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    #22259590 - 09/19/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Post deleted by Raven44<p>Reason for deletion: blue moon syringes are bunk never ever use them. Do not use that guys products period.


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Raven44]
    #22259765 - 09/19/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: blackdust]
    #22259907 - 09/19/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

From what I understand, every ms grow is like hitting g the reset button on genetics. Maybe you isolated some bad mycellium :shrug: it might be better to do a ms grow, and pick a fruit to clone. At least this way you know the strain you're working with is proven to fruit .


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: shellzenone]
    #22259923 - 09/19/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

maybe do 3 transfers, allow the plate to fruit, then clone the fruit on more agar that will then be used for growing?

Narrows done genetics, proves fruiting, allows enough genetic variation.
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    #22260009 - 09/19/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Raven44]
    #22260059 - 09/19/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

oh god, new moon.

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What is "New Moon" ???

  "New Moon" is a formula that I invented for use in the lab to help keep master cultures and spores alive in a sterile environment for longer periods of time, preventing other molds and bacteria.
  Remember that even sterile hermetically sealed containers/media/bags/medical equipment and tools have an expiration date which means they are no longer sterile after that date. Lab professionals know that even the most sterile procedures in making a culture will eventually create bacteria. If a culture starts producing primordia the primordia produce bacteria, its just science. Well where does the bacteria come from?? It is created. We are dealing with living organisms...."Life finds a way"

  After years of working in labs transferring and re-invigorating cultures and at times dealing with contamination issues when I could least expect them or want them, I decided to create some kind of contaminant resistant liquid media to store cultures and spores in for prolonged use. Now I'll go ahead and make it clear here that this does not mean that our "old school" style of spore syringes have a risk of getting to you contaminated. Absolutely not. All our spores are covered under our 100% guarantee, and you have an option of still picking the "old school" spores for those of you that have grown to love our old school syringes.
  After testing different things during many years, the "New Moon" concept came about.

Containing 7 key ingredients (not including spores).


  About 99.9% organic and all lab grade ingredients that help stimulate and not harm, this formula can keep the spores sterile for a much longer period of time. In some rigorous tests I found that a "New Moon" syringe can actually be completely opened by pulling the plunger out the back, dumped in a kitchen bowl under a non-sterile environment and then poured back into the syringe and re-plugged and used without contaminants appearing on the substrate. (Do not attempt) At that point I decided to patent the concept and have been using it since on my own spore and culture syringes and now available to all our customers.

  I have recently read in forums by skeptics that this is just a Gimmick or a Trick to make people think that they are getting more spores. This is Untrue. Humans often criticize what they cannot understand. The "New Moon" has always been sold as a contaminant resistant spore syringe. Does it work? Yes, yes it does. Just ask people who have actually bought one.
  *This does not mean that you can get lazy or clumsy with your sterile procedures!* It's just a safeguard!

  Now, as far as costs go, A "New Moon" syringe is more than 3 times as expensive to make as a regular spore syringe. Time involved in preparation and in the making process of the "New Moon" is about 5 times that of regular spore syringes.

  So why do we sell them at the same price?... Well, To have the best spore syringes out there at an affordable price. Now based on other lab-work that I've done and charged for, I could reasonably price a "New Moon" spore syringe for as much as $75. Not for the spores (because the spores are abundant) but for the solution itself and the ingredients. We sell them for the same price as our old school syringe. Originally thought as an introductory price only. Its popularity soon blew up and I decided to keep it at that extremely low price, but that could change at any time.

  OTHER QUALITIES NOTICED:

*FASTER GERMINATION TIMES
*FASTER COLONIZATION TIMES
*HELPS PREVENT FOREIGN MOLDS AND BACTERIA ON SUBSTRATES AT INOCULATION SITES EVEN BEFORE MYCELIUM BEGINS TO GROW
*HELPS PREVENT BACK CONTAMINATION OF THE SYRINGE BEFORE AND AFTER USE, GREAT FOR STORE-ABILITY
*MYCELIUM TENDS TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE AND LAST LONGER IN ITS VITALITY - ENCOURAGES HEALTHY GROWTH!
*CULTURES AND SPORES STORED IN "NEW MOON" SOLUTION OR MEDIA ALWAYS OUTLAST ANY OTHER MEDIAS OR SOLUTIONS

So why is it called "New Moon"? Because of its radical change after you shake it. It turns completely black. So much so that no light can pass through it even if you hold it up to a light bulb. Just like our moon gets when it goes from full and bright to the new moon which is completely invisible in darkness.


NEW MOON SPORE SYRINGES ARE HARDLY SUITED FOR BRIGHT-FIELD MICROSCOPY DUE TO ITS DARKNESS.




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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? *DELETED* [Re: blackdust]
    #22260114 - 09/19/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Raven44]
    #22260176 - 09/19/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

you need better genetics
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    #22260312 - 09/19/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Raven44]
    #22260317 - 09/19/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

PM Pastywhyte,
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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: blackdust]
    #22260321 - 09/19/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I know what a contaminated jar looks like when it doesn't recover...



The appearance really varies. If some or all grains are still showing absolutely no sign of recovery after 48 hours I would consider that a sign of contamination regardless of whether they recolonized eventually. That's assuming they were fully colonized before the shake.


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? *DELETED* [Re: Kizzle]
    #22260459 - 09/19/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Raven44]
    #22260516 - 09/19/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

START NEW
why do you even want iso?
They perform far less 9/10
WHat is it you are trying to do? Experiment? Learn genetics? or grow shrooms?

If you are experimenting or learning genetics then by all means keep the genetics for your own purposes. On the other hand, if you are trying to grow bulk shrooms then you need to stop what you are doing and start new.


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Kizzle]
    #22260711 - 09/19/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Okay OP i got your :pm: First there are no pics of anything. Forgive my bluntness but you don't know enough of whats happening to describe it to us. Its like a high school student trying to perform heart surgery by texting questions to the surgeon.

Here are a few points I will toss out while you get some pics up.

First it could be genetics. Poor care of a lineage can degrade the genetics over many generations. This is least likely. Even the worst lineage can still produce a good culture throught careful isolation.

Second isolates are pointless for you at this stage. Like dust said get some clones going so you can learn about what you're looking for and have a grow at the same time.

Third, I suspect Kizzle is most on point here. Many bad results are blamed on genetics when contamination or poor conditions are to blame. Grain jars stall for 4 reasons.  No GE, improper moisture levels (too dry or too wet), senscence, and contamination. Sounds like a case of bacteria to me.

Pics man. This is all pointless without them. Also break your posts up into paragraphs and tell us only what we need. Giant word castles make me want to reply with TL; DR.


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? *DELETED* [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22260984 - 09/19/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Raven44]
    #22261008 - 09/19/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

have you verified that you are working with cube mycelium?


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    #22261224 - 09/19/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Raven44]
    #22261291 - 09/19/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i am not the guy to help.
this is all well beyond me


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: blackdust]
    #22261355 - 09/19/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm betting those syringes are not even spores. F4 cultures suggests either 4th generation from wild or crossed genetics (which will be poorly stabilized at that point) or a name of a live culture. Given your description I'm skeptical that you even have cube mycelium or that its clean or healthy. Thats why i want pics. If youre growing trich or a bacterial mess then you should scrap the whole thing.

The new moon syringes are the ones that are blackened with activated charcoal if I remember correctly. Many suspect its live culture in there. Tomentose myc is not a problem, I have many tomentose clones that still fruit prolifically. But if its tomentose because of senescense or simply because its mold you will not be growing much from it.

Amazon is a classic cube, one of the earliest and I would consider it to be decent stock. The wikidzon I am so fond of are actually amazon originally. I think at this point you would be best served to bite the bullet and buy some good spores from a reputable vendor.


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22261422 - 09/19/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

thats why i asked if he has verified that it is cube myclium


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: blackdust]
    #22261427 - 09/19/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I know, you and kizzle been suggesting that from the start and unfortunately without a pic the whole discussion is just tire spinning.


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22261447 - 09/19/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

dude
i think we have been trolled

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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: blackdust]
    #22261898 - 09/19/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It almost sounds like you transferred monokaryotic mycelium. Monokaryotic colonies don't colonize substrate very well, don't produce rhizomorphic mycelium or mushrooms and IME always produce a monoculture after a single transfer. Here's an example of one:



They are the first to appear on a spore plate so you don't want to make a transfer too early after germination.


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    #22262028 - 09/19/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Raven44]
    #22262049 - 09/19/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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But it couldn't be monocaryotic mycelium in the MS jars also that performed the exact same way when spawned to bulk as I described..




With an ms syringe its not impossible but extremely unlikely.


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    #22262450 - 09/19/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22262491 - 09/19/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22262593 - 09/19/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Raven44]
    #22263110 - 09/20/15 01:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not likely that he would have a PE or Amazon culture from that far back. No one even knows how many generations it took pollock to even get PE stable and god only knows how many it went through after that. Amazon is the same. They are stable. At any rate working with wilds is not impossible or even that difficult. Just unpredictable. My guess is he has no idea and is just feeding you manure to shut you up.

That substrate does not look healthy.  Looks stressed. That is probably the real issue. I suspect bacteria.


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    #22263789 - 09/20/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Raven44]
    #22264051 - 09/20/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

P values refer to culture expansion not spore lineage. F values are for spore generations. Ralphsters is no longer a sponsor here and for good reason. Use a current sponsor for spore stock.

Ganodermas are hella cool. Some species are very difficult to get spore germination and wild collected prints can be tricky to work with. I got my ganoderma lucidum culture from sporeworks and its pretty killer. Reasonably priced as well.


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22264162 - 09/20/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

For sure, I shouldn't have referred to the wild prints pure culture as a p value. That's for how many transfers out u are.. Thank u for making sure there isn't bad info out there.

So, would u call ur pure culture established from a wild print your f1? And then u grow the pure culture out, and print the best looking specimens/flushes. W those prints they are your f2's?? Or is this incorrect? Would the first pins/fruits and the prints u gather from those first fruits be your f1 prints?

I'm totally unaware that raulphsters wasn't supported here. Ill have to look into why I guess. Thanks again for the help, the input, and pointing me in the right direction.


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    #22264242 - 09/20/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Since were on the subject of genetics. I've once recommend pikes place market for spores. The head shop in the lower level of the market.. DO NOT but there spores. (if they ever re stock them). They are taken on acidic paper, and stored in the light most the time. The spores i got must have been very old, years id guess. Their spores are about 1% viable. Complete BS in other words. Whoever sold those should be ashamed of themselves.

Like pastywhyte said, go with a current shroomery spore vendor sponsor. Good spores can be everything. Bad spores can deter a beginner for life, which is so messed up.


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Raven44]
    #22265518 - 09/20/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

ralph helped a lot of people at one point
he even sent spores to illegal states
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    #22265529 - 09/20/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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ralph helped a lot of people at one point
he even sent spores to illegal states
Shhhhh




Yeah but he also sent me 8 syringes of aspergillus, eventually I got sick of paying the shipping on his replacement aspergillus :crankey:

He was good once. Past tense.


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22265537 - 09/20/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

didn't the alcohol get to him?
a lot of business owners turn to booze then fuck everything up


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: blackdust]
    #22265542 - 09/20/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Mmmmm booze

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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Raven44]
    #22404350 - 10/19/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well still in the same boat, crap phone can't get pics up easily. How ever I managed to get normal flushes from my isolated rhizomorphic growth.


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    #22404359 - 10/19/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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    #22441429 - 10/27/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Raven44]
    #22441482 - 10/27/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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    #22441491 - 10/27/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If these pics are too big, ill kindly take them down. its my first time getting pics up lol,, so someone please help if ive broken any rules, thank you


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Raven44]
    #22441514 - 10/27/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You're pics are fine dude :thumbup:

You gonna eat that mushie or what? It's lookin a bit lonely :lol:


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    #22441650 - 10/27/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Good luck gettin those down man, sporulated mushrooms taste nasty! :projectile:


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Raven44]
    #22441698 - 10/27/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

kinda disrespectfull imo, of someone to even speak of them as u have. They should be used properly and treated w the utmost respect, not used recreationaly. i would venture to guess u dont respect them and take advantage of them. i tell them i love them every day and hold them very high in my heart.  have u read terrance mckenna's food of the gods? check it out, peace.


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    #22442014 - 10/27/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've read Food of the Gods, got it for cheap off amazon. Good read for sure. And I do respect the mushrooms. I only trip like once every two months or so, and only if the set /setting is perfect. I was only stating that those mushrooms would be hard to stomach for the average person. Perhaps grinding them up and making capsules would be a better way of dosing. Good luck with your future grows man :thumbup:


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Raven44]
    #22445365 - 10/28/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I seriously doubt that the addition of nitrogen is going to boost your yields by 300%. Most of what is needed is in the grain. Nitrogen suppliment might help tack on another 20-30% BE but more than that is a pipedream.

Your results are fairly typical of most decent fruiting genetics. An oz per quart of spawn is a benchmark for most people. I have seen genetics that can double that but, those are rare and you may spend a long time looking for them. Certainly simple bulk supplimentation is not going to provide that kind of increase.


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22445464 - 10/28/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22445990 - 10/28/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Huh, that was my initial thought pastywhyte actually. But I had read that the extra grain is providing nitrogen. So I thought maybe itd be more efficient to add nitrogen to up yeild not more spawn.

regardless of my thoughts, thanks u for ur input. Prob saved me some time there.

I know u can get 2 or more oz per tray w proper genetics and the proper skills. I thought me sharing that might help people reading, it was a new realization for me. Lol.


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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: Raven44]
    #22449371 - 10/29/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Bad genetics?? F4 amazonian culture ?? [Re: blackdust]
    #22538053 - 11/17/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I don't have a key board, only a touch screen phone so keep hating lmao. I said I'll clean up the mess of a post in time. And that, i will actually do, cause i actually keep my word and dont waste my time talking shit lol. better things to do for now. the thread is old news, nothing to continue updating. blue moon syringes are bunk that's what I learned, to say the least.


The genetics were bunk from the start. That was my whole problem. Mine as well delete everything and just leave one post that says  blue moon syringes are bunk, and earth's tongue. period. lol

DO NOT BUY EARTH'S TONGUE PRODUCTS. Their customer service sucked, delayed and got left hanging. He didn't care about my complaint towards his business to do ANYTHING. Not even a reply, the guy imo, is a liar.


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