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InvisibleShiithead
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Guns!
    #22258911 - 09/19/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Should they be outlawed??
Well??
You may choose only one


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Re: Guns! [Re: Shiithead]
    #22258918 - 09/19/15 03:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Guns! [Re: JvF]
    #22258926 - 09/19/15 03:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Preach!


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Hebrews 11:3
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Re: Guns! [Re: Shiithead]
    #22258927 - 09/19/15 03:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

what does thy lord say about guns?


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Re: Guns! [Re: Shiithead]
    #22258944 - 09/19/15 04:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Guns are outlawed in Chicago so if I was a criminal or stupid I'd say yes.


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Re: Guns! [Re: Shiithead]
    #22258949 - 09/19/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think we should poll everything that's been outlawed: "Do You exist? If yes, are you available?"


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Re: Guns! [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22259003 - 09/19/15 05:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Astral Pain said:
Guns are outlawed in Chicago so if I was a criminal or stupid I'd say yes.



Guns arent outlawed here, i think its just pistols in the city.

But we have concealed carry now so im not sure how that works.

Getting my FOID soon, going to get a sweet 1911 for concealed carry :grin:


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Re: Guns! [Re: JvF]
    #22259010 - 09/19/15 05:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Guns! [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22259018 - 09/19/15 05:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



Guns get bitches


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Re: Guns! [Re: JvF]
    #22259019 - 09/19/15 05:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

bitch broke my sunglasses


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Re: Guns! [Re: makaveli8x8] * 3
    #22259022 - 09/19/15 05:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



Shes sorry man, let it go


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Re: Guns! [Re: JvF]
    #22259030 - 09/19/15 05:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just got my CPL in the mail the other day. Got me a nice colt 1911 defender .45 to carry. Or if i feel like a cowboy i got my smith and wesson m&p 10 .38 special six shooter. Or since i live in michigan ill just wear my assault rifle around...


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Re: Guns! [Re: JvF]
    #22259051 - 09/19/15 05:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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jfischer218 said:
Quote:

Astral Pain said:
Guns are outlawed in Chicago so if I was a criminal or stupid I'd say yes.



Guns arent outlawed here, i think its just pistols in the city.

But we have concealed carry now so im not sure how that works.

Getting my FOID soon, going to get a sweet 1911 for concealed carry :grin:




  Take into consideration the gun free zones that are every criminal's dream and a nightmare for law abiding people. I don't see any other type of gun you would use to defend yourself other than a pistol. I remember seeing a video on the news of a store owner using a broom stick to fight off some gun wielding thug. Not a word about him needing a gun to defend his store. Conceal and carry is a must but I fear how the news will cover a story as soon as a thug gets taken out by someone with a conceal permit. You got 16 hours of training ahead of you for your permit and they have places all over to get them at.


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Re: Guns! [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22259138 - 09/19/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

conceal carry permits are kinda bullshit tho, get tired of your gun and want to carry a different one then you need ANOTHER class for your new gun:lol:  at least some starts <----fuck autocorrect how do I turn that stupid shit off, are like that anyway


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Re: Guns! [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #22259211 - 09/19/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

"Get tired of your gun"

What do you mean? Why would someone get tired of their gun & want a new one? To me that is like, "I'm tired of wearing this *article of clothing*... going to get a new one."

Guns are supposed to protect you. That is the only legitimate reason for owning one. That being said you can protect yourself by other means but some feel "safer" owning a firearm.

Please elaborate.


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Re: Guns! [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22259234 - 09/19/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Bigfeely123 said:
"Get tired of your gun"

What do you mean? Why would someone get tired of their gun & want a new one? To me that is like, "I'm tired of wearing this *article of clothing*... going to get a new one."
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Guns are supposed to protect you. That is the only legitimate reason for owning one. That being said you can protect yourself by other means but some feel "safer" owning a firearm.

Please elaborate.





Cars are just supposed to get you from point A to point B, nothing else. Why would anyone want a new car?

And no, protection is not the only legit reason. Have you ever heard of competetive shooting? Or just shooting for fun? Or just for the sake of collecting?


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Re: Guns! [Re: Shiithead]
    #22259280 - 09/19/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Guns are great tools and a lot of fun!


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Re: Guns! [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22259292 - 09/19/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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"Get tired of your gun"

What do you mean? Why would someone get tired of their gun & want a new one? To me that is like, "I'm tired of wearing this *article of clothing*... going to get a new one."

Guns are supposed to protect you. That is the only legitimate reason for owning one. That being said you can protect yourself by other means but some feel "safer" owning a firearm.

Please elaborate.




maybe I bought a shitty $200 pistol at a gun show, then a few years later I saved up and got me a colt 10mm delta.  Maybe I shot my pistol at the gun range, then someone there let me shoot their gun, and I was like dam that's nice.  Not really sure if your post is serious or not, but u get a reply anyway


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Re: Guns! [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22259479 - 09/19/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ya dont know whats so weird about wanting to carry a diffrent gun at diffrent times. Maybe today i wanna carry a auto pistol while tomorrow i might throw a snub nose six shooter in my back pocket? 

Luckily in michigan you dont have to use one particular gun for your cpl since they are already registered to you. Plus we can open carry here to begin with


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Re: Guns! [Re: MkUltra117]
    #22259496 - 09/19/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Ya dont know whats so weird about wanting to carry a diffrent gun at diffrent times. Maybe today i wanna carry a auto pistol while tomorrow i might throw a snub nose six shooter in my back pocket? 

Luckily in michigan you dont have to use one particular gun for your cpl since they are already registered to you. Plus we can open carry here to begin with





different situations. if i'm a the beach i'll have something durable and small. if i'm at a movie i dont give a damn as long as it sits comfortably in the holster.


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Re: Guns! [Re: Dionili]
    #22259542 - 09/19/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Guns! [Re: qman]
    #22259563 - 09/19/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

guns are cool.... i am going to shoot a 20 guage that my mom has had longer than i have been alive.. it hasnt be shot in 30 years... until today, ima go have some fun with it.

and no, guns should not be outlawed. ill go down with a fight if that was to happen.

and makaveli, in this part of the world you dont even have to qualify for a ccw with the weapon you will be carrying.. if you qualify you can carry any god damned gun you please.


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Re: Guns! [Re: rackem]
    #22259571 - 09/19/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

make sure you clean/oil that gun first and wear some shooting glasses.  That's one tip I picked up always wear glasses especially if its a gun you've never shot before


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Re: Guns! [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22259628 - 09/19/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's difficult to own a pistol in Canada, they're restricted or something so you need a special permit or a collectors permit or something to own one and there's no way in hell you'll ever be able to carry it, especially concealed. Our gun laws blow dick. I mean our gun violence is a fraction of what it is in America so that's nice. But I'd like to have a pistol and due to our laws it's just not a realistic thought.


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Re: Guns! [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #22259634 - 09/19/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No but they do need to be more heavily regulated so crazies don't get a hold of them and shoot up the place.


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    #22259695 - 09/19/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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No but they do need to be more heavily regulated so crazies don't get a hold of them and shoot up the place.




Like that would stop the "crazies" in Chicago last night.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-violence-20150918-story.html

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Re: Guns! [Re: nicechrisman] * 1
    #22259720 - 09/19/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

too much room for abuse of that power, not to mention it wouldn't work.  Supporting such things only hurts the everyday American.

If someone wants a gun, they'll get one or make one.  If in your fantasy world you actually do manage to remove those options, they will just find a different option.

The problem is crazies, if to much crazy shit is happening you don't go oh that crazy person used a gun lets regulate guns more.........What you need to do is ask yourself why there are so many crazys, ask yourself how to reduce the numbers.  The reason you don't, is because you already know the answer, society creates them by being assholes, and you all just love being assholes to much to stop.  It starts in elementary school with bullies.  The bullies had shitty parents, those kids then take that toxic behavior to school and pass it on to other kids, fights happen, bad behaviors happen, then their minds get warped even further when the teachers punish them not to teach, but to control.  Anyways long story short minds get poisoned, people get trapped in cycles, social media is basically just the bullys from school.  Look at all the celebrities that lose their shit, its a classic example of how people go crazy. 

Paparazzi, rules allow them to take pictures, freedom of speech lets them basically say whatever they want, its just a constant mind fuck those celebrity's have to deal with.  Its so plain as day to see yet nobody gives 2 shits about fixing it, because people can't live without the drama/news/bullshit.  We all know the problem, but we'd rather enjoy the drama, then when the shootings,car chases, molestations, sex changes, ect ect happen we all act outraged or surprised.  Its just like overpopulation, everyone deep down knows its a problem, but they'd rather keep the status quo out of greed.  Denial denial denial.


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Re: Guns! [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22259733 - 09/19/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It would be simple and straightforward to make guns less available to crazy people by means of gun registration rules and enhanced background checks. Yes you can't keep guns from someone who really wants to get one, but you sure can make it much more difficult for someone with a fucked up background and psychiatric history to impulsively get one.


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Re: Guns! [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22259744 - 09/19/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

sounds like you didn't even read what I wrote, because if you had you should realize everything you said doesn't make sense.


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Re: Guns! [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22259746 - 09/19/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Obviously I'm not going to change your mind, and you aren't going to change mine. :cheers:


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Re: Guns! [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22259758 - 09/19/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

that's exactly what a crazy person would say when they find out they can't buy a gun :aweohyou:


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Re: Guns! [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22259784 - 09/19/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

semi auto or less long guns should be non restricted and non registered. anything else, including handguns should be registered and restricted. some level of licensing should be implemented for every type of firearm.


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Re: Guns! [Re: Shiithead]
    #22259888 - 09/19/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The rifle is the first weapon you learn how to use, because it lets you keep your distance from the client. The closer you get to being a pro, the closer you can get to the client. The knife, for example, is the last thing you learn.

What about the ring trick. You know that one?

A gun will never protect you from someone like me. It's not a savior and will not save you.





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    #22259906 - 09/19/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

but but killing people is illegal, shit, we need to regulate death more.  No killing after dark you crazies!  That should cut murders in half!:obama:


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Re: Guns! [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22259933 - 09/19/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

fun fact:

Hammers and clubs were responsible for 36% more deaths than rifles between 2005 and 2011


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Re: Guns! [Re: luvdemboomers] * 1
    #22259944 - 09/19/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

if only hammers required registration the world would be a safer place!


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Re: Guns! [Re: makaveli8x8] * 2
    #22259950 - 09/19/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm from Canada and have never seen anyone with a gun. I don't think I have actually seen any guns besides on police officers and stuff like that.

No thugs I have hung with had guns.


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Re: Guns! [Re: Arctic W. Fox] * 1
    #22259954 - 09/19/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The rifle is the first weapon you learn how to use, because it lets you keep your distance from the client. The closer you get to being a pro, the closer you can get to the client. The knife, for example, is the last thing you learn.

What about the ring trick. You know that one?

A gun will never protect you from someone like me. It's not a savior and will not save you.





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Re: Guns! [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22259959 - 09/19/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm from Canada and have never seen anyone with a gun. I don't think I have actually seen any guns besides on police officers and stuff like that.

No thugs I have hung with had guns.




Sounds like you hang out with some punk bitches...  :whatyougonnado:


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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Re: Guns! [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #22259963 - 09/19/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No Canadian thugs have guns really. There are probs a few but guns are super hard to find.


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    #22259969 - 09/19/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Idk dude. Doesn't sound like you're looking for them to be honest.



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    #22259972 - 09/19/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

that's because your country is like the pussy of the world, followed by france


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    #22259979 - 09/19/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

also kindergarden meth heads =/= thugs


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    #22259984 - 09/19/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think it is actually well off people here that have guns. Poor thugs have no way to get them they are incredibly hard to find anywhere on the street.


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    #22259989 - 09/19/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Canadian thugs be like, "May I have your wallet, please?"

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    #22259991 - 09/19/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Most Canadian thugs are posers I am not gonna lie.


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    #22260007 - 09/19/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't have anything against guns, just against an awful lot of the people who use them. I wouldn't trust the majority of the shroomery with a gun, at least based on their posting, and the apparently huge number of duis here.
Guns should be registered and regulated, but if you meet the standards then i don't see why they need a limit on how many guns you can have or what kind. A dumbfuck will be a dumbfuck whether they have two guns or 1, and a smart responsible person will be fine whether they have 1 or 20 :shrug:


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    #22260011 - 09/19/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think guns are way to easy to get in the US.

I like the way we have it in Canada.


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    #22260029 - 09/19/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You've been watching too many movies.





You've been reading too many fairy tales.


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I don't have anything against guns, just against an awful lot of the people who use them. I wouldn't trust the majority of the shroomery with a gun, at least based on their posting, and the apparently huge number of duis here.
Guns should be registered and regulated, but if you meet the standards then i don't see why they need a limit on how many guns you can have or what kind. A dumbfuck will be a dumbfuck whether they have two guns or 1, and a smart responsible person will be fine whether they have 1 or 20 :shrug:




Have you ever heard the term give an inch and get taken by a mile??


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    #22260038 - 09/19/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

and read a history book or something to find out why no gun should ever be registered or required to be


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    #22260044 - 09/19/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22260112 - 09/19/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

ya the usual bullshit excuses. Your guns wont protect you from your government. 200, 100 years ago, sure. no longer.
still guns are nice things to have :shrug:


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    #22260130 - 09/19/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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ya the usual bullshit excuses. Your guns wont protect you from your government. 200, 100 years ago, sure. no longer.
still guns are nice things to have :shrug:





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    #22260138 - 09/19/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

guns are the only thing to give any chance at all if the gov went total crazy.  Drinking the koolaid is the difference between being able to stand up, and bending over and taking it up the ass.

also its not excuses, its logic, and you've repeatedly been shown to not have any, at some point you should come to realize your better off not having an opinion because if your laws got wrote you wouldn't be able to have one anyway


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    #22260302 - 09/19/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I understand your reasoning, and i distrust governments myself but i don't think you're safe because you have guns. Even if that were the case, I still think its a huge risk to let just anyone have a gun.
If you're not a violent criminal or a total dumbass, then sure, have however many guns you like. i just think like driving a car there should be restrictions on who is allowed to own guns.
The government already fucks people up the ass. Have guns fixed that lately?


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    #22260335 - 09/19/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

guns have helped keep us safe ever since they were created...........
the only reason you want regulation is because nancy grace told you what to think
guns have been around forever 10-20 years ago u didn't give 2 shits.
yes guns have fixed that lately, the fix it every day, till the guns are gone.  as has been said before, read a history book.


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    #22260403 - 09/19/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just wait until your thinking wraps itself around HERF pistols and EMPty bombs.


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    #22260778 - 09/19/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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guns are the only thing to give any chance at all if the gov went total crazy.  Drinking the koolaid is the difference between being able to stand up, and bending over and taking it up the ass.

also its not excuses, its logic, and you've repeatedly been shown to not have any, at some point you should come to realize your better off not having an opinion because if your laws got wrote you wouldn't be able to have one anyway



It's just laughable when people think the founders ever considered the second amendment to be a remedy for a tyrannical US government. It was intended to arm the citizens to defend against foreign invasion - specially British attempts to retake its colonies.

If the founders wanted the citizens to have the ability to rise up against the U.S. Government, do you really think they would have made doing such a thing the ONLY crime specifically mentioned within the document? Taking up arms against the uS is called treason. Do you really think they would have made rising up against the government the only legitimate reason to strip citizens of their constitutional rights? Sedition is justification for suspension of habeus corpus.

If you actually read the constitution instead of falling for NRA PR campaigns, you would realize that the founders went out of their way to make sure citizens COULD NOT take up arms against the government.


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Re: Guns! [Re: koods]
    #22260784 - 09/19/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think guns should be illegal but I don't think that if fired they should be able to hit randoms with a stray bullet


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    #22261293 - 09/19/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You're clearly far more enlightened than me good sir.
What gives you the impression my argument is unfounded? Enough with your 'read a history book' rhetoric. What worked 100 years ago won't necessarily work now. People tend to have an emotional attachment to their ideological stances, and so far that's what you've demonstrated to me, not a logical or well grounded argument at all.
I don't even care that much about gun control, but in all honesty I don't trust the average citizen anymore than I do the government. What's so wrong with assessing who is and is not fit to own a lethal weapon anyway? The same is done for cars.


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    #22261512 - 09/19/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Should they be outlawed??





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    #22261544 - 09/19/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Even if guns were outlawed, it would just make me buy more of them, even though I own a lot of them anyway. I need more guns.


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    #22261562 - 09/19/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

me too. got some serious firepower within 25 feet of me.

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    #22261735 - 09/19/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm from Canada and have never seen anyone with a gun. I don't think I have actually seen any guns besides on police officers and stuff like that.

No thugs I have hung with had guns.




Aside from cops, I've never seen anyone with a gun before either. They just aren't that common around here, and people that do have them have better sense to carry them around with them.


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    #22261744 - 09/19/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Say we outlaw guns.  Now your average law abiding, trained, armed citizen with registered firearms cant carry a firearm, but you still have all these lowlife criminals with illegal black market unregistered firearms still causing havoc robbing and killing, with no way to trace the gun back to who committed the crime.

Also how is said law abiding citizen suppose to defend themselves, say going into a bad neighborhood say in Detroit to do a delivery to a client or construction work or whatever?

Sooo im still trying to figure out how this is solving a problem. People will always find a way around laws ecspecially for illegal reasons...


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    #22261796 - 09/19/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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    #22261835 - 09/19/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think anyone is talking about taking away guns from the average citizen. What we are talking about is accountability for said guns in the form of licensing and enhanced background checks to make sure that dangerous people don't get their hands on them.


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    #22261868 - 09/19/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:
Yeah fucking rite dude

either everyone get's access to guns or no one does

that's how the political system works!


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    #22261876 - 09/19/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think anyone is talking about taking away guns from the average citizen. What we are talking about is accountability for said guns in the form of licensing and enhanced background checks to make sure that dangerous people don't get their hands on them.




You already are breaking federal law if you smoke marijuana and own firearms. What other restrictions should we ad to keep potheads and other lowlifes from owning them?


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    #22261934 - 09/19/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Really doesn't matter what gun laws they make. They'll just be broken like the rest of all the other laws lol. Make something illegal, it just makes a bigger demand for it and that will just lead to more violence.


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    #22261942 - 09/19/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Gun laws can't make it completely impossible for someone to get a gun, but what they can do is make it a lot less likely for unfit people to be able to impulsively get one.


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    #22261966 - 09/19/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ya look at prohibition. It didnt solve anything


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    #22261975 - 09/19/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nobody is talking about prohibiting guns. We are talking about making greater accountability for those who own them, and making it more difficult for mentally ill and violent people to buy them.


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    #22262027 - 09/19/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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I'm from Canada and have never seen anyone with a gun. I don't think I have actually seen any guns besides on police officers and stuff like that.

No thugs I have hung with had guns.




Aside from cops, I've never seen anyone with a gun before either.





how do you know... the point behind concealed carry is to be discrete, to make it
look like you arent carrying because when you carry concealed you dont feel like
alarming the more delicate members of the general pubic

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    #22262039 - 09/19/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I hate violence and it is never the answer but I don't think banning guns is ok. Apparently gun prohibition works out ok in Europe but regardless I don't think going around taking peoples guns is alright. I never plan on killing anyone or plan on trying to use a gun for violence but I plan on owning one just in case and to protect my family and in case some shit ever goes down with the government.


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    #22262048 - 09/19/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

In case you are ever in the position to commit treason against the United States?


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    #22262079 - 09/19/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I conceal carry with a permit in my state, and if guns were outlawed I would just be an outlaw packing heat as usual.


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    #22262112 - 09/19/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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In case you are ever in the position to commit treason against the United States?



For a while now I've been convinced the government is evil and plans on having authoritarian control over us so I thought if some sort of regime tries to take power and control us all and if enough citizens have guns we might be able to pick a fight with them and be able to over throw them.

However I'm a peace loving person and rather not involve myself in any anarchy related activities. I'm a libertarian for the most part and despise the government, establishments, and our culture but I don't think in my life time I would try to overthrow the government or support some violent plot to do so. If something like that were to happen however I would go out and put up a fight against the Government. But despite knowing our Government is fucked up I just rather not deal with that. I want to live my life out in peace with my friends and the people I love. I'm not really a fighter.


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In case you are ever in the position to commit treason against the United States?



For a while now I've been convinced the government is evil and plans on having authoritarian control over us so I thought if some sort of regime tries to take power and control us all and if enough citizens have guns we might be able to pick a fight with them and be able to over throw them.

However I'm a peace loving person and rather not involve myself in any anarchy related activities. I'm a libertarian for the most part and despise the government, establishments, and our culture but I don't think in my life time I would try to overthrow the government or support some violent plot to do so. If something like that were to happen however I would go out and put up a fight against the Government. But despite knowing our Government is fucked up I just rather not deal with that. I want to live my life out in peace with my friends and the people I love. I'm not really a fighter.






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Re: Guns! [Re: Shiithead]
    #22262261 - 09/19/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

By no means am I submitting myself to the government and  choosing to be a slave to the system and allowing myself to be plugged into the Matrix. I'm wary of the government but overthrowing the government is simply not my purpose in this life and is not what I was meant for. I have other goals in life and I have people I love and care about and I do not want them to face the consequences of any actions I have taken agains the government.

I will however take no shit from them and will die as a freedom fighter before I'm a slave of theirs.


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Re: Guns! [Re: Janky Tits]
    #22262439 - 09/19/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Guns should only be used by women and old people really:shrug:


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Re: Guns! [Re: Konyap]
    #22262457 - 09/19/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Konyap said:
Guns should only be used by women and old people really:shrug:





Why should I not be able to own a gun to protect myself? Let's say I'm chuck norris and can defend myself against armed bad guys with my hands...why should I not have a gun to shoot for fun (one of my favorite activities btw)?


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Re: Guns! [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22262496 - 09/19/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

because murder isn't friendly...
and if you do murder someone in self defense you basically make yourself a target to be murdered lol


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    #22262557 - 09/19/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Guns should only be used by women and old people really:shrug:




???

Phil Hartman was killed by his wife.


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    #22262560 - 09/19/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

guns r fun


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    #22262575 - 09/19/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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because murder isn't friendly...
and if you do murder someone in self defense you basically make yourself a target to be murdered lol




why are you talking about murder?


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    #22263132 - 09/20/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

makaveli8x8 said:
guns are the only thing to give any chance at all if the gov went total crazy.  Drinking the koolaid is the difference between being able to stand up, and bending over and taking it up the ass.

also its not excuses, its logic, and you've repeatedly been shown to not have any, at some point you should come to realize your better off not having an opinion because if your laws got wrote you wouldn't be able to have one anyway



It's just laughable when people think the founders ever considered the second amendment to be a remedy for a tyrannical US government. It was intended to arm the citizens to defend against foreign invasion - specially British attempts to retake its colonies.

If the founders wanted the citizens to have the ability to rise up against the U.S. Government, do you really think they would have made doing such a thing the ONLY crime specifically mentioned within the document? Taking up arms against the uS is called treason. Do you really think they would have made rising up against the government the only legitimate reason to strip citizens of their constitutional rights? Sedition is justification for suspension of habeus corpus.

If you actually read the constitution instead of falling for NRA PR campaigns, you would realize that the founders went out of their way to make sure citizens COULD NOT take up arms against the government.




funny your so quick to not give a shit about all the rest of the constitution, but when it comes to guns and treason all the sudden you care?  Also its only treason if its still the US, if its corrupted then its not really the US is it?


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    #22263589 - 09/20/15 06:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's just laughable when people think the founders ever considered the second amendment to be a remedy for a tyrannical US government.




What's laughable is your display of ignorance.

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
- Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789


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Re: Guns! [Re: Janky Tits]
    #22264511 - 09/20/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Janky Tits said:
I hate violence and it is never the answer but I don't think banning guns is ok. Apparently gun prohibition works out ok in Europe but regardless I don't think going around taking peoples guns is alright. I never plan on killing anyone or plan on trying to use a gun for violence but I plan on owning one just in case and to protect my family and in case some shit ever goes down with the government.





the US has more and more guns in the public's hands each year and our violent crime rate is falling

europe has fewer guns in the public's hands and their violent crime rates are on the rise


which is 'working out OK'


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    #22264522 - 09/20/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Konyap said:
because murder isn't friendly...
and if you do murder someone in self defense you basically make yourself a target to be murdered lol





you cannot murder someone in self defense


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Re: Guns! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22264596 - 09/20/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

koods said:
It's just laughable when people think the founders ever considered the second amendment to be a remedy for a tyrannical US government.




What's laughable is your display of ignorance.

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
- Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789




Cool. We have plenty of nuts around now too. These guys didn't win the argument.

Seriously, explain to me why the constitution gives congress the right to strip away a citizens right to freedom in the case of sedition?

se·di·tion
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conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.


Also, CLOSE YOUR DAMN ITALICS TAGS


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    #22264603 - 09/20/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)


My musket, :lol: Guns are cool.


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Re: Guns! [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22264628 - 09/20/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
Quote:

koods said:
Quote:

makaveli8x8 said:
guns are the only thing to give any chance at all if the gov went total crazy.  Drinking the koolaid is the difference between being able to stand up, and bending over and taking it up the ass.

also its not excuses, its logic, and you've repeatedly been shown to not have any, at some point you should come to realize your better off not having an opinion because if your laws got wrote you wouldn't be able to have one anyway



It's just laughable when people think the founders ever considered the second amendment to be a remedy for a tyrannical US government. It was intended to arm the citizens to defend against foreign invasion - specially British attempts to retake its colonies.

If the founders wanted the citizens to have the ability to rise up against the U.S. Government, do you really think they would have made doing such a thing the ONLY crime specifically mentioned within the document? Taking up arms against the uS is called treason. Do you really think they would have made rising up against the government the only legitimate reason to strip citizens of their constitutional rights? Sedition is justification for suspension of habeus corpus.

If you actually read the constitution instead of falling for NRA PR campaigns, you would realize that the founders went out of their way to make sure citizens COULD NOT take up arms against the government.




funny your so quick to not give a shit about all the rest of the constitution, but when it comes to guns and treason all the sudden you care?  Also its only treason if its still the US, if its corrupted then its not really the US is it?




If it's corrupted and not really the US, the constitution doesn't rally matter, does it?


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    #22264648 - 09/20/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

exactly so either way I win:obama:


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Re: Guns! [Re: koods]
    #22264677 - 09/20/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Seriously, explain to me why the constitution gives congress the right to strip away a citizens right to freedom in the case of sedition?

se·di·tion
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conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.




I'd suggest you look into it, but that'd be expecting too much from the same guy who thought the 2nd had nothing to do with an over-bearing government. Fuck, you say some stupid things.


Quote:

Also, CLOSE YOUR DAMN ITALICS TAGS




Go fuck yourself. Or is there some rule now that a butthurt mod who knows little about history can tell people which tag to use?


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Re: Guns! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22264713 - 09/20/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

FYI: This forum is much better with koods on ignore


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    #22264722 - 09/20/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:blah:


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    #22264725 - 09/20/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

lol wtf puppet account?


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    #22264739 - 09/20/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:lol: just noticed that.


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Re: Guns! [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22264762 - 09/20/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

are you sayin I'm shrooms puppet?

no...


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Re: Guns! [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22264770 - 09/20/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

though it would be funny if I pretended to be his puppet; everyone would believe me lol


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Re: Guns! [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22264777 - 09/20/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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lol wtf puppet account?




I hope you aren't too unintelligent to realize posters can have similar nicks.


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Y'all even have similar titles.


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    #22264787 - 09/20/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thought you said titties at first


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    #22264800 - 09/20/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:fatfear:


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