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OfflineStrumpling
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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: Swami]
    #2226379 - 01/07/04 03:50 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I define myself in a limiting way at times by claiming that I am lazy :wink:

If I percieve myself as lazy, then I'll be lazy... When I don't percieve myself as lazy, I'm not.


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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: TrueBrode]
    #2226399 - 01/07/04 03:56 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Here is what I see you as saying (please clarify if I am wrong):

Some people have such a strong limiting belief that it limits them from overcoming other limiting beliefs. Kind of like a moat AND a wall.

More work (or lack of desire to change) does not mean less possible. These types can MOST benefit from mental reconditioning.


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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: TrueBrode]
    #2226401 - 01/07/04 03:56 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

maybe one should not force relaxation, one should not have limits, but neither should one harbor feelings of limitless. We are limited, but in being limited(in time) in a limited sense(space) we are possibly absolute. At this point it is hard to gaurentee absolution in a man except by his demonistrating his trancendence of any and all limits, but than is he just another man any longer? That however is another topic. In forcing relaxation the true nature falls away like flowers in the spring. And is replaced by a memory of the true nature in the mind. This memory of the true nature is obviously not the true nature, as time has moved on and the future is constantly bringing change. When one forces oneself, or attempts to force others 'stings of command' (quoting elias canetti) embed themselves in the ego of the reciever. This can lead to divisions of mind and society and lessening of the pure intention. Only if both the reciever and the giver are pure in nature is this good. Some would say pure nature brings want and desire, i say they create this image in their mind to satisfy their desire for gratification (which is what keeps the pleasure/power oriented self alive). Many wonder why america has so many physciosies, depression and ADHD to name two of the more general and common. These things are not directly created by negative self image. They are an adverse reaction to an inability to cope with being forced into something (the alien and cut throat but not seemingly cut throat world today, in fact many commericals i see almost ooze 'we want YOU to be happy' i think this is just another marketing ploy and the deception is incredibly deep seeded in 'today's' world) in a unnatural fashion. In the wild a man has the choice to hunt or die. The wilderness is not a pure example of freedom, due to man's natural will to control. But man's natural will to understand, an offshoot of controling somehow is able to help him use his destructive impulses in a constructive matter, or help wein himself from them in other situations. Basically i see desire, for pleasure or power, without subsequent understanding (ie power in the hands of the ignorant), as the source of destruction of unity with the infinte(ie time). When one has this desire one naturally seeks to destroy it by fullfillment. This is done in ignorance, and most likely the product of improper conditioning of children, which see the improper as proper and soon chaos reigns. Now today is here, everyone holds on to their memories of the past, weither good or bad, and their hopes for the future, to a greater or lesser degree. than again i am unable to speak with absolute absolution but i can speak of possiblity. than again i do practice tecnhiques to cultivate my awareness/energy depending on who you ask and how much they like estoteric(??) bs, but i never force it(although many martial arts teachers i have met believe i should), for the life of me i cant understand why they believe as such, i think they hold on to fleeting moments of what may be known as nirvana or some sort of increase in awareness.


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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: tehbuttermaid]
    #2226417 - 01/07/04 04:04 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Many wonder why america has so many physciosies..

Something I have often wondered - even what they are.  :rolleyes:


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OfflinePositronius
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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: tehbuttermaid]
    #2226438 - 01/07/04 04:12 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

physciosies?

shit...thats not even close...to anything.

"Many wonder why america has so many physciosies, depression and ADHD to name two of the more general and common. These things are not directly created by negative self image"

no, they are related to very rich corporations with effective advertising and large spheres of influence.


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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: Swami]
    #2226444 - 01/07/04 04:15 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Here are some common self-limiting beliefs (self-talk):

a. I forget things easily because I have ADHD.

b. I look at food and I gain weight.

c. I am weak, uncoordinated, shy, clumsy, can't speak in front of people, am no good with women (or men), have no talent.

d. I can't do _____.

e. I don't want to be rich.

f. An infinite number of other things.




How about, "I can't fly by flapping my arms"?


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OfflineAlan Stone
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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: TrueBrode]
    #2226459 - 01/07/04 04:19 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

We do NOT have fixed qualities; physical or otherwise.




No, they're not limiting spiritual borders. Read your own post again if you're confused  :grin:


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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: silversoul7]
    #2226475 - 01/07/04 04:22 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

How about, "I can't fly by flapping my arms"?

Apparently you are either attempting to be funny and failing or are unable to distinguish self-limiting from physically limited. It is physics, not a thought, that prevents man from flying without apparatus.

A self-limiting belief is a false mental construct that precludes one from taking action or changing.


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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: Swami]
    #2226480 - 01/07/04 04:23 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

like "I can't ask that girl out - she's too hot!"


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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: silversoul7]
    #2226485 - 01/07/04 04:24 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

silversoul7 said:
How about, "I can't fly by flapping my arms"?




ROFL !

Quote:

shit...thats not even close...to anything.



LOL. Take note I'm not laughing at thebuttermaid, just with you two.


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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: TrueBrode]
    #2226491 - 01/07/04 04:27 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

An old saying goes: If you want to be successful, you must have more ships going out than coming in.

I think this saying can be applied to this situation.
The only risk is that if you're not tactful, you could hurt the person you're trying to help.


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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: Swami]
    #2226645 - 01/07/04 05:19 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
How about, "I can't fly by flapping my arms"?

Apparently you are either attempting to be funny and failing or are unable to distinguish self-limiting from physically limited. It is physics, not a thought, that prevents man from flying without apparatus.

A self-limiting belief is a false mental construct that precludes one from taking action or changing.



Ok, how about, "I can't read people's minds"? Seems that ESP is mental and not physical.


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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: silversoul7]
    #2226706 - 01/07/04 05:56 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Subconsciously, most people read other people's minds without really consciously aware of it. :wink:


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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: Swami]
    #2226709 - 01/07/04 05:58 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Great post :thumbup:

The premise of this subject is articulately explained in a book i HIGHLY recommend to everybody: "What to say when you talk to yourself"


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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: Strumpling]
    #2227032 - 01/07/04 09:10 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

like "I can't ask that girl out - she's too hot!"

Well for you, that IS true! :lol: I am talking about everyone else. When I was young and handsome I failed miserably with most women. Now that I am old, fat and balding, women love me because I changed my entire attitude. Check out this hottie who was sitting with two men in suits at the Mirage. Sclorch and his possie were visiting and said there was no way I could get this Hollywood starlet away from her friends and to dirty dance with me - wrong!



(Picture courtesy of sclorch -July 2003)


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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: silversoul7]
    #2227035 - 01/07/04 09:13 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, how about, "I can't read people's minds"? Seems that ESP is mental and not physical.

For it to be self-limiting, it has to be something that can be done by others, but not by the limiter. As no one can demonstrate ESP, I don't see how this is a false belief.

Show me and I will change my belief - it is THAT simple.


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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: Swami]
    #2227050 - 01/07/04 09:21 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

put your hand to my side, my nigga

werd!

they be holes in mah hands!

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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2227057 - 01/07/04 09:25 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

"Blessed is he who believes and has NOT seen; for we shall take all his money."


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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: Swami]
    #2227088 - 01/07/04 09:37 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Here is what I see you as saying (please clarify if I am wrong):

Some people have such a strong limiting belief that it limits them from overcoming other limiting beliefs. Kind of like a moat AND a wall.

More work (or lack of desire to change) does not mean less possible. These types can MOST benefit from mental reconditioning.

Yes, that is a more concise way of putting it, and those limiting beliefs can manifest in many ways.

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Re: Who you are (self-limiting definitions) [Re: tehbuttermaid]
    #2227099 - 01/07/04 09:42 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

In forcing relaxation the true nature falls away like flowers in the spring. And is replaced by a memory of the true nature in the mind. This memory of the true nature is obviously not the true nature, as time has moved on and the future is constantly bringing change. When one forces oneself, or attempts to force others 'stings of command' (quoting elias canetti) embed themselves in the ego of the reciever. This can lead to divisions of mind and society and lessening of the pure intention. Only if both the reciever and the giver are pure in nature is this good. Some would say pure nature brings want and desire, i say they create this image in their mind to satisfy their desire for gratification (which is what keeps the pleasure/power oriented self alive).

That is very interesting, and when I'm not stoned at 11:30 it will probably make even more sense.

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