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Ammonium Nitrate Prills
    #22264825 - 09/20/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Should they be outlawed??
Well??
You may choose only one


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22264850 - 09/20/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

don't know what that is


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: The Moose]
    #22264976 - 09/20/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's a highly explosive fertilizer


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Peachette]
    #22265071 - 09/20/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's one part of a four-part mix for a low-power explosive. Not high power fertilizer.

I was just wondering, since most people don't want their guns outlawed, and since I don't use guns, I use AN, is it fair to have one allowed and not the other?

How many people have been killed by guns?
How many people have been killed by AN?


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22265103 - 09/20/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Is there a big push for wanting AN outlawed? There are many different types of explosives, and it's honestly easy to make quite a few of them.

Explosives are easy to make, i mean have you ever heard of a pipe bomb?

I don't think guns should be made illegal either.


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Achillita]
    #22265140 - 09/20/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

only choose one theres def middle ground n idfk what ur taking bout


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22265280 - 09/20/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
only choose one theres def middle ground n idfk what ur taking bout




Middle ground? Like keeping guns but outlawing bullets?


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22265285 - 09/20/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i can turn ammonium nitrate into nitrous oxide fuck you op



nitrous forever, banning shit never. maybe ban op, since he wants to see something banned:ban:


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22265309 - 09/20/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Dude..

If you take ordinary table salt, dissolve it in water and pass a current through it the sodium chloride turns into sodium chlorate.

Sodium chlorate is the basic low and high explosive the IRA used to use back in the day. If you mix it with something combustible it burns like gunpowder when touched by a flame and explodes like dynamite if you rip a shockwave through it.

Should we outlaw salt, water and electricity now?

By the way, ammonium nitrate is made from air, water and electricity, but the process is far more involved.

We have billions of people to feed, we need fertilizers, and ammonium nitrate is a great one.


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Salomon]
    #22265314 - 09/20/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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i can turn ammonium nitrate into nitrous oxide fuck you op

nitrous forever, banning shit never. maybe ban op, since he wants to see something banned:ban:




Ah, yes... americans.

If you just pause for a brief moment... and re-read my posts... you'll see I'm arguing to KEEP guns AND ammonium nitrate available.

Idiot. Get off the gas.


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Asante]
    #22265331 - 09/20/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Dude..

If you take ordinary table salt, dissolve it in water and pass a current through it the sodium chloride turns into sodium chlorate.






and hydrogen gas :awesome:


salty salty boom boom


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22265376 - 09/20/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Arctic W. Fox said:
Quote:

Salomon said:
i can turn ammonium nitrate into nitrous oxide fuck you op

nitrous forever, banning shit never. maybe ban op, since he wants to see something banned:ban:




Ah, yes... americans.

If you just pause for a brief moment... and re-read my posts... you'll see I'm arguing to KEEP guns AND ammonium nitrate available.

Idiot. Get off the gas.




ok mr russia, i r such idiot american

many apology to for of you.

you needs youse some nitrous



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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Salomon]
    #22265396 - 09/20/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Salomon said:
Quote:

Asante said:
Dude..

If you take ordinary table salt, dissolve it in water and pass a current through it the sodium chloride turns into sodium chlorate.






and hydrogen gas :awesome:


salty salty boom boom





NaCl + 3 H2O ---> NaClO3 + 3 H2


:havesomescience:


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Asante]
    #22265504 - 09/20/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
Quote:

Salomon said:
Quote:

Asante said:
Dude..

If you take ordinary table salt, dissolve it in water and pass a current through it the sodium chloride turns into sodium chlorate.






and hydrogen gas :awesome:


salty salty boom boom





NaCl + 3 H2O ---> NaClO3 + 3 H2


:havesomescience:




yeeee



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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Salomon]
    #22265512 - 09/20/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

no of that even maters dewds break it down :facepalm:


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22265811 - 09/20/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lots of luck getting perchlorate out of that except perhaps in nano quantities. Its an unstable compound and will break down as fast as its formed.

AN on the other hand is considered high explosive. Or can be used to make low explosives.


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22265830 - 09/20/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm willin to bet whatever u jus said was nuffin but more stupid bulshit u guys got ne thing scary yet?


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22265848 - 09/20/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

makes "big" boom omg!!

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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22266347 - 09/20/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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AN on the other hand is considered high explosive.




Yes, when compared to a balloon.


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22266398 - 09/20/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Kids these days...

http://www.pyronfo.com/high-explosives

Talks about the high explosive AN and how its usually used.


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22266488 - 09/20/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't trust that page's information. It groups every single explosive I know as a high explosive.

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Quite simply, high explosives detonate. This means the “explosive shock front” occurs and passes through the explosive faster than the speed of sound. Velocity rates generally range from 3000 to 9000 meters per second.




Well, what explosive doesn't detonate? What explosive has a velocity of less than 3000m/s? Maybe hydrogen in air - "a fuel/air explosive" which is another "high explosive" according to that site, an accidental ignition according to me.

I suppose it could be how you look at it - I go off of velocity of the shockwave versus amount of weight of the explosive to do the same damage. I do not take into account the amount of power to originally initiate the detonation (an explosion to set off the explosive), though.

The Oklahoma bombing took over two tonnes of ANFO to do that damage. I'd guess it would take three pounds of HMX to have the same effect. AN is for blasting holes in roads and runways; HMX is for destroying buildings, bridges and vehicles.


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22266518 - 09/20/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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AN on the other hand is considered high explosive.




Yes, when compared to a balloon.




You know they use ammonium nitrate to simulate nuclear weapons now that testing nukes has been banned, right?


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: koods]
    #22266534 - 09/20/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You know they use ammonium nitrate to simulate nuclear weapons now that testing nukes has been banned, right?




I don't. That doesn't make any sense. Reference link(s)?

Last I heard, all nuclear detonation simulations were strictly done by supercomputers.


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22266755 - 09/20/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_Scale
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Minor Scale was a test conducted on June 27, 1985, by the United States Defense Nuclear Agency (now part of the Defense Threat Reduction Agency) involving the detonation of several thousand tons of conventional explosives to simulate the explosion of a small nuclear bomb. The purpose of the test was to evaluate the effect of nuclear blasts on various pieces of military hardware, particularly new, blast-hardened launchers for the Midgetman ballistic missile.[1]

The test took place at the Permanent High Explosive Testing Grounds (33.6201°N 106.4749°W) of the White Sands Missile Range in the state of New Mexico. 4.8 kilotons of ANFO explosive (ammonium nitrate and fuel oil),[2][3] equivalent to 4 kilotons of TNT,[4] were used to roughly simulate the effect of an eight kiloton air-burst nuclear device. With a total energy release of about 1.7 ×1013 joules (or 4.2 kilotons of TNT equivalent), Minor Scale was reported as "the largest planned conventional explosion in the history of the free world",[5] surpassing another large conventional explosion, the 'British Bang' disposal of ordnance on Heligoland in 1947, reported to have released 1.3 × 1013 joules of energy (about 3.2 kilotons of TNT equivalent).[6]




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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: koods]
    #22267201 - 09/20/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

4.8kt of ANFO for a 8kt simulated air-burst nuclear blast effect.

Yes, if I had ten million, five hundred and eighty two thousand, one hundred and eighty nine pounds of ANFO going off, I would expect people to think that was a high-power explosive.

But, the numbers are in the efficiency. So, still, in my mind, AN is nowhere close to being anything more then a glorified firecracker.



If I had 4.8 thousand metric tonnes of "nuclear bomb mass" (one tonne nuclear mass ≈ 6Mt explosive yield), the power for that would hover around 28 billion megatonnes.

Just for comparison:
Tsar Bomba (USSR) was just over 50 megatonnes.
Castle Bravo (largest United States nuclear bomb accident) was 15 Megatonnes.

It's been spoken that it would only take 800 Megatonnes to shake the entire planet Earth back to dust.

I'd be more than happy to consider that a high-power explosive, even if it doesn't, technically, "detonate". :smile:


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22267212 - 09/20/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They use anfo becasue it packs the most for its weight


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Re: Ammonium Nitrate Prills [Re: koods]
    #22267242 - 09/20/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah good luck outlawing an easy to manufacture fertilizer. It's essential to farming and producing crops. It will never be banned. If you didn't know it's monitored already.


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