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Mushrooms not cracker dry :(
    #22268103 - 09/21/15 04:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So, I've the mushrooms 3 days in front of a fan, and 4 days on a little plastic box with 3 bags of silica gel separated with kitchen paper, they are dry, bur not cracker dry, after one week its normal? Can i store them? I need to wait more? I store 4 bags of 1,5g 2g 2,5g and 3g to see what happens, what do you think shroomery?
I cant buy a food dehydrator right now, so, homemade methods xD
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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pajariyo]
    #22268119 - 09/21/15 05:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No they must be cracker dry. They are also loosing potency the longer it takes. Dry them on a cookie sheet in the oven at 175, crack the door and aim the fan inside to circulate the air. Turn them every 30 min to keep em from burning.


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22268131 - 09/21/15 05:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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No they must be cracker dry. They are also loosing potency the longer it takes. Dry them on a cookie sheet in the oven at 175, crack the door and aim the fan inside to circulate the air. Turn them every 30 min to keep em from burning.



I read than the heat destroys the psilocybin, if not how much time?


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pajariyo]
    #22268151 - 09/21/15 06:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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No they must be cracker dry. They are also loosing potency the longer it takes. Dry them on a cookie sheet in the oven at 175, crack the door and aim the fan inside to circulate the air. Turn them every 30 min to keep em from burning.



I read than the heat destroys the psilocybin, if not how much time?




Till they are done. Heat can destroy psilocybin at 300f or so. But leaving them in air or damp is far worse.


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22268260 - 09/21/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Enzymatic destruction of actives happens at livable temperature. At 160+ most enzymes if not all the ones in cubes deactivate. We use food dehydrator set to 160+ usually 170 to dry as fast as possible to lock in potency.

Its not unusual that they don't get cracker dry with a fan. You would have to live some where quite arid


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22268327 - 09/21/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Enzymatic destruction of actives happens at livable temperature. At 160+ most enzymes if not all the ones in cubes deactivate. We use food dehydrator set to 160+ usually 170 to dry as fast as possible to lock in potency.

Its not unusual that they don't get cracker dry with a fan. You would have to live some where quite arid



The humidity here are about 40% 44%, idk why i cant get them crackers


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pajariyo]
    #22268336 - 09/21/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

40% RH is high where I live. I need about 4 days to fan dry in 5% RH.


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22268375 - 09/21/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Really? Damn. Shroomery, you are pro oven dry? Or not? Potency are compromised?


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pajariyo]
    #22268411 - 09/21/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

People have deep fried cubes, grilled them, made tea with boiling water at 212 f, and recently pressure cooked them. Like bodhi said, letting them sit and degrade at room temp is far more detrimental.


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pajariyo]
    #22268412 - 09/21/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm pro-damp rid, then I don't need to care :V

And I mean, really... Damp Rid is so cheap and you can buy it at Walgreens.

Just seal it in a box with some at the bottom and a net or whatever so it's not touching it.

And you can dry it in an oven, or even microwave and reuse it.


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: micro]
    #22268420 - 09/21/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm pro-damp rid, then I don't need to care :V

And I mean, really... Damp Rid is so cheap and you can buy it at Walgreens.

Just seal it in a box with some at the bottom and a net or whatever so it's not touching it.

And you can dry it in an oven, or even microwave and reuse it.




Or, you know, throw em in my 20$ food dehydrator


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22268758 - 09/21/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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People have deep fried cubes, grilled them, made tea with boiling water at 212 f, and recently pressure cooked them. Like bodhi said, letting them sit and degrade at room temp is far more detrimental.



So, why other people are writing in different sites, than in the oven way to dey it, her trip its less powerful?


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pajariyo]
    #22268818 - 09/21/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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People have deep fried cubes, grilled them, made tea with boiling water at 212 f, and recently pressure cooked them. Like bodhi said, letting them sit and degrade at room temp is far more detrimental.



So, why other people are writing in different sites, than in the oven way to dey it, her trip its less powerful?




Because those other people on those sites honestly don't know shit. :thumbup: The reddit ones are the worst.


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: newrook]
    #22268834 - 09/21/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Or, you know, throw em in my 20$ food dehydrator




damp rid is like 5 bucks, i think

but yeah, either way will work

i just always figured if i don't need to use heat then why bother


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: newrook]
    #22268839 - 09/21/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm pro-damp rid, then I don't need to care :V

And I mean, really... Damp Rid is so cheap and you can buy it at Walgreens.

Just seal it in a box with some at the bottom and a net or whatever so it's not touching it.

And you can dry it in an oven, or even microwave and reuse it.




Or, you know, throw em in my 20$ food dehydrator




Where do you get one for $20?
I had to pay $50 for mine


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: blackdust]
    #22268887 - 09/21/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Reddit erowid and YouTube are shit for mushroom cultivation info.


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: blackdust]
    #22268907 - 09/21/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Damp rid and fan drying is fine for someone with six cakes and are not concerned with potency loss. But to dry a monos worth of wet fruits? 2300-3500 wet? Hell no thanks. I want my fruits dry as fast as possible. 30 hours to dry fruits is as long as I can go. Otherwise I start to worry abouy lost potency.


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22268922 - 09/21/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Damp rid and fan drying is fine for someone with six cakes and are not concerned with potency loss. But to dry a monos worth of wet fruits? 2300-3500 wet? Hell no thanks. I want my fruits dry as fast as possible. 30 hours to dry fruits is as long as I can go. Otherwise I start to worry abouy lost potency.




it doesn't take 30 hours and i was growing pounds

we had a large styrofoam box though

best to dry the damp rid first

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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22268928 - 09/21/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, gonna put them on the oven, any advice? Temperature, how much time? What level to put the cookie sheet? Up or down? And i need to use the grill right?


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22268935 - 09/21/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Can I vaporizer the actives at 250F :confused:


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pajariyo]
    #22268945 - 09/21/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Use heat at least 160f to "fix" the enzymes and stop degradation.

Not using heat = more potency loss

Neither psilocin or psilocybin will vape even at 300f


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pajariyo]
    #22268947 - 09/21/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lowest temperature setting possible. Leave the door cracked with a fan pointed in towards the oven door. I wouldn't use a baking sheet, I would use the oven racks, you want air flow to directly come in contact with fruits. It'll be a while. :cheers:


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22269058 - 09/21/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So i put the grill, oven at 160F or 70C, open door and a fan on the front, all clear, they are 85% dry, how much is gonna take aprox. If you know?


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: micro]
    #22269110 - 09/21/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Damp rid and fan drying is fine for someone with six cakes and are not concerned with potency loss. But to dry a monos worth of wet fruits? 2300-3500 wet? Hell no thanks. I want my fruits dry as fast as possible. 30 hours to dry fruits is as long as I can go. Otherwise I start to worry abouy lost potency.




it doesn't take 30 hours and i was growing pounds

we had a large styrofoam box though

best to dry the damp rid first

good luck!




Unless you live in a blast furnace there is zero way that you can fan dry then pull the extramoisture out sooner than that. I live in a really dry climate and even in a house with a RH of <5% it took me well over 30 hours just to get them to the point where they were ready for a damp rid chamber. One of my dehydrators can take about 2500 wet grams with 8 racks. Unless your cooler was 150 quarts you ain't fitting a pound in it and still having room for a rack plus enough damprid to pull that much moisture, certainly not that fast. Hell even if it was bigger than that i doubt you could do it that fast. Sorry it doesn't add up.


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pajariyo]
    #22269164 - 09/21/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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So i put the grill, oven at 160F or 70C, open door and a fan on the front, all clear, they are 85% dry, how much is gonna take aprox. If you know?



It'd probably be a couple hours, maybe more though.

Also bodhisatta, do you have any sources or experiments about enzymes that break down the actives? I haven't heard of this before now.


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Achillita]
    #22269181 - 09/21/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

All things once cut off from life or their nutrition begin to autolyze


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22269199 - 09/21/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

YEs, but why would heating them vs not heating them when you're dryng change the way the actives break down?


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Achillita]
    #22269306 - 09/21/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Deactivated enzymes. If you kill all the cells and cellular components you stop natural breakdown


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22269323 - 09/21/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They are on the oven now, 160F, open door, and a fan in front of the oven, 90 minutes set, but im gonna check every half an hour, its ok?
They smell like they tastes its ok too?


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: blackdust]
    #22269395 - 09/21/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Where do you get one for $20?
I had to pay $50 for mine




A friend of mine just got a 1000 watt old garden master dehydrator at an estate sale for $10!!! Fucking thing looks like it was never used! Original box and trays etc.
Go to estate sales, rummage sales, 2nd hand shops. You can find them cheap.


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Juiceh]
    #22269536 - 09/21/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Crystal cat liter. Once they are fan dried you can put them in a bucket with the crystal cat litter at the botom. You can recharge the cat litter by putting it in the microwave or oven.


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pajariyo]
    #22269638 - 09/21/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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They are on the oven now, 160F, open door, and a fan in front of the oven, 90 minutes set, but im gonna check every half an hour, its ok?
They smell like they tastes its ok too?




How are they coming along? :popcorn:


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    #22269705 - 09/21/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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They are on the oven now, 160F, open door, and a fan in front of the oven, 90 minutes set, but im gonna check every half an hour, its ok?
They smell like they tastes its ok too?




How are they coming along? :popcorn:



Wow guys! 60 min. And they are cracker as fuck!
Thanks to all :smile: now im gonna do, 1 day or 2 in front of a fan, and the put them in te oven.
And if you all say they dont loss potency.... You just help a lot to me :laugh: thanks you all guys


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pajariyo]
    #22269767 - 09/21/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Don't even bother with the fan, just straight in the oven. The faster they get dry the better.


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    #22269822 - 09/21/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't even bother with the fan, just straight in the oven. The faster they get dry the better.



Really? Can i put them straight on the oven? :laugh: thats better then
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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22269852 - 09/21/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Damp rid and fan drying is fine for someone with six cakes and are not concerned with potency loss. But to dry a monos worth of wet fruits? 2300-3500 wet? Hell no thanks. I want my fruits dry as fast as possible. 30 hours to dry fruits is as long as I can go. Otherwise I start to worry abouy lost potency.




it doesn't take 30 hours and i was growing pounds

we had a large styrofoam box though

best to dry the damp rid first

good luck!




Unless you live in a blast furnace there is zero way that you can fan dry then pull the extramoisture out sooner than that. I live in a really dry climate and even in a house with a RH of <5% it took me well over 30 hours just to get them to the point where they were ready for a damp rid chamber. One of my dehydrators can take about 2500 wet grams with 8 racks. Unless your cooler was 150 quarts you ain't fitting a pound in it and still having room for a rack plus enough damprid to pull that much moisture, certainly not that fast. Hell even if it was bigger than that i doubt you could do it that fast. Sorry it doesn't add up.



It depends on the size of the mushrooms and the temperature. Tiny mushrooms or small slices of mushroom can be air dried relatively quickly :tongue: but fans can only remove moisture on the surface regardless of how powerful they are so it's limited by the time it takes for the internal moisture to makes it way to replace the lost moisture at the surface. Increasing the temperature is the only way increase how quickly that can happen.


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: Kizzle]
    #22269985 - 09/21/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I still like heat the best
autolysis occurs as soon as harvest happens
the autolysis isn't an active process so much as an inevitable process caused by normal active cellular functions ceasing. when the cells no longer are on life support the lysosome in cells breaks open and releases everything that normally keeps the cells nice and clean out. these waste disposal enzymes are capable of breaking down nearly every biomolecule.

I would rather stop the process of natural degradation by using a decent food dehydrator


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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22270528 - 09/21/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I still like heat the best
autolysis occurs as soon as harvest happens
the autolysis isn't an active process so much as an inevitable process caused by normal active cellular functions ceasing. when the cells no longer are on life support the lysosome in cells breaks open and releases everything that normally keeps the cells nice and clean out. these waste disposal enzymes are capable of breaking down nearly every biomolecule.

I would rather stop the process of natural degradation by using a decent food dehydrator




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Re: Mushrooms not cracker dry :( [Re: blackdust]
    #22270542 - 09/21/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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