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Suicide?
    #22263820 - 09/20/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Why do some people actually attempt suicide? I mean, is life really that fucking bad? I've been through some dark ass corners of life, abused physically and psychologically....lost all hope and in poverty, but it never seriously crossed my mind.

Why is it some folks try to go this route?


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Almond Flour] * 6
    #22263824 - 09/20/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Because life sucks.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Amanita86]
    #22263825 - 09/20/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

because some things appear to have no solution.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #22263826 - 09/20/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have noo idea either man. The people I know that did that shit, were very straight edge and in there teens. It is a mystery.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Amanita86]
    #22263832 - 09/20/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Amanita86 said:
Because life sucks.



Non sense, life is a bad ass adventure with everyone slowly rotting and trying to make sense of the madness. Enjoy this shit :rockon:


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #22263846 - 09/20/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Probably depends on the person.

The terminally ill pursue suicide because their daily life is defined by pain and they are simply waiting out the clock until their predicted death anyway.

Someone with a chemical imbalance and inadequate support may simply be unable to see any hope or brightness to life, or not even think to look for medical support and instead kill themselves.

Some people with years of depression under their belt may have had their brain re-wire itself to the point where they lose hope of things getting better as well.

Understanding suicide really does not seem to be a one-size-fits-all sort of scenario. :shrug:


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Tantrika]
    #22263851 - 09/20/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Because mental illness(eg, depression) is hard to cope with for a lot of people.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Oggy]
    #22263861 - 09/20/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I wanted to kill myself one time over this stupid girl I was in love with my freshman year who didn't love me back and if she wouldn't love me then there was no point in living.

I'm convinced I was mentally ill at that time in my life. I was seriously very sick. I'm happy that I've healed and would never think about stooping low to such a level like that ever again.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #22263863 - 09/20/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's hard to justify why some people commit suicide and others don't. Even though we've all seen pretty bad times, were all still here. There was something strong enough to remind us that our life is worth something, and our instincts pushed us to continue on. Think about how a person must feel when all basics instincts of survival are forgotten. How abused and tortured a life must be where living is a burden? I could never imagine it, but it sounds like the saddest and loneliest place to be on this earth. A lot of people believe their makers are waiting for them on the other side. Too many this is comforting, knowing there is a place for you somewhere.

Everyone has their own choice on this rock. I've had a few people I knew who offed themselves. It's tragic to say the least. But eerily, I respect their decisions, because I knew it was their choice. I wish I could have been the one to intervene and maybe change things. But I will never hold it against them in my memories, obviously there was a reasoning behind it, whatever it was, it was their choice, so it doesn't matter.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Almond Flour] * 6
    #22263877 - 09/20/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

because there's too many almond flour's and bitter cactus's in the world :thumbinator:


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #22263881 - 09/20/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My stepdad decided to blow a hole in his chest one night. I'd ask him why, but you know... he's dead.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: iSmkGrnBud] * 2
    #22263882 - 09/20/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Suicide is the end result of an illness that hasn't been treated. Just like cancer. Once it got its hooks deep enough into you, there is no cure and you die.

Live in misery long enough without hope and eventually the disease makes you take a gun a shoot yourself in the head. Suicide is the result of a wound that was left untreated for too long.

They say it's the coward's way out... I find that insulting. Is dying from alcoholic cirrhosis a coward's way out? Cause let's face it, you've avoided life by getting drunk for years and then died form it.

Then again, that's just my opinion


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Almond Flour] * 1
    #22263886 - 09/20/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Imagine that, every waking moment of your life, there's a million screaming voices in your head telling you you're worthless, ugly, fat, stupid, and a burden on the ones you love.  Imagine being at the grocery store and all of a sudden you start crying and can't stop.  Imagine reaching out for help because your emotions are overwhelming and having friends and loved ones tell you to "snap out of it".  Imagine doing everything you can to try to feel good, and nothing ever works.  Imagine being told "it gets better", but in reality, you've lost everything.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22263887 - 09/20/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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because there's too many almond flour's and bitter cactus's in the world :thumbinator:



:rofl:


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #22263889 - 09/20/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
because there's too many almond flour's and bitter cactus's in the world :thumbinator:



:rofl:



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Re: Suicide? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #22263898 - 09/20/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Why do some people actually attempt suicide? I mean, is life really that fucking bad? I've been through some dark ass corners of life, abused physically and psychologically....lost all hope and in poverty, but it never seriously crossed my mind.

Why is it some folks try to go this route?





Have you ever had one of those nights sleep where its just black. Peaceful black. Do you remember before you were born? Some people realize none of us ever asked to be brought into this realm of existence. Which has made me question myself whether or not I want children.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Tantrika]
    #22264135 - 09/20/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Some people with years of depression under their belt may have had their brain re-wire itself to the point where they lose hope of things getting better as well.





There was a study done at the University of South Florida where they induced PTSD in rats, then gave them psilocybin.  The rats that were dosed were able to overcome their PTSD, and very surprisingly, they also found new cell generation in their brains.

In the past 30 days, I've dosed twice with shrooms after a 3 year hiatus.  I gotta say, I feel better.  That overwhelming sense of "I must destroy myself" is tapering off, but not completely gone.

I'd love to see a study done on humans to see if psilocybin truly helps rewire human brains.  Let's face it, those antidepressants just really make you more depressed and kill your liver.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #22264155 - 09/20/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

makaveli8x8 said:
because there's too many almond flour's and bitter cactus's in the world :thumbinator:



:rofl:




:canthelpbutlaugh:


Stop lumping me and Almond Flour together tho. :slowreaction:


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22264401 - 09/20/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

People commit suicide because in their eyes it's easier to do than the life they live now.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Achillita]
    #22264434 - 09/20/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, that's the general idea.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Fletcher]
    #22264464 - 09/20/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

attention brah

apparently being connected in a group is the suicide limiter


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Re: Suicide? [Re: thelanzii]
    #22264477 - 09/20/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What?


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Fletcher]
    #22264504 - 09/20/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

the godfathers of sociology found that being part of something greater than yourself limits suicide rates significantly

people also do it for attention

some people don't have much to live for


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Re: Suicide? [Re: thelanzii]
    #22264516 - 09/20/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Did the godfathers of sociology contemplate that we may not exist outside of our own mind?  How can you be part of something greater than yourself when all that you are is the experience of your own consciousness?


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Re: Suicide? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #22264535 - 09/20/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

being a mammal connected to other mammals seems to be a consciousness experience that helps people not kill themselves

the study was between the two major religions at the time one had strong conformity and far less  suicides the other the opposite

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Re: Suicide? [Re: thelanzii]
    #22264544 - 09/20/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

But what if you can't feel that connection no matter how hard you try?  It gets complicated too when you mix in depression because it blunts your feelings.  You either feel sad, enraged, or absolutely nothing.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #22264587 - 09/20/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

its definitely not a foolproof method

community/interdepence is a trait of mammals

a kid who i thought was a major dick killed himself from my town a while back

he was typical jock tall priveleged white kid from a wealthy good home with a hot girlfriend

dude blew his head off at 22

i don't think its possible to fully explain the reasoning behind suicide though

everything is impermanent which has been my fallback dark times


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Almond Flour] * 1
    #22264738 - 09/20/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Almond Flour said:
Why do some people actually attempt suicide? I mean, is life really that fucking bad? I've been through some dark ass corners of life, abused physically and psychologically....lost all hope and in poverty, but it never seriously crossed my mind.

Why is it some folks try to go this route?




To get away from people like you.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: thelanzii]
    #22264767 - 09/20/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Nemmies said:
its definitely not a foolproof method

community/interdepence is a trait of mammals

a kid who i thought was a major dick killed himself from my town a while back

he was typical jock tall priveleged white kid from a wealthy good home with a hot girlfriend

dude blew his head off at 22

i don't think its possible to fully explain the reasoning behind suicide though

everything is impermanent which has been my fallback dark times




The rationale behind suicide is something you can't really understand unless you've walked down that dark path yourself.

Still we all have our own paths and I don't think anyone in this world is truly capable of understanding another human being completely.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #22267230 - 09/20/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
Quote:

Almond Flour said:
Why do some people actually attempt suicide? I mean, is life really that fucking bad? I've been through some dark ass corners of life, abused physically and psychologically....lost all hope and in poverty, but it never seriously crossed my mind.

Why is it some folks try to go this route?




To get away from people like you.



What do you mean by that? What is it about me that would cause someone to want to end it all?


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #22267363 - 09/20/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

People commit suicide because they perceive it as a solution. Usually there life is full of times where they can't find a solution for something and then they resort to finding their own solution, suicide.

I know alan watts has a long ass lecture on how suicide isn't ethically wrong and what not. I honestly didn't like it, considering I like almost all his work. Some speculate he killed himself too and by the way he praised it I wouldn't be surprised.

This kid we knew in high school shot himself in the heart because he got caught with a buncha rolls while on probation and then his girlfriend broke up with him. It was pretty sad but he came from a really shitty household and his mom didn't give two fucks about him. Actually tried to profit off his death by starting a shirt company. Pretty sad. His girlfriend was ruined for life because of that shit and last time I saw her was a mugshot of her doped the fuck up on heroin.

Suicide can really affect anyone. Look at Robin Williams dude was idolized and a millionaire. He had it all but he hung himself with a fucking belt. So fucked up. Dude was a comedic genius.

I really think depression and other mental illnesses play a huge part in suicide. I know alcoholics are really prone to suicide. The lack of inhibition and added gaba imbalance seems to push them over the edge.

If you ever see commercials for GABAergic drugs it almost always says increased risk of suicide as a side effect so it must have to be a GABA imbalance. Not going to lie I've had some weird feelings from etizolam but never did I come close to thinking about suicide.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Gorlax] * 1
    #22267393 - 09/20/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Depression and mental issues play a huge part in suicide? Go figure..

Alan Watts preyed on the minds of the weak and eventually drank himself to death, and Robin Williams had undiagnosed dementia.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #22267395 - 09/20/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just know, that sometimes enough is enough.  Count it a blessing you haven't yet been shown how to understand that yet at this point.

As far as Robin Williams goes, I hear he was also diagnosed with Parkinson's and I can't imagine anyone who has the knowledge of how that can play out, not at least considering suicide as a very serious option now at hand.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Amanita86]
    #22267407 - 09/20/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

*Lewy Body Dementia


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Fletcher]
    #22267419 - 09/20/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I know he was an alcoholic and was traumatized when John Belushi died partying with him. as far as him having parkinsons disease. Many alcoholics get misdiagnosed with this from withdrawals. They really don't have it the symptoms of withdrawal just mimic it.

He was a severely depressed alcoholic. I used to listen to him on the howard stern show all the time.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Gorlax]
    #22267428 - 09/20/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It thought he had been sober for awhile, removing a misdiagnosis from the equasion.  I'm sure given the history, it would be brought up with his doctor if he was sharply withdrawling from alcohol.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Gorlax]
    #22267433 - 09/20/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

LBD is much more complicated than Parkinson's. He was having hallucinations before he offed himself.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Fletcher]
    #22267442 - 09/20/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well if you ever came off benzos or alcohol you have hallucinations. When i quit the tiz I woke up and thought I kept hearing someone at my door and it was nothing. that shit really tripped me out.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Fletcher]
    #22267443 - 09/20/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

LBD, never heard of it.  I wasnt sure what you were saying there.  Is that what it was?


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #22267460 - 09/20/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Suicide? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #22267467 - 09/20/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Why do some people actually attempt suicide? I mean, is life really that fucking bad? I've been through some dark ass corners of life, abused physically and psychologically....lost all hope and in poverty, but it never seriously crossed my mind.

Why is it some folks try to go this route?




Sometimes rather then a choice it's the only logical option left

Like a person trapped in a building on fire on a high floor... They jump out of the window, not because they want to die but because it's the only option left


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Amanita86]
    #22267473 - 09/20/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, it was.  Look it up, man.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Beanhead]
    #22267485 - 09/20/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I watched a documentary on the people who jumped from the twin towers and it was fucked up. Not a single person who died that day was declared a suicide. Their death certificates all say they were murdered even if they jumped.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Fletcher]
    #22267521 - 09/20/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, it was.  Look it up, man.



Oh ok, I see what you're saying now... full circle..

..sad shit man.


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Gam zeh ya’avor...:sunny:


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #22267607 - 09/20/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Life is amazing in the sense that is can always get worse.
Had a friend do it. It's the most frustrating, torturous thing to wonder why they thought it couldn't get better, ask if you could've done more, hope they didn't regret it at the last second. My friend went via bullet to the head in a beautiful spot out in nature but I still think about that.

I've been super, duper depressed before. I've thought about suicide - not about doing it, I could never, ever do it due to something like depression - it would have to be dire circumstances like a situation where it was the quickest most painless way out of torture, a worse death, etc - but for some people, life is akin to that circumstance. I've felt that urge during the worst of it - not suicide so much as an urge to hurt myself, I had the presence of mind to know it was from medication and I could stop the meds, and it would all go away - but it's a frighteningly strong urge, not unlike the urge to drink, do drugs, or anything people try to drown the pain with. At one point I couldn't bear to be awake at all, and I took otc and rx'ed sleep meds throughout the day to keep me asleep - - for three days, getting up only to pee once or twice and drink a little bit of water. I've had obsessive intrusive thoughts and anxiety about everything bad I could ever think about, about all the death, the destruction, the inevitability of feeling hurt that every sentient creature will experience at one time or another. I literally couldn't stop the thoughts, there was 0 control it was like they weren't even coming from my conscious mind because I knew that I had to keep a grip on myself and that I'd get past it all.

It made me feel even more strongly about how completely unwilling I am to ever consider suicide, I know firsthand that it's so incredibly tragic and painful for family and friends, I just want to be happy and make other people happy(or at least not make them unhappy, if I can help it). Those rough times where I was so caught up in how horrible the world can be made me realize I didn't want to add to it, I don't ever want my loved ones to feel the way I have if I can help it.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #22267717 - 09/21/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wow that just reminded me of my friend who killed himself with allergy pills. I forgot all about that. This kid had problems since we were in elementary school then in the beginning of the year my friend asked if I heard about brayden and turned out he killed himself by taking a shit ton of allergy pills (i'm assuming benadryl).

He was a pretty heavy drug user but not sure what drugs he favored. I saw him randomly at the indian casino rolling balls or on meth couldn't even tell. It was fucking weird. Sad shit. he had a super good family too. his dad owns a few banks in california. fucked up way to kill yourself.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Gorlax]
    #22267756 - 09/21/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't even know you could OD on benadryl - that must've been a massive amount of it - I'm really sorry to hear that. Poor guy. Some people are just born with that kind of inner turmoil. I was, and it does feel like you're swimming upstream a lot of the time, but I've loved life to the fullest extent I ever could in the past and it was wonderful, I've been there before, I know I'll have to deal with this shit the rest of my life, but I also know I'll get there again. Everything is really starting to come together again, and I try to tell as many people who struggle with depression or mental illness that it gets better. It's chronic, but with work, it's managed like any other medical condition and you can live a full happy life.

Benadryl was definitely one of the things I used to keep myself asleep - I knew it wasn't healthy, but I never thought it could kill me, the rx's I used weren't narcotics, they were mild sleeping pills like trazadone or amyltripaline(sp) or something of that kind, and I only ever took amounts within approved treatment dosages, but I'd supplement with benadryl or nyquil, and tolerance happens fast, so I'd be doubling the original dose, but not beyond what the package said was safe(not taking into account mixing stuff).

I've been offered benzos by doctors during the bad times, and have a friend that'll give it away like candy, but I never let myself take anything beyond the above stuff - benzos are okay once in a while, but even during periods of high anxiety(let alone depression) it would just be way, way, way too easy for me to lock myself away forever and put myself in a mini-coma with benzos or more powerful sedatives. I just can't use those things more than once in a blue moon for recreational purposes, never therapeutic, never regularly - it would make me so much worse.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #22267784 - 09/21/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah you really have to take a lot to kill yourself. I know people try to trip off high doses so it's anyones guess if he was just trying to get high or kill himself.

I frequently used nyquil or benadryl for sleep. Then I randomly developed this side effect where the benadryl would give me crazy fucking restless legs if I took more then 2. I usually need like 3-4 to knock me out. I switched to doxyalamine which works better anyways. I ran out tho need to get some more. They sell it at costco in bottles of 96.

Yeah benzos are fucking trash. I do like them and that's why I despise them. Certain ones don't even make me tired. I finished my etizolam 2 weeks ago and I'm glad I ran out because I was at the point where I was just dosing and basically like you said putting myself into some coma like shell. That shit is really the devil. all my friends love it so they are always asking me to get some. Vicious cycle.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Fletcher]
    #22267811 - 09/21/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lose of interest in life. Its easy to get apathetic and not care, easy to find yourself surrounded or raised by people who make your life hell. When your life is empty of anything that brings you happiness anymore pulling the trigger is not a hard thing to do. We all die anyways.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22267823 - 09/21/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Suicide is painless...


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22267826 - 09/21/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Won't get into valhalla with that mentality.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #22267930 - 09/21/15 02:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They can imagine wanting to die. It never seriously crossed your mind. This is explained as a cognitive bias, a major cognitive barrier preventing most people from taking suicide seriously as a right, rather than classifying it as pathology.

See here:

http://theviewfromhell.blogspot.com/2008/04/compassion-motivation-and-cognitive.html


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Rocket] * 1
    #22267982 - 09/21/15 03:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

People who commit suicide don't actually want to die. It is an act of fatigue and desperation (usually). People with uncontrolled depression are in pain. Constantly. For many people, the intense pain they feel mentally translates into physical pain as well. Depression also affects your thinking, so you're not always thinking clearly. After living with this constant pain, people experience what is referred to as convoluted thinking and begin to see them and their depression and pain as one and the same. They assimilate the pain and truly believe that it is an integral part of them. It is them. At some point, for whatever reason, the person's ability to cope is overtaxed. They just want the pain to stop and today, they cannot push it aside and trudge on. They just want the pain to stop. They can't remember a time when their world wasn't pain. The person has assimilated that pain and depression, so they are one and the same. They just want the pain to stop. If the pain and the person are the same thing, what's the best way to end the pain? To end the person.

People who commit suicide don't want to die. They just want the intense dysphoria they feel constantly to stop.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22268019 - 09/21/15 03:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

“To Friends Who Have Also Considered Suicide”

It’s still a good idea.
Its exercise is discipline:
to remember to cross the street without looking,
to remember not to jump when the cars side-swipe,
to remember not to bother to have clothes cleaned,
to remember not to eat or want to eat,
to consider the numerous methods of killing oneself,
that is surely the finest exercise of the imagination:
death by drowning, sleeping pills, slashed wrists,
kitchen fumes, bullets through the brain or through
the stomach, hanging by the neck in attic or basement,
a clean frozen death—the ways are endless.
And consider the drama! It’s better than a whole season
at Stratford when you think of the emotion of your
family on hearing the news and when you imagine
how embarrassed some will be when the body is found.
One could furnish a whole chorus in a Greek play
with expletives and feel sneaky and omniscient
at the same time. But there’s no shame
in this concept of suicide.
It has concerned our best philosophers
and inspired some of the most popular
of our politicians and financiers.
Some people swim lakes, others climb flagpoles,
some join monasteries, but we, my friends,
who have considered suicide take our daily walk
with death and are not lonely.
In the end it brings more honesty and care
than all the democratic parliaments of tricks.
It is the ‘sickness unto death’; it is death;
it is not death; it is the sand from the beaches
of a hundred civilizations, the sand in the teeth
of death and barnacles our singing tongue:
and this is ‘life’ and we owe at least this much
contemplation to our western fact: to Rise,
Decline, Fall, to futility and larks,
to the bright crustaceans of the oversky.

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Re: Suicide? [Re: Beanhead]
    #22268245 - 09/21/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Beanhead said:
Quote:

Almond Flour said:
Why do some people actually attempt suicide? I mean, is life really that fucking bad? I've been through some dark ass corners of life, abused physically and psychologically....lost all hope and in poverty, but it never seriously crossed my mind.

Why is it some folks try to go this route?




Sometimes rather then a choice it's the only logical option left

Like a person trapped in a building on fire on a high floor... They jump out of the window, not because they want to die but because it's the only option left




Depression Too is a Type of Fire



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Re: Suicide? [Re: Tantrika]
    #22268272 - 09/21/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sometimes life is that bad, but most people are just weak ass cunts who don't appriciate how nice it is to not be in a pit of black timeless horror for eternity, which won't matter, because you don't exist now


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    #22268851 - 09/21/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've thought about it quite a bit.  I've even gone as far as to sit with a loaded pistol in my mouth just to see if I was ready to follow through.

My reasons are because I am a dreamer and a free thinker that has been shoehorned into spending almost every single day going somewhere I don't want to go and doing things I don't really want to do.  I will spend the best years of my life serving a social and economic system that I don't agree with or wish to support.  Yet it is imperative to have money in order to do much of anything in life.

My choices are, devote my life to this soulless corporation, that soulless corporation, or spend 18 hours a day ruining something that I love by turning it into a business that must be able to compete against giant soulless corporations.

Example:  "Yes, you really need that $3000 bicycle that I happen to have in inventory.  Much better than the $700 one that could serve you well for the rest of your life.  No, I cannot show you how to fix or adjust it.  That is my secret.  Just bring it back here and pay me to do what you could do in five minutes if you knew how."

Or, "By some miracle I actually had an idea that is useful.  Alas I can't just give it away so that everyone can use it and improve their life.  Nope, I must claim it as my own and then sell it to them while fighting to make sure nobody steals the idea that is mine because it happened to appear in my head and not somebody else's."

How does someone who's sole purpose in life is to challenge convention find a place within society?  I mean somebody has to challenge convention or else we will never have much new, but what happens when a person like me doesn't fall into some source of money that I can live with?

Then there is my wife.  I try to tell her that I am desperately unhappy, and she mocks me and calls me dramatic.  My family of course would side with her because in their eyes I am strange and would be best served by just being normal.  My employer requires that I be mentally sound on paper, so any mental illness would threaten the earning power that I do have.  Worrying about money would not make my life any better.

Hmm, what else?  How about working a blue collar job where you are supposed to suck it up and be tough.  Asking for help wouldn't really fly.  How about living in a rural area where mental health services are decades behind, if you can find them at all.

And then I think about what any "help" actually means.  "Help" means occasionally talking to someone about my feelings and then being medicated so that a can return to my place in service to corporate America.

"Dreaming of different ways of life son?  Don't be silly.  This is the way it is.  Just take these pills and get back to work.  Only a few more decades and then you can retire.  Make sure to help your children get an education so that they can also spend their lives doing thing they don't really want to do in order to keep stock prices up."

Or maybe "Life kind of sucks, isn't there any other way."

"Nope, but these pills will make you feel better about spending your life supporting a system that you don't believe in."

So near as I can figure, I have no way out.  I need money, so I must serve some soulless company in order to get it.  Nobody I know would support or help me do anything different.  My wife would fuck me over if I tried and then I could add not having money to my woes.  Getting help would probably also cost me my job since I have to be mentally fit on paper, so again the no money problem.  Even if I did get help it would only end up with me being drugged and then set back to finish my life's work of helping keep some company or another's stock price up.

So, yep, I've sat at the edge.  One click away from death, wouldn't even hear the shot since those particular rounds move faster than sound.

But here is something that I realized while sitting at the edge.  If you are at that point then you have nothing left to lose.  You might as well try anything.  Quit a job, ditch a wife, get in a car and drive away for a while, burn through a life savings.  Whatever.

At that point there is nothing left that you can lose.  There is nothing life can take that you aren't willing to throw away, so why not then try something, anything.  Take the gun, carefully package and hide it so that you can always come back for it, and then go take on the world.  Live boldly and without fear.  Do whatever the hell you damn well please.  Chase whatever seems to make you happy.  If it doesn't work out you can always come back and die later.

I suppose what you realize at the edge is that there is always some kind of option.  It may not make sense or seem sustainable, but logically you might as well at least try.  Nothing left to lose right?

Then why do people follow through?  Why don't they all see what some of us see at the edge?

To me I suspect social pressures play a huge role here.  Logically it makes sense to make some massive changes to life if that is what it takes.  Why not do something radical at that point?  Except that social pressures can prevent it.  "What would people think if I left my wife and kids and quit my job," someone might worry.  "Sure having me alive and distant is better than me being dead, but other people won't understand that choice, the reason that I had to make a radical life change.  They will not even believe that I was that close to pulling the trigger and may even belittle me over it."

Another factor is exhaustion.  If you've reached the end of your rope and can barely get through a routine day, how do you muster the energy to make radical life changes.  I guess that might be a good time to run away for a bit, grab a ton of cash and just go sleep in a hotel for two weeks or something before even trying to form a new life plan.

Mostly it is just that people see things only getting worse.  "Even if I were to make massive changes to my life I would only end up with the same problems, but less money."

In the end I'm not sure what to say about the topic.  Maybe that not everyone is cut out for spending their lives as working stiffs.  Maybe there are only so many slots for artists and dreamers and visionaries and when those slots are filled up in your corner of society you default to corporate servant.  That's a hard pill to swallow for people with hopes and dreams.

49 weeks serving the man, 3 to enjoy yourself, now back work another year.  Only a few more decades and your children and grandchildren will replace you in pursuit of the American dream.  Now we're really living!


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Mescalean]
    #22268969 - 09/21/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Mescalean said:


Some people realize none of us ever asked to be brought into this realm of existence. Which has made me question myself whether or not I want children.




This is one of the arguments to expound the philosophical position of antinatalism.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22269041 - 09/21/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

iSmkGrnBud said:

How abused and tortured a life must be where living is a burden?




Burden is always a direct and immediate object of living. You cannot have one without the other.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Fletcher]
    #22270870 - 09/21/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Fletcher said:
Suicide is painless...



It brings on many changes...


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Re: Suicide? [Re: lowbrow]
    #22271044 - 09/21/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Mike Altman, a 14 year old, wrote the lyrics to that song.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: Fletcher] * 1
    #22271056 - 09/21/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It must suck to be mentally tortured by catholic ideology and know there is no escape except a natural death.


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Re: Suicide? [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #22272277 - 09/22/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

AllGreyThumbs said:
I've thought about it quite a bit.  I've even gone as far as to sit with a loaded pistol in my mouth just to see if I was ready to follow through.

My reasons are because I am a dreamer and a free thinker that has been shoehorned into spending almost every single day going somewhere I don't want to go and doing things I don't really want to do.  I will spend the best years of my life serving a social and economic system that I don't agree with or wish to support.  Yet it is imperative to have money in order to do much of anything in life.

My choices are, devote my life to this soulless corporation, that soulless corporation, or spend 18 hours a day ruining something that I love by turning it into a business that must be able to compete against giant soulless corporations.

Example:  "Yes, you really need that $3000 bicycle that I happen to have in inventory.  Much better than the $700 one that could serve you well for the rest of your life.  No, I cannot show you how to fix or adjust it.  That is my secret.  Just bring it back here and pay me to do what you could do in five minutes if you knew how."

Or, "By some miracle I actually had an idea that is useful.  Alas I can't just give it away so that everyone can use it and improve their life.  Nope, I must claim it as my own and then sell it to them while fighting to make sure nobody steals the idea that is mine because it happened to appear in my head and not somebody else's."

How does someone who's sole purpose in life is to challenge convention find a place within society?  I mean somebody has to challenge convention or else we will never have much new, but what happens when a person like me doesn't fall into some source of money that I can live with?

Then there is my wife.  I try to tell her that I am desperately unhappy, and she mocks me and calls me dramatic.  My family of course would side with her because in their eyes I am strange and would be best served by just being normal.  My employer requires that I be mentally sound on paper, so any mental illness would threaten the earning power that I do have.  Worrying about money would not make my life any better.

Hmm, what else?  How about working a blue collar job where you are supposed to suck it up and be tough.  Asking for help wouldn't really fly.  How about living in a rural area where mental health services are decades behind, if you can find them at all.

And then I think about what any "help" actually means.  "Help" means occasionally talking to someone about my feelings and then being medicated so that a can return to my place in service to corporate America.

"Dreaming of different ways of life son?  Don't be silly.  This is the way it is.  Just take these pills and get back to work.  Only a few more decades and then you can retire.  Make sure to help your children get an education so that they can also spend their lives doing thing they don't really want to do in order to keep stock prices up."

Or maybe "Life kind of sucks, isn't there any other way."

"Nope, but these pills will make you feel better about spending your life supporting a system that you don't believe in."

So near as I can figure, I have no way out.  I need money, so I must serve some soulless company in order to get it.  Nobody I know would support or help me do anything different.  My wife would fuck me over if I tried and then I could add not having money to my woes.  Getting help would probably also cost me my job since I have to be mentally fit on paper, so again the no money problem.  Even if I did get help it would only end up with me being drugged and then set back to finish my life's work of helping keep some company or another's stock price up.

So, yep, I've sat at the edge.  One click away from death, wouldn't even hear the shot since those particular rounds move faster than sound.

But here is something that I realized while sitting at the edge.  If you are at that point then you have nothing left to lose.  You might as well try anything.  Quit a job, ditch a wife, get in a car and drive away for a while, burn through a life savings.  Whatever.

At that point there is nothing left that you can lose.  There is nothing life can take that you aren't willing to throw away, so why not then try something, anything.  Take the gun, carefully package and hide it so that you can always come back for it, and then go take on the world.  Live boldly and without fear.  Do whatever the hell you damn well please.  Chase whatever seems to make you happy.  If it doesn't work out you can always come back and die later.

I suppose what you realize at the edge is that there is always some kind of option.  It may not make sense or seem sustainable, but logically you might as well at least try.  Nothing left to lose right?

Then why do people follow through?  Why don't they all see what some of us see at the edge?

To me I suspect social pressures play a huge role here.  Logically it makes sense to make some massive changes to life if that is what it takes.  Why not do something radical at that point?  Except that social pressures can prevent it.  "What would people think if I left my wife and kids and quit my job," someone might worry.  "Sure having me alive and distant is better than me being dead, but other people won't understand that choice, the reason that I had to make a radical life change.  They will not even believe that I was that close to pulling the trigger and may even belittle me over it."

Another factor is exhaustion.  If you've reached the end of your rope and can barely get through a routine day, how do you muster the energy to make radical life changes.  I guess that might be a good time to run away for a bit, grab a ton of cash and just go sleep in a hotel for two weeks or something before even trying to form a new life plan.

Mostly it is just that people see things only getting worse.  "Even if I were to make massive changes to my life I would only end up with the same problems, but less money."

In the end I'm not sure what to say about the topic.  Maybe that not everyone is cut out for spending their lives as working stiffs.  Maybe there are only so many slots for artists and dreamers and visionaries and when those slots are filled up in your corner of society you default to corporate servant.  That's a hard pill to swallow for people with hopes and dreams.

49 weeks serving the man, 3 to enjoy yourself, now back work another year.  Only a few more decades and your children and grandchildren will replace you in pursuit of the American dream.  Now we're really living!



The thing is, as long as you beath hope does exist in every moment. The world is aweful, and it is uNderstamdable to want to leave it because, holy fickmot is aweful. Thinhs may not improve. You can only try to fimd the crack to slip through to become one with your true self. Once you die, well, that is that.
Personally, as a depressed person who agrees about the garbage human systems, but I would rather live and battle my depression amd reasonable complaints about how fucking aweful this aweful world is, then give up now, because death will come. It only seems like it will take forever, wjen once it is upon you, it will seem as though it always had been. As every moment does to the last


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Re: Suicide? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22272883 - 09/22/15 07:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There's no point in life especially when you realize that life is just one big fucking cosmic joke. Since we never really die, it's perfectly fine to hit the reset button.


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