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Missing / black color on the caps
    #22263298 - 09/20/15 02:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hi I've been reading a lot about cultivation of shrooms, and next time I will definitely make
My own cakes! Been reading as much as I've could, and seen as much videos as I could.
So I wanted to try a grow kit, before starting in larger scale. I have tried shrooms and lsd many times, and are my favorite psychoactives!

Well after the pins started appearing, I thought they were looking a little wierd, very white.
Now they have turned grey'ish/black, and I can't really figure out if I have to throw them away, or they are good to go.

It is McKennaii type of shrooms.

I know your not found of grow kits, and I guess I know why.
Hopefully you will take a look at the pictures and give me your opinion.:smile:
- I have tried looking at the contamination page. But I can't really decide wether they are contaminated or not.

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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: dontbringitdown]
    #22263331 - 09/20/15 02:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe the humidity have been too high?
But I don't think they look like something I wanna eat. And I think that the white thing is mold right ?
I can't wipe it off though.
Would you toss it out ? It wait to See what's happening?



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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: dontbringitdown]
    #22263347 - 09/20/15 02:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

aborts

humidity too high isn't a problem unless water comes in direct contact


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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: micro]
    #22263355 - 09/20/15 02:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Aborts = throw them out?
Nothing I can do?


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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: dontbringitdown]
    #22263415 - 09/20/15 03:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You may have a case of some bacteria or vert, but probably a bacteria. Increase FAE(fan more), it'll help knock it back so you can finish this flush and maybe even get more than this.

I'd dry and eat those, if it makes you feel any better. I've eaten worse.


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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: dontbringitdown]
    #22264197 - 09/20/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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dontbringitdown said:
Aborts = throw them out?
Nothing I can do?




You can pick them... Otherwise they'll likely die.

I don't think this is bacteria; I think they are aborted fruitbodies.


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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: micro]
    #22265447 - 09/20/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think they're aborts. Fruits don't *usually* abort once they're that big, and they're not bluing like an abort would.

See that red/orange/brown rust looking shit all over the caps? That has bacteria written all over it.


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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #22265515 - 09/20/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

ABORTS

fruits don't usually get bacteria if they are alive

what kind of bacteria only affects the caps (and the entire cap, all at once) ???

orange is the normal colour of the mushroom caps

also, the other ones aren't done growing -- it's a close-up


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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: micro]
    #22265846 - 09/20/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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fruits don't usually get bacteria if they are alive



Untrue. Fruits can get bacteria if they're alive, especially if FAE is low and moisture is high. I've seen it first hand, and seen it on the forums many many times.

Quote:

what kind of bacteria only affects the caps (and the entire cap, all at once) ???



Bacterial blotch, for one. Not that I think that is what is infecting the OP's fruits though. There are quite a few species of bacteria that can effect mushroom fruits, and they don't all present the same way.

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orange is the normal colour of the mushroom caps



Those fruits are leucistic(lacking pigment), I'm assuming Albino A+ variet. So no, brown is not the normal color of a leucistic varieties caps.


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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: micro]
    #22265973 - 09/20/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Untrue. Fruits can get bacteria if they're alive, especially if FAE is low and moisture is high. I've seen it first hand, and seen it on the forums many many times.




Hence the "usually."

Quote:

Bacterial blotch, for one.




Uniformly on every cap?

re: color / strain:

Quote:

It is McKennaii type of shrooms.




Not albino -- they are supposed to be orange.


Well, there's an easy way to figure this out for sure.

When the OP gets back we can find out if a foul odor is present

I'd be surprised but I just noticed -- last pic on the bottom-left.

Missed that before.


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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: micro]
    #22266003 - 09/20/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They definitely look leucistic to me, and it's not uncommon for grow kit sellers to just send whatever strain. :shrug:

I guess time will tell, hopefully OP keeps us updated cause I'm curious.

Not all bacteria has a smell. I've had fruits covered in bacteria that smelled fine.


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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #22266048 - 09/20/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

maybe they were aborts =P

lol, j/k

but if it's blotch and affecting the entire thing like that you should really be able to


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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: micro]
    #22266088 - 09/20/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

looks like maybe your sub was too wet?


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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: cronicr]
    #22266096 - 09/20/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Large drops of water could very well have caused this...

Like from a spray bottle for example.


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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: micro]
    #22266117 - 09/20/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yeah i see some caps that had water droplets sitting on them as well


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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: cronicr]
    #22268145 - 09/21/15 06:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting debate.

I haven't used a spray, instead I filled the bottom of the bag with water. Mainly because I was afraid of spraying water in the bag. And some post on shroomery suggested doing so(before I made a profile, Id rather read than start asking questions right away)

That's also why I thought the humidity was too high, because I could see large drops on the side of the bag, and they would/could likely fall on the mushrooms.

Some of them are aborting, you can tell by the picture from today.

And yes they look rather rusty :/ and the white thingy looks like mold.

Also there are no smell actually. Nothing like sour feet, or rotten smell, not even earthy odour.
But they are growing strangely, not like I have seen when I've researched.


I really appreciate that you are taking time to reply, and not flaming me.


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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #22268159 - 09/21/15 06:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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They definitely look leucistic to me, and it's not uncommon for grow kit sellers to just send whatever strain.




There was nothing on the box telling what strain it was, so you could be right and that one!


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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: dontbringitdown]
    #22268292 - 09/21/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I still say aborts.

When you have a lot of water like that it could just be tomentose growth you see, and generally the mycelium would try to take the aborts back. So, you might see the mushroom mycelium growing on them. Probably best to get picked though.

The water could definitely cause that but lots of humidity isn't bad. Standing water is, if there is any. You might want to think about a terrarium or just a plastic box to case it in. I used a spray bottle with those but I sprayed the sides and since there was plastic/saran wrap on top condensation was never that bad that it would risk falling on the fruitbodies..

It doesn't sound like contamination to me *yet* but definitely suboptimal growing conditions which can lead to it.


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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: micro]
    #22268432 - 09/21/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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micro said:
I still say aborts.

When you have a lot of water like that it could just be tomentose growth you see, and generally the mycelium would try to take the aborts back. So, you might see the mushroom mycelium growing on them. Probably best to get picked though.

The water could definitely cause that but lots of humidity isn't bad. Standing water is, if there is any. You might want to think about a terrarium or just a plastic box to case it in. I used a spray bottle with those but I sprayed the sides and since there was plastic/saran wrap on top condensation was never that bad that it would risk falling on the fruitbodies..

It doesn't sound like contamination to me *yet* but definitely suboptimal growing conditions which can lead to it.




I will go buy a bed roller asap. And pick all the bad ones.
Would you still be comfy eating them? Or do you think I will get sick/poisoned ?
I've eaten shrooms many times, but i have never tried cultivating them.


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Re: Missing / black color on the caps [Re: dontbringitdown]
    #22268445 - 09/21/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You want something plastic and air tight... or glass, just no wood.

I'd eat them but that's just me.

You really gotta decide for yourself.

Bacterial infections generally are given away by a scent.

Most bacteria is quite innocuous anyway.

Oh and aborts usually have a good amount of psilocybin too.


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