm sorry for your loss man...

Thank you for posting this thread. Not at the expense of others but people need to be aware that mushrooms are not always going to be a fun time.





I don't think he was inexperienced but like I said I don't think he'd had a bad trip up until that point.

I think it was just paranoia - and he decided to get on the tracks since he thought those trying to kill him would not follow him there.


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Re: Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale [Re: boilingpoint]
    #22271961 - 09/21/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm sorry for your loss, but I can't help wishing the guy had had more sense. It is this kind of thing that has made it almost impossible to do any psychedelics without sneaking around in dread of the law. I hope I don't sound to heartless here. But, really people, get somewhere where you will not have the option to jump onto railroad tracks if things start to get hairy.


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Re: Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale [Re: champinhom]
    #22273418 - 09/22/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There's definitely a risk with psychedelics so I think there will always have controls in place regardless - it's up to you not get busted or hurt. Even if one day they are used in mainstream health care.

They aren't normal drugs as far as I'm concerned - I still think they are valuable but should be treated with respect. They open doors in your head that are usually closed for a reason.


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Re: Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22273558 - 09/22/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like a guy who really loved his shrooms. I don't really believe in the "underlying mental issue rap". If you are heavy into psyches and and other drugs paranoia can always sneak up on you, even if you are normally healthy. I think alot of young psyche users want to imagine everything is wonderful about their precious drug.
They are such special snowflakes.


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Re: Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale [Re: boilingpoint]
    #22274637 - 09/22/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Shit happens.  Could have been drunk instead, but the media is all over psychedelics in a case like this (I guess, since the whole story requiring interaction with the news-service and I don't do that).  But sorry for your loss.


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Re: Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22274678 - 09/22/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sad story.  Set and setting man.  This is why I don't leave the house when I trip.


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Re: Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale [Re: boilingpoint]
    #22277374 - 09/23/15 03:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Or perhaps he just very inexperienced & took waaaay too much & freaked out? Not everyone that has a "bad trip" (bad trip to say the least in this scenario) has deep seeded underlying mental issues. Mushrooms are a drug that alter your thought process. For all we know, he walked into the train because he thought death was a relief from the terror he was going through at the moment. :shrug:

OP, I know this isn't much, if any, comfort but I'm sorry for your loss man...

Thank you for posting this thread. Not at the expense of others but people need to be aware that mushrooms are not always going to be a fun time.





I don't think he was inexperienced but like I said I don't think he'd had a bad trip up until that point.

I think it was just paranoia - and he decided to get on the tracks since he thought those trying to kill him would not follow him there.



Are you saying that he was running from people who were trying to kill him?


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Re: Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale [Re: endogenous]
    #22277475 - 09/23/15 05:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you saying that he was running from people who were trying to kill him?




Well after I last saw him 2 weeks prior, I went home by myself and was still tripping. I started to become absolutely certain that there were murderous people in the shadows ready to knife me - it was extremely convincing and literally made me tremble with fear. It got to the point where I had to just accept that I would probably get stabbed to death just so I could focus on getting home ASAP.

I've had other very convincing moments where I've sensed shadow people or evil spirits - you can either call it another reality or just paranoia depending on how you see the world.


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Re: Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale [Re: boilingpoint]
    #22278155 - 09/23/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's paranoia.  Take it from somebody who's experienced the worst of non-drug induced schizophrenia.  It feels real though.


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Re: Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale [Re: boilingpoint]
    #22278341 - 09/23/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you saying that he was running from people who were trying to kill him?




Well after I last saw him 2 weeks prior, I went home by myself and was still tripping. I started to become absolutely certain that there were murderous people in the shadows ready to knife me - it was extremely convincing and literally made me tremble with fear. It got to the point where I had to just accept that I would probably get stabbed to death just so I could focus on getting home ASAP.

I've had other very convincing moments where I've sensed shadow people or evil spirits - you can either call it another reality or just paranoia depending on how you see the world.



Shadow people are a phenomenon sober people can experience.  I knew a chick in High School that was convinced they were real and saw them from time to time.  She was weird but not completely schizo.  Kind of like people that believe they're mediums.  You can be full of shit and not be technically crazy. 

Mushrooms don't give me much in the way of pyscho-mimetic effects, the drug that really gives me schizophrenic thought patterns and makes me feel like I'm losing my mind at certain times in the trip is LSD. 

Tripping in public is bad news, absolutely guaranteed to make you paranoid unless you're at some kind of festival where everybody is on drugs and no one cares.  If you're acting weird and picking up on all the negative vibes that sober strangers are giving you, you're going to have a bad trip.  Sounds like he dosed too high for his set and setting and lost control.  This is why sitters and a safe environment are so important.   

Sorry to hear about your friend, but this was totally avoidable and not the drugs' fault.  It does certainly urge people to be cautious with psychedelics, they are powerful tools and not children's playthings. 

I think as a forum we should be careful to recommend people tripping in public for this reason, I see so many threads where somebody is asking whether or not they should take 5G and go out into the forest at night and a whole bunch of people are like "yeah dude sounds awesome, go for it!" and it's just so irresponsible and dangerous to recommend that to a stranger.  So many things can go wrong. 

There are old drug users and bold drug users, but no old, bold drug users.


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Re: Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22279410 - 09/23/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Tripping in public is bad news, absolutely guaranteed to make you paranoid unless you're at some kind of festival where everybody is on drugs and no one cares.  If you're acting weird and picking up on all the negative vibes that sober strangers are giving you, you're going to have a bad trip.  Sounds like he dosed too high for his set and setting and lost control.  This is why sitters and a safe environment are so important.   



well said!....The truth is that, even though we are warned about this...we always have to try for ourselves anyway.:shrug:


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Re: Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22279469 - 09/23/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have tripped in public a lot and never had a bad time except on high doses where I just wanted to be away from people and their "bad energy" but it wasn't a bad trip. I love observing society on psychedelics, although it has made me realize how ugly our society is.

I have noticed some people lose their head on psychedelics, well other people  don't completely lose thier head even if we are having a bad time.

And I mean, I have gone out of my mind before but I mean in terms of traveling internally, not in the sense of harming myself or others.


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Re: Magic Mushrooms - A Cautionary Tale [Re: boilingpoint]
    #22286963 - 09/25/15 02:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you saying that he was running from people who were trying to kill him?




Well after I last saw him 2 weeks prior, I went home by myself and was still tripping. I started to become absolutely certain that there were murderous people in the shadows ready to knife me - it was extremely convincing and literally made me tremble with fear. It got to the point where I had to just accept that I would probably get stabbed to death just so I could focus on getting home ASAP.

I've had other very convincing moments where I've sensed shadow people or evil spirits - you can either call it another reality or just paranoia depending on how you see the world.



Was your friend into cocaine? (Rock musicians usually are.)

Cocaine seems to make people extremely paranoid. On the other hand, they could very well have something real to be paranoid about since cocaine gangs are known to be violent and murderous.

I had a friend who (after ingesting alot of cocaine), was sure that the police had put a bug in the light fixture while he was sleeping and had his hotel room surrounded with machine gun toting militia.

But this is starting to sound like you really don't know what happened to the person and are thinking he was paranoid because you were.


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