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how did existence begin?
    #22268202 - 09/21/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Before the big bang there was likely existence how did that come into play? Discuss


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #22268219 - 09/21/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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likely existence




Where the hell did that idea?:brilliant:


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #22268234 - 09/21/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The life-cycle of the universe is unknowable. Unless you're going to scam the government out of millions of dollars for "research", it's probably better to explore the life and existence you have now.

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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22268261 - 09/21/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

"The world could be anything."

We live under the cultural assumption that the universe is "matter."

It's just an assumption.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22268267 - 09/21/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Everyone knows God created everything including existence and himself.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: T-Funkadelic]
    #22268274 - 09/21/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Somehow you created it all, same as me and everyone else because we are all one for some reason, seems to make sense sometimes especially on shrooms.  Like, there is no separation between us and god, it's the same thing.  It's a vague answer but it makes perfect sense to me sometimes, haha.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: Jufin]
    #22268288 - 09/21/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, it is all one being... I like to steal the world 'God' back into sane, intellectual hands and say we are all God.

But what kind of game are You playing here?


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: circastes]
    #22268323 - 09/21/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Personally I'm making games as well as playing them.  Creating things encourages well being and staves off death anxiety for me.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: Jufin] * 1
    #22270545 - 09/21/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yo..its the concept of the mundane egg..

The soul..which is Yellow and orange..like the yoke of an egg..eventually hatched..and the person(s) themselves started to create existence..with no former knowledge except the sublime peace of the soul..and the meaning

Which is the Creator itself..in pure light and peace..and now we build based on what we have..and create a new to experience everything..

the most amazing part is understanding yourself..you are indeed a hatched egg..and when the chicken runs..sometimes he runs to far ,..and that is suffering necessarily..


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #22278347 - 09/23/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Before the big bang there was likely existence how did that come into play? Discuss




From an existential perspective, there was no existence prior to the Big Bang. No space, no time, non-existence. However, where physicists can only conjecture because of the limitation of empirical evidence, metaphysicians have intuitively arrived at a variety of metaphorical answers to what WAS (not what existed) through myth, metaphor, intuition, revelation, and mystical insight. WAS is the past tense of IS, and IS denotes Being. From an ontological perspective (ontos=being), there is the theological idea of a "Ground of Being" which is eternal and unmanifested. Of this Divine Ground, nothing can be affirmed. Plato in his Parmenides, even questioned whether Being can be attributed to this Ultimate Reality, if Being (not an individual being), because we usually assert that Being involves consciousness or self-awareness. Consciousness is real, yet consciousness is insubstantial. It does not occupy space and time, it has no mass and cannot be quantified empirically. Consciousness is like 'the eye which sees, yet which cannot be seen.' In certain Hindu myths, the Great God Vishnu dreams the universe, and it is reabsorbed into his unconscious when he awakens from his dream. This idea, scientifically hypothesized, is called the oscillating or cyclic model.

We, indeed the universe itself is relatively real, but relative to the Absolute Being creating/dreaming it, we are as ephemeral as dream-images compared to the Ultimate Reality. The Kabbalists speak of Tsimtsum  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzimtzum ; wherein the Infinite Mind contracts its 'substance' to form a 'vacuole' the size of a mathematical point (which is not really a 'size' but rather the Infinite as the Infinitesimal contraction, vs. Infinite expansion (both metaphorical expressions of course). Into this point, or Singularity, the Platonic Forms or Eternal Ideas are 'compressed' like the DNA of a biblical mustard tree is compressed into a tiny seed. The energy released at the Big Bang begins space-time from Zero dimension to 1-dimensional 'rays' describing a 3-dimensional sphere of expanding energy which at the same time defines duration and hence a 4th dimension of time. These, of course are just the dimensions human beings are aware of. Mathematicians have hypothesized many more. The Great Chain of Being evolves: energy polarizes, proton and electrons, Hydrogen forms, stars form, heavier element fuse in stellar furnaces, stars die, matter forms, planets form, etc., etc.

It is not possible to imagine non-existence. The mind yields only a field of blackness, and the imagination imparts hypothetical depth, omni-directionally to that dark void. But his is just our human mind hitting a '404 error.' Imagination requires referentiality in space and time. Zero dimension cannot be imaged. Even a 1 or 2-dimention line or plane can only be imagined in a 3-dimensional space, which also means a 4th dimension of duration (time) within which that space can unfold. We cannot experience a 1, 2, or 0 dimensional existence, without 'being' 1, 2, or 0 dimensions ourselves. The link provides an amusing lesson, especially if you have not read Flatland: A Romance of manny Dimensions, 1884. 



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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22278384 - 09/23/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22279126 - 09/23/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hahaha that's bloody awesome!  Well done.  Also, Markos, great post as per usual, such great detail in your explanations.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22283208 - 09/24/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:lol: Awesome comic! Thanks for posting :lol:


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: Jufin]
    #22283212 - 09/24/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:cheers: Thankyouverymuch! 


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22292974 - 09/26/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well say it starts as -1, this would mean that not only would nothing exist yet, but that it is in a negative form of potential..in the possibility is the potential to become something more..and there in provides the reasons to be able to expand and then begin to generate.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #22293010 - 09/26/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Covered in darkness was the first light(of man), which is included in this peaceful autopsy..so that psychopaths dont find peace..therein we find the meaning of life..which is to be kind and on honest keel..so that if you fall over(or in love or out of things/time) you will have a chance to become a good human being..(ain sof)or whats more? Situationaly this is an honest line segment..or sequiter..which is a complete connection to either the whole..or a next or previous segment..this could be in the future..Present..or past..each of which is a dimension..paying attention to the astral body is the meaning of dissociation; which in a net sequiter is a monitoring or becoming a beacon of light for example..you can always type something valid based on the negative insertions of others..based on the Ain-Sof-Aur..or the gold in time.

This Knowledge is on behalf of Good and Evil.. in the tree of life..which naturally truncates the evil parts of existence..only to repeat the cycle again..so that we can each have peaceful lives..and in this is the garment of Bruce Lee..who earned a Golden Certificate from working his body so hard..and than teaching his findings to the world as Martial arts, philosophy and Physick of the Body..and artistry..and san ship..for Chan or Zen Buddhism..can release things as the truth permits...and thats how we can type on the internet..so the tree indeed does not leave or make a sound..unless you are around to hear it..


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #22313224 - 09/30/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Time could act like similar to a schwarzschild around a black hole.
Because of the relation of time and matter/space, the more space transforms toward a point, which is by definition no space, the more the concept of time becomes irrelevant until it stops existing at singularity.
At least we guess it stops existing, but it also could behave like a division by zero equation, where the outcome/result is just 'undefined'. Means, we have no mean to know what is the result. It even could be 'all' alltogether (instead of the physical concept of nothing).
So that's my personal guess as far I am (miss-)informed, lol.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #22313483 - 09/30/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

According to modern Inflationary theory, universes form out of bubbles in a higher dimensional space (known as the Inflaton).  That is, the mathematics work out so that at certain points, quantum fluctuations become magnified and a huge expansion takes place -- what to us is known as the big bang.  Other big bangs are happening trillions of times every second in the Inflaton, and this, of course, is known as the multiverse.  There is a string theory variant of this known as "Brane" theory, which stipulates that higher dimensional surfaces or "branes" sometimes collide, leading to a rupture that becomes constituted of spacetime.  I prefer the inflationary explanation, personally.


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #22314153 - 09/30/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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how did existence begin?




Do you want the real answer or a fictitious anwser?


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Re: how did existence begin? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22314353 - 09/30/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:wellidunno:


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