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    #22259789 - 09/19/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

so i've been in school for quite some time now. long story short, i'm a former tradesman who is working on life #2 after an absolutely devastating divorce. i'm a non-traditional student; i'm older (37) and i work a full-time job. the combination of a lot of life happening to me and the demands of being a responsible adult has slowed my academic progress. at this point i am seriously considering moving into a higher paying day job and taking a couple of years off before i come back to finish earning my degree. i've been operating on the edge of a complete a total nervous breakdown since 2010.

my current majors are english and philosophy, with a possible history minor and paralegal certification (i'm considering going into law). my former trade was construction, specifically private development on the civil engineering side. i was a cadd tech. with school, i've followed what interests me under close advisement, and here i am, a liberal arts major. i feel that once i finish my degree that it will be to my advantage, especially when coupled with my previous career experience, even though i'm not 100% on where everything is going just yet. i'm probably not going to hang onto the english major; i'm just not part of the club it seems.

but one thing that bothers me, perhaps more than it should, is when people insult my study path, e.g. telling me that my degree will essentially be "worthless" and asking why i'm not in something that will be more profitable, or perhaps even assuming that i'm too stupid for those fields. rationally, i know that this is about them more than me, either from sheer ignorance, low self esteem, or a bit of both. but it gets to me. there seems to be this underlying assumption that anything that isn't a STEM or specialized degree is an easy track and a pointless waste of time and money, when for me at least, that seems the furthest thing from the truth. my studies are extremely challenging. i cannot describe how difficult these past few years have been for me. class is not easy. moreover, my studies are highly rewarding, and i like who i am now as a result of having started down that path. i also refuse to believe that my degree will diminish my viability as a job candidate, especially if i go into law.

i tend to mostly get this sort of stuff from strangers, but sometimes it will come from friends. i have a lifelong friend with a communications degree from a party school and another who's about to enter grad school for finance. the former has occasionally made some bothersome comments, but the latter friend has said some hurtful things to me. the irony here is that the latter friend's wife is a big time aerospace engineer, and has fully supported his lavish lifestyle the entire time he's been in school. she is actually someone i can have a serious conversation with about school because school was an ordeal for her as well and she didn't have any of the advantages she is (happily) giving her husband now. when the subject does come up, i always tell her that i think the stuff she has studied and works on is crazy cool and that i can't imagine how hard it is. likewise, she says the same of my path, and i don't feel like she's just being polite. there is real empathy and understanding there, it seems. luckily, with my family being big on art, music and the sciences (we're just a brainy bunch), i don't even catch a whiff of any of this nonsense.

i realize this place is a veritable farm for retarded, misinformed, narrow minded and downright juvenile opinions, and i'm expecting plenty of those in response. but does anyone else understand where i'm coming from? TL;DR - it sucks when some of your closest friends don't seem to believe in you, especially when you are bleeding through the ordeal you're going through.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: millzy] * 1
    #22259847 - 09/19/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The higher you go up, the more people that wanna knock you down. Misery loves company.

Fuck the haters, strut  your feathers with pride bro.


I'm working hard as fuck towards my bachelor of commerce. Everyone wants to shoot me down but I am laser focused on the goal.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22260085 - 09/19/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The higher you go up, the more people that wanna knock you down. Misery loves company.

Fuck the haters, strut  your feathers with pride bro.




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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: Arctic W. Fox] * 1
    #22260093 - 09/19/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Put on your blinders like a race horse and just look at the finish line and don't let anyone get in your way.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 3
    #22260109 - 09/19/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The higher you go up, the more people that wanna knock you down. Misery loves company.

Fuck the haters, strut  your feathers with pride bro.


I'm working hard as fuck towards my bachelor of commerce. Everyone wants to shoot me down but I am laser focused on the goal.



No one cares enough to shoot you down. You're just so full of yourself that you don't know when to shut up. Wahhhhhh you're still whining. Every fucking excuse to whine, you take it. It's quite pathetic. You even took the first responsive post in this thread just so you could whine about some irrelevant shit, then throw in your educative goals for some sympathy. Why can I assume that? Well, because no one has done anything of the sort. So you're whining because so many people around here are calling you out for being a loudmouth parrot and you can't handle it even though you try so hard to appear like you don't.

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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: millzy] * 1
    #22260113 - 09/19/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes I feel ya


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #22260145 - 09/19/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I got my Bachelor's in Theatre, bro. I know your pain. I started out in psychology headed for a developmental therapy track, but I remembered that I hate not doing things with my hands. When I switched, I caught a shit ton of flak from my brother, who considered theatre a worthless degree for people who didn't want to work hard in college. Well, he could fuck right off; in addition to my regular studies, I spent 60-70 hours a week working on shows. I'm not going to pretend it's an easy field in which to find a steady, well-paying job, but at no point does he get to fucking tell me I don't have to work hard to get places. And he's stuck in a medium-high paying career that he fucking hates. Who's the loser now, Brian?!

Anyway, do what you want and don't ever let anyone else make decisions for you when it comes to your life. Even if you have to work harder to make your degree work for you when you enter the field again, you will be so much happier than if you'd nodded and switched to a STEM field just because that's what everyone thinks will make you the most money. Money isn't everything. If you spend 30 years wanting to kill yourself because you chose a field you weren't passionate about, well, I think that easily overpowers joy from being wealthy.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: r.lutece]
    #22260178 - 09/19/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, with my former career, it was more a path i chose out of necessity due to background issues as a teen (i'm a nonviolent drug offender). i have a natural inclination for drawing that i was able to capitalize on, and my father is an architect, so it worked out. but i was never truly happy doing what i did, even though there were a lot of things about the job i enjoyed and i am proud of all of the projects i had the privilege of being part of. i agree that money isn't everything. being broke sucks though. as far as money goes, all i want is enough.

i'm a bit surprised by the responses here, but i really appreciate the support nonetheless. i don't feel so alone now. :heart:


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22260206 - 09/19/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
You're just so full of yourself that you don't know when to shut up.




Oh really?


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A lot of people have speculated on the significance of the beings, and I have the answer.





Shut up, everyone - XL has the answer!

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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: millzy] * 1
    #22260811 - 09/19/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I guess there is a tendency to see a degree as a commodity item, since generally it's going to cost a shitload of money. Liberal arts degrees may not have the "golden ticket" appeal as much these days but I can see the appeal of dedicating yourself to developing your abilities as a writer. Seems like even in STEM fields there are some people who finish a degree without really developing marketable skills.

Personally I'm in CS and I know that I would not be able to cut it in an essay-heavy degree. I enjoy written debate on here, but with an assigned piece of writing I have a hard time handing something in that I'm not totally happy with, and the whole ordeal just kind of ruins the topic for me if it was something I enjoyed.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: psi]
    #22260847 - 09/19/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well while I would like to enrich my mind to work some office job . Im not rich 30k  to fuck insecure  chicks and learn about shit that isnt practical to you getting a well paying job and that insurmountable amount of debt you now have all cause you had a thing for art house girls who thought you were deep.



Next thing you know you are working for an asshole 100k in debt and no career path. I think that is just fucked. Life is short and I dont have the time or more importantly the money to just jerk my mind off.


All im trying to say unless you are training for a career then you are wasting your money. Im not saying education is trash just that if you are going to in debt yourself to a Federal institution whom will get there mother fucking money faster then a crack head land lord on the 1st......

You better use that money wisely, Thats all im trying to put out there


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: trekie]
    #22261129 - 09/19/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I guess there is a tendency to see a degree as a commodity item, since generally it's going to cost a shitload of money. Liberal arts degrees may not have the "golden ticket" appeal as much these days but I can see the appeal of dedicating yourself to developing your abilities as a writer. Seems like even in STEM fields there are some people who finish a degree without really developing marketable skills.

Personally I'm in CS and I know that I would not be able to cut it in an essay-heavy degree. I enjoy written debate on here, but with an assigned piece of writing I have a hard time handing something in that I'm not totally happy with, and the whole ordeal just kind of ruins the topic for me if it was something I enjoyed.




it's not just the writing with philosophy. the reading is the most difficult of any of the undergrad curricula by far. and then there's the research. and then there's the math. and then there's logic. if it's not a labor of love for you then you're just not going to make it, like any field. the perception that such a broad and rigorous program of study wouldn't translate into highly marketable skills in the business world, even though they are generalized, is patently absurd. there's a reason why phil majors absolutely dominate across the board for the GRE, and it's not uncommon for people with phil BA's to go into professional school for science, medicine and technology. my plan is to either go into law or get into a field where i can use my general skills while expanding my technical ones.

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Well while I would like to enrich my mind to work some office job . Im not rich 30k  to fuck insecure  chicks and learn about shit that isnt practical to you getting a well paying job and that insurmountable amount of debt you now have all cause you had a thing for art house girls who thought you were deep.



Next thing you know you are working for an asshole 100k in debt and no career path. I think that is just fucked. Life is short and I dont have the time or more importantly the money to just jerk my mind off.


All im trying to say unless you are training for a career then you are wasting your money. Im not saying education is trash just that if you are going to in debt yourself to a Federal institution whom will get there mother fucking money faster then a crack head land lord on the 1st......

You better use that money wisely, Thats all im trying to put out there




dude i'm 37 years old. i'm not here to "fuck insecure chicks" and "learn about shit that isn't practical". it's very practical even though it isn't specialized. even with specialized degrees, you generally don't specialize until you enter the workforce.

i'll grant you that it's too expensive. but that doesn't make it not worth going, for me at least.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: millzy]
    #22261149 - 09/19/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Im at the point where I come to school and they have a different criteria, better keep that GPA high as possible, they also weaseled another course out of me because they didn't accept credits, and they make me take this class that I do really well on the homeworks but fail the big test because everyone there is working in groups or just really really studious to the point of exhaustion.

People boast about stem but in comp sci it feels like chapters are missing from the books, I feel like they do that because they want people to make new things which is essentially the people who study all day and night (the asians)


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: millzy]
    #22261157 - 09/19/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I guess there is a tendency to see a degree as a commodity item, since generally it's going to cost a shitload of money. Liberal arts degrees may not have the "golden ticket" appeal as much these days but I can see the appeal of dedicating yourself to developing your abilities as a writer. Seems like even in STEM fields there are some people who finish a degree without really developing marketable skills.

Personally I'm in CS and I know that I would not be able to cut it in an essay-heavy degree. I enjoy written debate on here, but with an assigned piece of writing I have a hard time handing something in that I'm not totally happy with, and the whole ordeal just kind of ruins the topic for me if it was something I enjoyed.




it's not just the writing with philosophy. the reading is the most difficult of any of the undergrad curricula by far. and then there's the research. and then there's the math. and then there's logic. if it's not a labor of love for you then you're just not going to make it, like any field. the perception that such a broad and rigorous program of study wouldn't translate into highly marketable skills in the business world, even though they are generalized, is patently absurd. there's a reason why phil majors absolutely dominate across the board for the GRE, and it's not uncommon for people with phil BA's to go into professional school for science, medicine and technology. my plan is to either go into law or get into a field where i can use my general skills while expanding my technical ones.





There is some degree of overlap between CS and philosophy in the area of logic I think. I'm just glad I don't have to write many essays. I do enjoy writing logical proofs though.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: psi]
    #22261213 - 09/19/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

logic is extremely interesting. i've only taken intro. symbolic is what separates the men from the boys. i intend on taking that one by itself after i've gotten a good break and my head back together.

essays can be fun. i think we are alike psi in that i also have a really hard time turning in stuff that i don't feel is up to snuff. the biggest problem for me is having the time to develop my ideas. work, and sometimes the workload of other classes, just fucks all of that up. i've probably written as many bad papers as i've written good ones because of that. there is one in particular that i'd like to go back and just write because i just want to. i did a literary analysis of pkd's do androids dream of electric sheep? that just did not turn out properly due to time constraints, and i felt like in studying it that i gained some really novel insights into it from a critical theory point of view. someday....


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: millzy]
    #22261220 - 09/19/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

When I write essays I take forever because I have a perfectionism aspect to my OCD.

It makes for a really good essay but makes the whole process to get it complete take longer.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: r.lutece]
    #22261245 - 09/19/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I got my Bachelor's in Theatre, bro. I know your pain. I started out in psychology headed for a developmental therapy track, but I remembered that I hate not doing things with my hands. When I switched, I caught a shit ton of flak from my brother, who considered theatre a worthless degree for people who didn't want to work hard in college. Well, he could fuck right off; in addition to my regular studies, I spent 60-70 hours a week working on shows. I'm not going to pretend it's an easy field in which to find a steady, well-paying job, but at no point does he get to fucking tell me I don't have to work hard to get places. And he's stuck in a medium-high paying career that he fucking hates. Who's the loser now, Brian?!

Anyway, do what you want and don't ever let anyone else make decisions for you when it comes to your life. Even if you have to work harder to make your degree work for you when you enter the field again, you will be so much happier than if you'd nodded and switched to a STEM field just because that's what everyone thinks will make you the most money. Money isn't everything. If you spend 30 years wanting to kill yourself because you chose a field you weren't passionate about, well, I think that easily overpowers joy from being wealthy.




i can't imagine that level of struggle. you have to really want it with theater from my impression. props that you're out there making it happen. that's awesome.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: millzy]
    #22261303 - 09/19/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The only philosophy-related course I've taken at university (or otherwise) was an introductory Philosophy of Science course. Barely scraped by but I found the material interesting at the time. That was over 10 years ago though so I'm rusty on the details. I dropped out of uni fairly early on and returned about 2 years ago. It's taking forever though as I've only been taking a part-time course load. I've been able to get some work because of it already though, TAed for an intro to programming course last fall and this fall I'm doing a double contract for the same course.


Law seems interesting but I don't think I would be cut out for the pressure. I have a sister who is just now finishing a law degree and she thrives on that type of stuff.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: psi]
    #22261322 - 09/19/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I suppose getting a less useful degree is more of a big deal in the states than here. I mean, if I had to pay US tuition for an arts or writing degree? That would be crazy. But here even without scolarships its like, 3000 bucks a full time semester so its a lot more excusable to my mind

philosophy is a cool major. If I was to start again, I might go dual writing/philosophy. One of my best friends is a philosophy major, smartest dude I know hands down. It's certainly not an easy degree


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #22261342 - 09/19/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My roommate wants to become an "art therapist" when I heard that I literally lol'd.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: millzy]
    #22261368 - 09/19/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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but one thing that bothers me, perhaps more than it should, is when people insult my study path, e.g. telling me that my degree will essentially be "worthless" and asking why i'm not in something that will be more profitable, or perhaps even assuming that i'm too stupid for those fields.





Fuck'em dude. It's your life. Most people in HR departments could give two shits what your degrees are in as long as you have one. That diploma that you will get tells hiring managers that you can read and write along with problem solving.

I can relate to you millzy. I have been in school for 3 years now and have lost much of my respect since getting into school. Since getting into school I have lost my identity as a hard working family man. For some reason, working 60 - 80 hours a week is not the same as taking care of a home (raising 2 kids under 5) and studying 15 - 20 credit hour semesters, in the eyes of many people. I tell myself that what I am doing is going to pay off. That what I am doing is improving my quality of life. I also remind myself how many days I have left until I graduate.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22261372 - 09/19/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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My roommate wants to become an "art therapist" when I heard that I literally lol'd.



:cheersyoufuck:

I worked with a guy who was a big dude huge pussy he was middle eastern history major . I was his boss he now is a waiter .one that has 100K degree. That's the point I'm trying to make . Maybe you aren't American and don't understand how it works


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    #22261399 - 09/19/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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My roommate wants to become an "art therapist" when I heard that I literally lol'd.



:cheersyoufuck:

I worked with a guy who was a big dude huge pussy he was middle eastern history major . I was his boss he now is a waiter .one that has 100K degree. That's the point I'm trying to make . Maybe you aren't American and don't understand how it works





I call those trust fund degrees.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: trekie]
    #22261400 - 09/19/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i'm so glad we have you here to break it down for us trekie. :lol:


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: trekie]
    #22261497 - 09/19/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

jesus 100k degree....
my degree will cost like 20k... no way in hell I'd be doing this if it was 100k thats for sure


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: millzy]
    #22261506 - 09/19/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My apologies for my cultural insensitivity. Here in Canada the only teacher we have are our brutal winters and the ever present threat of bears and coyotes.


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    #22264113 - 09/20/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

if you switch majors you can easily get up into 100K territory. or if you attend a private university it could go higher than that. not sure how much med school is but law school is about 225K on average (including whatever you get your BA in). another reason i'm taking a break (aside from keeping my sanity) is to pay down my student debt so it's not that bad.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: millzy]
    #22264131 - 09/20/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wow what in the fuck University here in Canada is like 7 grand a year.


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    #22264220 - 09/20/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

my university is 12K a year, and it's the least expensive in my area. i don't even want to know what the private university about twenty minutes away runs. it was 20K per semester back in the 90's when my friend (the one who ended up graduating from another party school - he transferred) attended.


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    #22264543 - 09/20/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Jeus i feel really lucky now...


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: millzy]
    #22264565 - 09/20/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: millzy]
    #22264987 - 09/20/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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my university is 12K a year, and it's the least expensive in my area. i don't even want to know what the private university about twenty minutes away runs. it was 20K per semester back in the 90's when my friend (the one who ended up graduating from another party school - he transferred) attended.



My tuition would be about that if I was taking classes full-time. Computer science tuition is considered "unregulated" (similar to engineering etc) so it's more expensive than a typical program at my school (which is more like $7k full-time.) International students pay over $30k a year I think.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: psi]
    #22265524 - 09/20/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

im paying 2500 a semester (12 - 20 credit hours, all the same price)
only makes since to get those free classes


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: blackdust]
    #22268169 - 09/21/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i'm at half time so i'm not paying that much right now. i'm going to take a break to pay down some of what i have though.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22268227 - 09/21/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Wow what in the fuck University here in Canada is like 7 grand a year.





Yep here in Canada every university class ever is like 7k a year.


Wrong once again, BC. Medical school and lots of other programs cost far more than this. I don't know where you get your info from but you should check your sources.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #22268466 - 09/21/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i just read books 'cause it's free

i'm making six figures now too, so something must have worked :rolleyes:


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: micro]
    #22268473 - 09/21/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well to be fair

1,234.56 is technically 6 figures


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: trekie]
    #22268543 - 09/21/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Well to be fair

1,234.56 is technically 6 figures




I don't think that's what is meant :p

Then again I live in SF and work in software engineering.

It isn't uncommon here, at all.

When I started I was making 60K but I have 10 years experience now.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: r.lutece]
    #22268576 - 09/21/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I got my Bachelor's in Theatre, bro. I know your pain. I started out in psychology headed for a developmental therapy track, but I remembered that I hate not doing things with my hands. When I switched, I caught a shit ton of flak from my brother, who considered theatre a worthless degree for people who didn't want to work hard in college. Well, he could fuck right off; in addition to my regular studies, I spent 60-70 hours a week working on shows. I'm not going to pretend it's an easy field in which to find a steady, well-paying job, but at no point does he get to fucking tell me I don't have to work hard to get places. And he's stuck in a medium-high paying career that he fucking hates. Who's the loser now, Brian?!





what exactly were you doing for a living?


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: micro]
    #22268596 - 09/21/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I hate to be the one to say this OP but you are in fact studying in field that offers little reward. I'm not saying there isn't a high aying job waiting for you in that field, all I'm saying is that english and philosophy aren't very useful when it comes to real life. Unless you want to write an philosophy book that is.

All education is good education in my opinion. It's just that the world doesn't see it that way


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22268605 - 09/21/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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My roommate wants to become an "art therapist" when I heard that I literally lol'd.




Is thaat like a therapist in charge of all the depressed artists that aren't making any money?


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: Patlal]
    #22268608 - 09/21/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well, to be fair I agree with another poster in that jobs often care only that you have a degree.

I rarely see people stick to one thing, anyway.

Though getting one in the field you want to pursue can only help.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: Patlal]
    #22269096 - 09/21/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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My roommate wants to become an "art therapist" when I heard that I literally lol'd.




Is thaat like a therapist in charge of all the depressed artists that aren't making any money?




That's what I'm under the impression of. I couldn't ask because I was choking back laughter. She's only 19 and immature as all fuck still so I'd feel bad if she knew what I thought of it.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: Patlal]
    #22269129 - 09/21/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I hate to be the one to say this OP but you are in fact studying in field that offers little reward. I'm not saying there isn't a high aying job waiting for you in that field, all I'm saying is that english and philosophy aren't very useful when it comes to real life. Unless you want to write an philosophy book that is.

All education is good education in my opinion. It's just that the world doesn't see it that way




you aren't the only one to say it, and that is because there is a widespread misconception that liberal arts degrees translate poorly in the business world, mostly by people who have little to no exposure to either field and work in specialized fields where those degrees wouldn't be as marketable. for one, if i choose to go into law, those are the two top majors for the field. but even if i choose another path, smart companies value liberal arts degrees because - like STEM degrees - they, perhaps to an even greater extent, nurture valuable generalized skill sets, namely reading, writing, research and math (for phil). this would also be a degree that would be added to ten years experience in engineering as well as my current management position. i'm not going to argue with you on the validity of my education but i think you are mistaken in your opinions.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: millzy]
    #22269153 - 09/21/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I hate to be the one to say this OP but you are in fact studying in field that offers little reward. I'm not saying there isn't a high aying job waiting for you in that field, all I'm saying is that english and philosophy aren't very useful when it comes to real life. Unless you want to write an philosophy book that is.

All education is good education in my opinion. It's just that the world doesn't see it that way




you aren't the only one to say it, and that is because there is a widespread misconception that liberal arts degrees translate poorly in the business world, mostly by people who have little to no exposure to either field and work in specialized fields where those degrees wouldn't be as marketable. for one, if i choose to go into law, those are the two top majors for the field. but even if i choose another path, smart companies value liberal arts degrees because - like STEM degrees - they, perhaps to an even greater extent, nurture valuable generalized skill sets, namely reading, writing, research and math (for phil). this would also be a degree that would be added to ten years experience in engineering as well as my current management position. i'm not going to argue with you on the validity of my education but i think you are mistaken in your opinions.




Fair enough. You obviously researched this more than me


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22272120 - 09/21/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I got my Bachelor's in Theatre, bro. I know your pain. I started out in psychology headed for a developmental therapy track, but I remembered that I hate not doing things with my hands. When I switched, I caught a shit ton of flak from my brother, who considered theatre a worthless degree for people who didn't want to work hard in college. Well, he could fuck right off; in addition to my regular studies, I spent 60-70 hours a week working on shows. I'm not going to pretend it's an easy field in which to find a steady, well-paying job, but at no point does he get to fucking tell me I don't have to work hard to get places. And he's stuck in a medium-high paying career that he fucking hates. Who's the loser now, Brian?!





what exactly were you doing for a living?




I worked backstage in theatres during college. Building and painting sets, props management, light and sound board operation, some costuming, and stage management as well. You name it, the job probably called for it. It's one of the few careers where you can learn how to apply makeup for an actor and MIG weld on the same day.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: r.lutece]
    #22272123 - 09/21/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

the only path of study that i mock is Engineering.

because they are the oompa-loompas of science


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: millzy]
    #22272175 - 09/21/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah it's not really people trying to knock your study path it's more of a warning that you won't have the easiest time finding employment after you graduate. The same is seen across the board right now and that even includes business degrees because that field is saturated.

The biggest issue you are going to have is being able to equate that degree to a career. Those are very normal degrees for teaching, being an author, or maybe doing something else.

Right now the easiest degrees that equate to jobs right after school are engineers and finance. I haven't seen any of my friends who have business degrees implement them and I have a biochem degree and I'm still working on finding the right job.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: Gorlax]
    #22274887 - 09/22/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

damn
i will have an accounting, business management, and communications degree within a year
:lol:
of course I will play the field, see what I enjoy, then certify, certify, and certify.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: blackdust]
    #22275051 - 09/22/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

turning a degree into a career is everyone's problem in one way or another when it comes to school. right now though, i'm more focused on getting to where i can stop attending so i can actually finish the fucking thing. i've been going at full tilt for awhile and i can't keep up the pace for much longer. my situation is a little different because i have a lot of former and current job experience to start another career now so i can regroup and pick things back up down the road. my education isn't really so much about my career as it is my personal development, even though i know it will be to my advantage (in myriad ways ) once i have it under my belt.

i do understand the sentiment, and perhaps even the thoughtfulness, behind "warning" someone about their education. but still, it can come across as demeaning, if not a little ignorant. a complete stranger advising me on how i should live my life is insulting under any set of circumstances.


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Re: insulting others' study paths [Re: millzy]
    #22275076 - 09/22/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I always poke fun at communications and psychology majors. Its just ridiculously easy compared to getting a Banchelors of Science. Its all in good fun though. But, I have yet to find another internship before I graduate in december but I do have a few interviews lined up. The job market is no joke you really gotta hustle. Unless, you know someone or have a hook up of course.


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