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Bucket O' Fungus - Possible Improvements to the Tek?
    #22268004 - 09/21/15 03:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hi there, I am new to the forums and I have been lurking without an account for many years now. I have done some pf jars and I want to move on to bulk. 

Soon, when I get my money right, I am going to try out the bucket o' fungus tek. Additionally, I thought of some modifications to the tek.

  • I found these elastic, plastic 5 gallon bucket covers: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=23422


  • . I thought that it would be a good idea to try drilling some small holes in the side of the bucket and gluing some tyvek over the holes with silicone.

  • . I also thought about placing these buckets in a Tub-in-Tub sort of set up so that they could be heated from the bottom after spawning to the bulk substrate within.


Let me know if this is a good, or bad idea... if I get some thumbs up, I may just start with this project. I really like this idea, and I want to make it even better if possible. However, the tek is already really great. Also props to _OttO_ <-- Awesome contributor to this forum :smile:


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Re: Bucket O' Fungus - Possible Improvements to the Tek? [Re: TheKingofLimbs]
    #22268008 - 09/21/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Monotub, not bucket....and heat nothing, that's the worst mistake a noob can make...room temp for everything!


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Re: Bucket O' Fungus - Possible Improvements to the Tek? [Re: PussyFart]
    #22268012 - 09/21/15 03:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Light, Temperature, and Pinning Triggers...

Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.

Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 83F , and contams thrive.

Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.


Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years.  Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger.
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Re: Bucket O' Fungus - Possible Improvements to the Tek? [Re: PussyFart]
    #22268020 - 09/21/15 03:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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PussyFart said:
Light, Temperature, and Pinning Triggers...

Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.

Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 83F , and contams thrive.

Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.


Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years.  Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger.
RR




Wow, thanks for the quick reply! What if you live in a very cool climate? I am in a basement and the winters here get very cold... I am just worried for the winter months. Should I just run a space heater? My electrical box has fuses! :frown:


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Re: Bucket O' Fungus - Possible Improvements to the Tek? [Re: TheKingofLimbs]
    #22268026 - 09/21/15 03:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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TheKingofLimbs said:
Should I just run a space heater?



:bigyesnod:


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Re: Bucket O' Fungus - Possible Improvements to the Tek? [Re: TheKingofLimbs]
    #22268040 - 09/21/15 03:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

A space heater is fine yeah, just dont over do it, if you are comfortable then so are the mushrooms :smile:


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Re: Bucket O' Fungus - Possible Improvements to the Tek? [Re: PussyFart]
    #22268049 - 09/21/15 03:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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PussyFart said:
Monotub, not bucket....and heat nothing, that's the worst mistake a noob can make...room temp for everything!




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21448273

You can read all about monotubs here in this link. Monotubs are the preferred for bulk grows. With a properly dialed-in tub, you can set and forget, only having to stuff with poly to introduce intro fruiting. :cheers:


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Re: Bucket O' Fungus - Possible Improvements to the Tek? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22268118 - 09/21/15 05:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you so much for the links and advice.

Another question... Do you get the same yields using multispore and coir/verm as you do using hpoo/straw and multi spore?

I am very comfortable with coir. I also have a really good source for loose coir, not the stuff in the bricks. Hpoo is a bit harder to get, but I found some on Craigslist. Any way, I am wondering if it is worth it to try hpoo.


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Re: Bucket O' Fungus - Possible Improvements to the Tek? [Re: TheKingofLimbs]
    #22268524 - 09/21/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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TheKingofLimbs said:
Another question... Do you get the same yields using multispore and coir/verm as you do using hpoo/straw and multi spore?




Hpoo will always be a better substrate. Better nutrients for the mycelium to grow on. Hpoo is much more prone to contamination and has to be properly pasteurized before being spawned to. Coir is highly contaminant resistant, and only has to be partially sterilized before being spawned to. If you've got coir down, why not try hpoo? Hpoo is a little harder, but a little more rewarding in the end too. :thumbup:

With all that said, I still use coir as my substrate. :cheers:


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Re: Bucket O' Fungus - Possible Improvements to the Tek? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22268533 - 09/21/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

dont do this




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Re: Bucket O' Fungus - Possible Improvements to the Tek? [Re: blackdust]
    #22270436 - 09/21/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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blackdust said:
dont do this




:lol:




I wont!


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Re: Bucket O' Fungus - Possible Improvements to the Tek? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22270493 - 09/21/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)




With all that said, I still use coir as my substrate. :cheers




Just because of the ease of use, or...? Do you have the same yields as coir? Do you add anything to your coir other than verm? Does better nutrients make a better sub?


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