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Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed.
#22261888 - 09/19/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello my fellow peoples. I am hear for a simple question really. Recently AFOAF bought Kaytee WBS and was wondering if this type and these ingredients look okay.


This is what was purchased. I am wondering if someone could point me toward a tek for prepping this for the pressure cooker. I have read that this may have cracked corn and AFOAF would like to do it right the first time instead of having to keep coming back on here and asking more annoying questions.
Any advice and tips given are very appreciated.
I also want you all to know that AFOAF is starting a mini mono that recently was put together, that is what these are for. Finally has all the materials and would like to get a start on things as soon as possible.
Btw I have looked it up in the search bar and I just dont trust many of the results so I would like feedback instead of just reading it was done right.
Edited by EntheoGod (09/19/15 08:17 PM)
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: EntheoGod]
#22261925 - 09/19/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Buy Oats. http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/producers-pride-oats-50-lb
Follow this or any of the many oat prep teks here on this forum http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21121313/fpart/all/vc/1
oats are easy for beginners.
Edit: Also check this out if you don't have nearby tractor supplies you can order oats from this site https://hancockseed.com/bob-oats-seed-50-lb-bag-655.html
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: saintburger]
#22262222 - 09/19/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for trying but not a beginner when it comes to this just when it comes to bird seed. Never done oats, but definitely ready to do bird seed.
I was looking for an answer to the question I put forth. Thank you though.
However. I will definitely look into oats as well.
Edited by EntheoGod (09/19/15 09:24 PM)
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: EntheoGod]
#22262250 - 09/19/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22262282 - 09/19/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It says that it has cracked corn I have read that I should take special care of it because of that. Is there anything you would tell a beginner about the prepping of seed with cracked corn in it? Where are the points in which most people mess up with this and how can I prevent that.
I read through your prep for the seed, thanks for that information.
Going to prep it soon.
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: EntheoGod]
#22262549 - 09/19/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cracked corn is fine. A lot of cracked corn may make the WBS a little bit sticky, but other than that it won't effect anything. You can leave it in or take it out, I prefer to take it out.
Moisture content is the hardest part of prepping WBS imo. You want to get the grains fat and plump, filled with as much water as possible, but not so plump that they burst while PCing. You also don't want a lot of moisture on the surface of the grains before loading into your jars. This can over-saturate your jars, make sure to toiler paper test the WBS before loading.
Let us know how things go.
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22262701 - 09/19/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you so much for being as helpful as you are right now.
I will probably follow the tek you posted on here or franks tek I was looking at it too. I was worried that the cracked corn would cause some major problems but its good to know that it wont. I plan on starting most of the stuff tuesday. I already built the mini mono tub. Only thing I need now is the poly fill which I will be ordering very soon. I wont need that for a while anyway though.
Just got to put a liner in the tub and let the grains colonize, make my substrate and fill the tub holes with poly fill.
Thanks for the positive vibes!
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: EntheoGod]
#22262776 - 09/19/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most stores have polyfill in craft section, if not it is the stuff inside pillows or stuffed animals, that will save you the wait time and shipping cost.
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: NDStepp84]
#22263717 - 09/20/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nothing wrong with using a pillow's polyfil, you're gonna have to PC it all to sterilize it anyways. 
If I were you I'd wait a bit before making a liner and getting your substrate, save a little bit of cash now. Those jars are gonna take a bit of time to colonize.
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: EntheoGod]
#22263749 - 09/20/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
EntheoGod said: It says that it has cracked corn I have read that I should take special care of it because of that. Is there anything you would tell a beginner about the prepping of seed with cracked corn in it? Where are the points in which most people mess up with this and how can I prevent that.
I read through your prep for the seed, thanks for that information.
Going to prep it soon.
Yeah the brands that went to 'grain products' as the main ingredient have LOTS of cracked corn now. A few whole kernels is no big deal but all that cracked corn might be a little tricky for a beginner. The middle of the kernel is where all the starch is and its exposed when you soak/boil/PC which could make for a big mess if you have your moisture off.
If you can't source anything else it will work, just dry it for like an extra 30-45 mins
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: Bugler Boy]
#22274215 - 09/22/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, just got to the soaking part of the wbs teks. I am allowing it to soak in 2 spare quart jars so I can pay attention to the amount of water being soaked up. Here is what it looks like:

Is this okay for me to do? As far as I understand I am suppose to wait for these to soak for roughly 12 -24 hours. Then get them poured out over into a pot to simmer or I can take them straight from the soak to other quart jars for PC'ing.
I have yet to drill any holes in the lid for the quart jars. I am lacking poly fill right now. What exactly is the point of the polyfill? Could I substitute and instead of poly fill drill a tiny hole in the lid of one of the quart jars and cover it with a coffee filter and aluminum foil before placing them in the PC and just inoculate through the filter and foil then simply put another foil on top. Would that work?
Also if anyone is willing to read this far into my post is there anything special to inoculating the quart jars with a MS syringe or do I simply inoculate through that one hole and then shake decently to spread the spores?
Sorry for all the questions I just think I would rather ask questions than screw up.
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: EntheoGod]
#22274337 - 09/22/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sacrifice a pillow or stuffed animal for polyfill, cover with foil, PC then inject through polyfill but do not shake afterwards
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: NDStepp84]
#22274397 - 09/22/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
NDStepp84 said: Sacrifice a pillow or stuffed animal for polyfill, cover with foil, PC then inject through polyfill but do not shake afterwards
Should I drill a single 1/4' hole in the top of the quart jar?
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: EntheoGod]
#22274432 - 09/22/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: NDStepp84]
#22274498 - 09/22/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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How do you know the polyfill is clean? Does the PC'ing make the polyfill sterile?
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: EntheoGod]
#22274503 - 09/22/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: NDStepp84]
#22274517 - 09/22/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gotcha. I am thinking about writing up a log with all that I do with my WBS and how everything goes in order to get feedback from those on here that know more about this.
Do you think that would be a good idea? I want feedback on all that I am doing so I know I am doing it properly. Although I will admit its beginning to feel how I did toward BRF tek I got so use to it that it didnt feel difficult at all but in the beginning when I first tried doing it. I felt like I was going to mess up around every corner...and believe me...i did..
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: EntheoGod]
#22274587 - 09/22/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've been wanting to start a journal for a while myself but I am lazy and haven't got around to it I would be interested in checking it out Yeah I know what you are saying, my first cakes I was a nervous wreck, couldn't get the plastic piece to unscrew, syringe kept clogging Luckily I had read that flaming helps and once I had to pull back on the plunger but I did it in the flame. I was worried but it was a success. No better teacher than experience.
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: NDStepp84]
#22276478 - 09/22/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am thinking about using the dehydrator top placed on top of a cake pan to dry the seed before placing in jars for pressure cooking.
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Re: Kaytee WBS Question. First attempt at bird seed. [Re: EntheoGod]
#22277239 - 09/23/15 01:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just finished Pc'ing the jars only did 2 quarts so now i am just waiting until tomorrow morning to inoculate them via spore syringe.
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