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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: Imthepoop]
    #22295751 - 09/26/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

sure is.
if you dunk and roll your cakes, you don't have to mist until you see pins., the dunk hydrates enough to support the pinset.


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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: Imthepoop]
    #22295761 - 09/26/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's possible, but I doubt it, they don't look waterlogged to me.
You are doing all the right things, I think now it's just a matter of patience. But it's nice to have someone ease your mind. If you have any questions ask anytime, that's why we are all here. And when you get ready to step up to bulk (if that's your next step) ...check this out...

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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: Darkhome]
    #22295982 - 09/26/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I thought even with dunk and roll u had to mist several times a day atleast til u saw pins. So then if I do mist i dnt have to mist much because they already hydrated enough?


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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: Imthepoop] * 1
    #22296012 - 09/26/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Your not really hydrating pf cakes when you mist so much as keeping surface evaporation happening...the water inside from the dunk is what actually hydrates the cakes


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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: Imthepoop]
    #22296037 - 09/26/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

if they get dry dry mist them but I personally think most people over mist rather than under mist. you'll really just have to get a feel for it with practice but back when I did cakes it was wisconsin winter my place was 65F on average and it was quite dry. with a SGFC they'll pin even if you go on vacation for a few days after birthing cakes. I find the moisture from the dunk will support the initial pinset then you can maintain the moisture by misting or better yet just bottom water them a couple times a week by putting them in a saucer of water for a few hours. as long as the cakes are not dry dry on the surface you're good to go. shrooms are some 90% water so after the pins develop you'll need to hydrate them some way


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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: Imthepoop]
    #22296046 - 09/26/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Honestly, this might not be an easy answer, but the truth is this:
You mist when it's dry and fan after to promote pinning.
The dunk and roll provides a tiny casing layer that keeps the humidity up at the surfaces of your cakes. IME I still had to mist...I think it really depends on where you live and the ambient RH and temperature.
But in conclusion, mist until cake glistens, but no pooling water, fan after, I then would spray a few squirts from my fine mist bottle in the air and shut your SGFC. Repeat at least a few times a day, your experience may be more or less. If it looks dry or starts to blue, mist more, if you see alot of "fuzzy feet" fan more. You will find a balance that works for you.
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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: Darkhome]
    #22296065 - 09/26/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

fanning doesn't promote pinning, you don't have to fan at all. it's extremely over emphasized. the sole purpose of fanning is to relive the mist droplets from the air after you mist your cakes so the SGFC goes back to normal function faster. you can entirely skip the 2 second fan with the lid (which most noobs exaggerate to 20+ seconds for some reason) and everything will be just fine. 

the only RH that matters is the RH within a few millimeters from the surface of the cake. which is provided by the roll in verm. the RH in the chamber can be lower than 50% regularly and that's a-ok

in all honesty though you can do everything a little bit wrong and they'll grow just fine. that's why there's so much shit advice. like thinking a misty fog in your FC is a good thing. just because they grew for someone who fanned relentlessly doesn't mean the fanning is the winning strategy. cubes are the weeds of mushrooms they will do everything to pin and grow.


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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22296092 - 09/26/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My bad.. I guess I meant that I fanned to trigger evaporation, which in turn helps trigger pinning... Just trying to help, but I don't always articulate things well...I'm just speaking from my own experience, but
Bodhisatta knows what he is talking about... I would listen to him above me anyway.


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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: Darkhome]
    #22296113 - 09/26/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

if I seem asshole today it's the beers. :lol:


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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22296127 - 09/26/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's OK bro... I'm more than a little sideways myself... I don't mind being corrected ...it makes me better... I know stuff, its just hard for me to communicate exactly what I mean...lol


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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: Darkhome]
    #22296460 - 09/26/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I wondered if I really needed to fan and mist... Well mist i can understand but fanning seems a little weird cuz idk how a cple seconds of fanning can't possibly be that much different than just taking the lid off while u mist... Thats letting the air exchange happen anyway. The room I grow in is small about 75 degrees humidity between 60-70. The room is usually pretty dry so I have a cool mist running 24/7. Everytime I mist i always think about them growing in their natural habitat and do they get sprinkled on then all of a sudden a light gust of wind comes through to start evaporation? They aren't pampered in the wild yet I understand we are trying to recreate the wild with the chamber. I'd be really curious to see if with just dunk abd roll 6500k light a sgfc made per Tek without misting and fanning at all or maybe misting once a week,what would happen. Would they still grow but at a slower rate? Do I really need to be misting and fanning them 3-4xs a day since I dunked and rolled them?  You're definitely correct about all the bad or outdated info on here and everywhere else. The info i did find on here was very helpful to get me where I am today, but alot of hassles could have been avoided like incubators and colonizing in complete darkness at 83 degrees then consolidate in 70degrees indirect light or in a cabinet etc. It's a pain trying to find rooms in your house to accommodate these temps. Also if your comfortable then the mushies are..  Well I hate humidity and I like my house cold.. Thats comfortable to me. Everyone differs obviously. Just needs to be like point blank while jars are colonizing keep them at X temp min X temp max. Let them colonize until you see pinning,or birth a week or 2 weeks after 100% colonization before pinning starts(again a huge area of mixed info)then birth,rinse,dunk 24hrs,rinse again or don't idk, sterilize verm in oven before rolling or don't roll at all,if u do roll, after u put in sgfc wait an hour before u mist so verm don't fall off then mist and fan 4-6 times a day til pinning if they didn't pin in jars. Also if fae is what triggers pinning then how do they pin in the jars? We don't fan the jars. Yea they are moist from the 1st stage,and they stay moist even a month or more down the road atleast the outside of substrate while in jars. I used jars with filter on one side and self healing injection site. So one wld think after dunk and roll they wld be nice and hydrated,mist them if they indeed need to be moist on the outside as well put the lid on and let em go. If it's true that as long as sgfc is built to Tek specs then the holes wld be doing all work with fae and humidity. I haven't even begun the questions on fruiting lol. When the "best" time to harvest is. I've read smaller the better *cough* lol, also that the aborts are edible and very potent.. So if your not really looking for how much weight you can get out of grows but the best time to harvest when they are in the prime stage of potency or no matter how big or small they are it's all the same? Sorry I was rambling. Lol. Im just inquisitive.


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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: Imthepoop]
    #22298019 - 09/27/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I must have scared everyone off with my novel lol.


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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: Imthepoop]
    #22298042 - 09/27/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Walls of text can have that effect yes.  Got a TL:DR/cliffnotes version of the important questions?

The "best" time to harvest is when you're pulling the most actives out of your substrate for the given work put in, and that remains to be "right before the veil breaks".

Chances are based on the unformatted nature of your paragraph there, you were probably overthinking things to begin with.  That happens. :shrug:


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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: Imthepoop]
    #22298205 - 09/27/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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1. i always think about them growing in their natural habitat and do they get sprinkled on then all of a sudden a light gust of wind comes through to start evaporation? They aren't pampered in the wild yet I understand we are trying to recreate the wild with the chamber.

2. I'd be really curious to see if with just dunk abd roll 6500k light a sgfc made per Tek without misting and fanning at all or maybe misting once a week,what would happen. Would they still grow but at a slower rate? Do I really need to be misting and fanning them 3-4xs a day since I dunked and rolled them?

3. You're definitely correct about all the bad or outdated info on here and everywhere else.

4.  Let them colonize until you see pinning,or birth a week or 2 weeks after 100% colonization before pinning starts(again a huge area of mixed info)then birth,rinse,dunk 24hrs,rinse again or don't idk, sterilize verm in oven before rolling or don't roll at all,if u do roll, after u put in sgfc wait an hour before u mist so verm don't fall off then mist and fan 4-6 times a day til pinning if they didn't pin in jars.

5. Also if fae is what triggers pinning then how do they pin in the jars?
So one wld think after dunk and roll they wld be nice and hydrated,mist them if they indeed need to be moist on the outside as well put the lid on and let em go.

6.  If it's true that as long as sgfc is built to Tek specs then the holes wld be doing all work with fae and humidity.

7. I haven't even begun the questions on fruiting lol. When the "best" time to harvest is. I've read smaller the better *cough* lol, also that the aborts are edible and very potent.. So if your not really looking for how much weight you can get out of grows but the best time to harvest when they are in the prime stage of potency or no matter how big or small they are it's all the same? Sorry I was rambling. Lol. Im just inquisitive.




1. technically we are not recreating the wild. we are recreating the optimum environment for them to flourish. we provide better enviro.

2. with a properly built sgfc your wouldnt need to fan really but its best to contnue mistingvery lightly. and fanning is still an encouraged action


3. out dated for sure. i was  gone a couple years and i come back and half the shit i thought i knew is wrong. mycology is still a very young, unperfected, under deeloped field of science. so we are constantly discovering new methods and techniques. but thats what makes it so exciting. lots of potential.

4-5 always let your cakes consolidate for a week. one of the few reasons they pin in jars is that they have a good microclimate(high humidity and CO2) but a major pinning trigger besides FAE is full colonization of the substrate material. my assumption is the mycelium reaches full colonization and says to itself (uh oh! i dont have anymore food and i cant reach out and find any.) so instead of reaching with mycelial arms, it pops mushrooms puts spores on the wind, which find the food the locationally static mycelium cant.

6. for the most part yes. but we mist so as to replenish water lost in evaporation and mushroom production. since water is what they're 90% made of we need to give them all they can. and misting provides surface water to evaporate that would otherwise come from INSIDE the mycelium/substrate itself. thus ensuring more water for mushies.

7. the best time to haarvest(which is still up to personal preferance and debate), is right as the veil of the mushrooms starts to break. at that point(suppoedly) production of active compounds begins to slow(still a debated subject) and mostly water weight is justt being added. whichwill be lost wen drying and wont add to the dry weight so thats water that could have fed more enderdeveloped mushrooms. also people dont want spores all over their shit. lol

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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: aerow.thefox]
    #22298288 - 09/27/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22298404 - 09/27/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lol probably... It was like 2am..possibly stoned...


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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22298414 - 09/27/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This was awesome thank you :smile: you rock!


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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: Imthepoop]
    #22311768 - 09/30/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So my pins are coming in pretty good. Some like clustered. How much water is enough? When I think "mist" it's maybe 5 trigger pulls on a mist setting. Is that enough a few times a day? All 5 GT and pinning great. Still nothing from PE which is frustrating. I noticed he dries up before the others also,  maybe not dries per say but absorbs it quicker or it evaporates quicker IDK. He was birthed same time others were. He is slowly getting the white coating before they pin,  or atleast my other ones did. But my goodness slow as molasses lol. Ive read also like 5 days after pinning you should have fruits to harvest? Well I dnt think that'll be the case for me so what am I doing wrong?  The pink and coming in fast but the growth from there seems to slow.


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Re: Is this single Brf cake chamber OK? [Re: Imthepoop]
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