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how did existence begin?
    #22268202 - 09/21/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Before the big bang there was likely existence how did that come into play? Discuss


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #22268219 - 09/21/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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likely existence




Where the hell did that idea?:brilliant:


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #22268234 - 09/21/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The life-cycle of the universe is unknowable. Unless you're going to scam the government out of millions of dollars for "research", it's probably better to explore the life and existence you have now.

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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22268261 - 09/21/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

"The world could be anything."

We live under the cultural assumption that the universe is "matter."

It's just an assumption.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22268267 - 09/21/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Everyone knows God created everything including existence and himself.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: T-Funkadelic]
    #22268274 - 09/21/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Somehow you created it all, same as me and everyone else because we are all one for some reason, seems to make sense sometimes especially on shrooms.  Like, there is no separation between us and god, it's the same thing.  It's a vague answer but it makes perfect sense to me sometimes, haha.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: Jufin]
    #22268288 - 09/21/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, it is all one being... I like to steal the world 'God' back into sane, intellectual hands and say we are all God.

But what kind of game are You playing here?


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: circastes]
    #22268323 - 09/21/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Personally I'm making games as well as playing them.  Creating things encourages well being and staves off death anxiety for me.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: Jufin] * 1
    #22270545 - 09/21/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yo..its the concept of the mundane egg..

The soul..which is Yellow and orange..like the yoke of an egg..eventually hatched..and the person(s) themselves started to create existence..with no former knowledge except the sublime peace of the soul..and the meaning

Which is the Creator itself..in pure light and peace..and now we build based on what we have..and create a new to experience everything..

the most amazing part is understanding yourself..you are indeed a hatched egg..and when the chicken runs..sometimes he runs to far ,..and that is suffering necessarily..


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #22278347 - 09/23/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Before the big bang there was likely existence how did that come into play? Discuss




From an existential perspective, there was no existence prior to the Big Bang. No space, no time, non-existence. However, where physicists can only conjecture because of the limitation of empirical evidence, metaphysicians have intuitively arrived at a variety of metaphorical answers to what WAS (not what existed) through myth, metaphor, intuition, revelation, and mystical insight. WAS is the past tense of IS, and IS denotes Being. From an ontological perspective (ontos=being), there is the theological idea of a "Ground of Being" which is eternal and unmanifested. Of this Divine Ground, nothing can be affirmed. Plato in his Parmenides, even questioned whether Being can be attributed to this Ultimate Reality, if Being (not an individual being), because we usually assert that Being involves consciousness or self-awareness. Consciousness is real, yet consciousness is insubstantial. It does not occupy space and time, it has no mass and cannot be quantified empirically. Consciousness is like 'the eye which sees, yet which cannot be seen.' In certain Hindu myths, the Great God Vishnu dreams the universe, and it is reabsorbed into his unconscious when he awakens from his dream. This idea, scientifically hypothesized, is called the oscillating or cyclic model.

We, indeed the universe itself is relatively real, but relative to the Absolute Being creating/dreaming it, we are as ephemeral as dream-images compared to the Ultimate Reality. The Kabbalists speak of Tsimtsum  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzimtzum ; wherein the Infinite Mind contracts its 'substance' to form a 'vacuole' the size of a mathematical point (which is not really a 'size' but rather the Infinite as the Infinitesimal contraction, vs. Infinite expansion (both metaphorical expressions of course). Into this point, or Singularity, the Platonic Forms or Eternal Ideas are 'compressed' like the DNA of a biblical mustard tree is compressed into a tiny seed. The energy released at the Big Bang begins space-time from Zero dimension to 1-dimensional 'rays' describing a 3-dimensional sphere of expanding energy which at the same time defines duration and hence a 4th dimension of time. These, of course are just the dimensions human beings are aware of. Mathematicians have hypothesized many more. The Great Chain of Being evolves: energy polarizes, proton and electrons, Hydrogen forms, stars form, heavier element fuse in stellar furnaces, stars die, matter forms, planets form, etc., etc.

It is not possible to imagine non-existence. The mind yields only a field of blackness, and the imagination imparts hypothetical depth, omni-directionally to that dark void. But his is just our human mind hitting a '404 error.' Imagination requires referentiality in space and time. Zero dimension cannot be imaged. Even a 1 or 2-dimention line or plane can only be imagined in a 3-dimensional space, which also means a 4th dimension of duration (time) within which that space can unfold. We cannot experience a 1, 2, or 0 dimensional existence, without 'being' 1, 2, or 0 dimensions ourselves. The link provides an amusing lesson, especially if you have not read Flatland: A Romance of manny Dimensions, 1884. 



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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22278384 - 09/23/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22279126 - 09/23/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hahaha that's bloody awesome!  Well done.  Also, Markos, great post as per usual, such great detail in your explanations.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22283208 - 09/24/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:lol: Awesome comic! Thanks for posting :lol:


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: Jufin]
    #22283212 - 09/24/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:cheers: Thankyouverymuch! 


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22292974 - 09/26/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well say it starts as -1, this would mean that not only would nothing exist yet, but that it is in a negative form of potential..in the possibility is the potential to become something more..and there in provides the reasons to be able to expand and then begin to generate.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #22293010 - 09/26/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Covered in darkness was the first light(of man), which is included in this peaceful autopsy..so that psychopaths dont find peace..therein we find the meaning of life..which is to be kind and on honest keel..so that if you fall over(or in love or out of things/time) you will have a chance to become a good human being..(ain sof)or whats more? Situationaly this is an honest line segment..or sequiter..which is a complete connection to either the whole..or a next or previous segment..this could be in the future..Present..or past..each of which is a dimension..paying attention to the astral body is the meaning of dissociation; which in a net sequiter is a monitoring or becoming a beacon of light for example..you can always type something valid based on the negative insertions of others..based on the Ain-Sof-Aur..or the gold in time.

This Knowledge is on behalf of Good and Evil.. in the tree of life..which naturally truncates the evil parts of existence..only to repeat the cycle again..so that we can each have peaceful lives..and in this is the garment of Bruce Lee..who earned a Golden Certificate from working his body so hard..and than teaching his findings to the world as Martial arts, philosophy and Physick of the Body..and artistry..and san ship..for Chan or Zen Buddhism..can release things as the truth permits...and thats how we can type on the internet..so the tree indeed does not leave or make a sound..unless you are around to hear it..


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #22313224 - 09/30/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Time could act like similar to a schwarzschild around a black hole.
Because of the relation of time and matter/space, the more space transforms toward a point, which is by definition no space, the more the concept of time becomes irrelevant until it stops existing at singularity.
At least we guess it stops existing, but it also could behave like a division by zero equation, where the outcome/result is just 'undefined'. Means, we have no mean to know what is the result. It even could be 'all' alltogether (instead of the physical concept of nothing).
So that's my personal guess as far I am (miss-)informed, lol.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #22313483 - 09/30/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

According to modern Inflationary theory, universes form out of bubbles in a higher dimensional space (known as the Inflaton).  That is, the mathematics work out so that at certain points, quantum fluctuations become magnified and a huge expansion takes place -- what to us is known as the big bang.  Other big bangs are happening trillions of times every second in the Inflaton, and this, of course, is known as the multiverse.  There is a string theory variant of this known as "Brane" theory, which stipulates that higher dimensional surfaces or "branes" sometimes collide, leading to a rupture that becomes constituted of spacetime.  I prefer the inflationary explanation, personally.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #22314153 - 09/30/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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how did existence begin?




Do you want the real answer or a fictitious anwser?


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22314353 - 09/30/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:wellidunno:


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #22326072 - 10/02/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

an intelligent design of some sorts?  i believe that there is a higher power than god(s), but hey i could be wrong.  i have long wondered where everything comes from.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: enlightened seed] * 1
    #22329485 - 10/03/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Big Bang has never seemed like truth to me at all


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22329514 - 10/03/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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i have long wondered where everything comes from.




Me too, always will.
I could never replace my question mark with a period or exclamation point in regards to these things and will always distrust and laugh at those who claim to have the answer.
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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #22329523 - 10/03/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Just for that, I am not telling!  :razz:

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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22329669 - 10/03/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have all the answers I need right here.

Bible means: Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. :thumbup:

The ONLY math a man needs to get by in this world is this.

3 nails + 1 cross = 4given.

3 nails + 1 cross = 4given.

3 nails + 1 cross = 4given.

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    #22329699 - 10/03/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

3 nails + 2 planks = 5given.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #22329779 - 10/03/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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AS long as the human mind does not directly experience Ultimate Reality as it is, the mind is baffled in every attempt to explain the origin and purpose of creation. The ancient past seems to be shrouded in inscrutable mystery and the future seems to be a completely sealed book. The human mind can at best make brilliant conjectures about the past and the future of the universe, because it is bound by the spell of Maya. It can neither arrive at final knowledge on these points nor can it remain content with ignorance about them. “Whence?” and “Whither?” are the two everlasting and poignant queries which make the human mind divinely restless.

        The human mind cannot reconcile itself to infinite regress in its search for the origin of the world, nor can it reconcile itself to endless change without a goal. Evolution is unintelligible if it has no initial cause, and it is deprived of all direction and meaning if it all does not lead to a terminus. The very questions “Whence?” and “Whither?” presuppose the beginning and end of this evolving creation. The beginning of evolution is the beginning of time and the end of evolution is the end of time. Evolution has both beginning and end because time has both beginning and end.

        Between the beginning and the end of this changing world there are many cycles, but there is, in and through these cycles, a continuity of cosmic evolution. The real termination of the evolutionary process is called Mahapralaya or the final annihilation of the world, when the world becomes what it was in the beginning, namely nothing. The Mahapralaya of the world may be compared with the sleep of a man. Just as the varied world of experience completely disappears for the man who is in deep sleep, the entire objective cosmos which is the creation of Maya vanishes into nothingness at the time of Mahapralaya. It is as if the universe had never existed at all.

        Even during the evolutionary period the universe is in itself nothing but imagination. There is in fact only one indivisible and eternal Reality and it has neither beginning nor end. Reality is timeless and absolute It is beyond time. From the point of view of this timeless Reality the whole time-process is purely imaginary, and billions of years which have passed and billions of years which are to pass do not have even the value of a second. It is as if they had not existed at all.

        So the manifold and evolving universe cannot be said to be a real outcome of this one Reality. If it were an outcome of this one Reality, Reality would be either a relative term or a composite being, which it is not. The one Reality is absolute. The one Reality includes in itself all existence. It is Everything, but it has Nothing as its shadow. The idea of all-inclusive existence implies that it leaves nothing outside its being. When you analyse the idea of being, you arrive by implication at the idea of that which does not exist. This idea of non-existence or “Nothing” helps you to define clearly our notion of being. The complementary aspect of Being is thus Non-Being or Nothing. But “Nothing” cannot be looked upon as having its own separate and independent existence. It is nothing in itself. Nor can it, in itself, be a cause of anything. The manifold and evolving universe cannot be the outcome of “Nothing” taken by itself, and you have seen that it also cannot be the outcome of the one Reality. How then does the manifold and evolving universe arise?

        The manifold evolving universe arises from the mixing of the one Reality and “Nothing.” It springs out of “Nothing” when this “Nothing” is taken against the background of the one Reality. But this should not be taken to mean that the universe is partly the outcome of the one Reality, or that it has an element of Reality. It is an outcome of “Nothing” and is nothing. It only seems to have existence. Its apparent existence is due to the one Reality which is, as it were, behind “Nothing.” When “Nothing” is added to the one Reality, the result is the manifold and evolving universe.

        The one Reality which is infinite and absolute does not thereby suffer any modification. It is absolute and is as such entirely unaffected by any addition or subtraction. The one Reality remains what it was, complete and absolute in itself and unconcerned and unconnected with the panorama of creation that springs out of “Nothing.” “Nothing” might be compared to the value of “zero” in mathematics. In itself it has no positive value, but when it is added to another number it gives rise to the many. In the same way the manifold and evolving universe springs out of “Nothing” when it is combined with the one Reality.

The whole evolutionary process is within the domain of imagination. When in imagination the one ocean of Reality gets apparently disturbed, there arises the manifold world of separate centres of consciousness. This involves the basic division of life into the self and not-self, or the “I” and its environment. Owing to the falseness and the incompleteness of this limited self (which is only an imagined part of a really indivisible totality), consciousness cannot remain content with eternal identification with it. Thus consciousness is trapped in ceaseless restlessness, forcing it to attempt identification with the not-self. That portion of the not-self, or the environment with which consciousness succeeds in identifying itself, gets affiliated with the self in the form of “mine”; and that portion of the not-self, with which it does not succeed in identifying itself, becomes irreducible environment which inevitably creates a limit and an opposition to the self.






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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: soldatheero]
    #22330089 - 10/03/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i question jesus and the bible.  it seems like something disney would manufacture.  besides he is not the only god people worldwide worship.


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    #22330096 - 10/03/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

where are jesus's remains? exactly!:drag:


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #22330125 - 10/03/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Before the big bang there was likely existence how did that come into play? Discuss



Doesn't matter. You'll figure that out after death


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22332439 - 10/04/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

im glad you asked young whipersnaper the big bang was me farting as i took a huge shit even my waste is epic


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