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Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe
    #22255836 - 09/18/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My front runner at the moment is Switzerland. The more of their wikipedia page I read, the more I like the place. The constitution can be completely re-written, which it was in 1999. They avoided invasion in WWII even though they BORDER germany, they haven't been involved in foreign war since the 1800's, direct democracy mixed with representative democracy, and I'm not even halfway through the page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland

In fact everything was practically perfect about the place, so I decided to google their drug policy half expecting everything to be legal. Sadly this is the one place they're not ahead of the curve in, but they do have supervised injecting rooms :shrug:

This is the only country I've heard of that practices direct democracy. "Through referendums, citizens may challenge any law passed by parliament and through initiatives" :homerdrool:

The real question at hand though: Can anybody top Switzerland?? Would be nice to have a place where fungus is legal


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22255862 - 09/18/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Switzerland's pretty cool. Not easy to get into though, the swiss really don't want foreigners moving in. Netherlands are decent, same with Denmark and all those places. I don't know enough to say what's best among them, but even the Czech Republic is pretty cool, though its less wealthy. They're pretty lenient on drugs too


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22255996 - 09/18/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Denmark!

Its got everything u want.

Sounds pretty cool there, cant go wrong.

Might be cold thou :shrug:


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22256046 - 09/18/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Pretty much any country in Europe is great to live in provided you have a steady income. And any country is pretty shirty if you don't. The same is true for most other western countries.

Btw, I find Switzerland quite beautiful, but it wouldn't be my first country of choice to live in. I'd feel stifled a bit; it's quite conservative.


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: koraks]
    #22256158 - 09/18/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The obvious European winners are Switzerland and Sweden

Both are practically utopic


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Patlal]
    #22256161 - 09/18/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Switzerland is too conservative for me personally, but its definitely a nice place to live if you happen to be Swiss.


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #22256173 - 09/18/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

America


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Herbologist]
    #22256216 - 09/18/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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America!




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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22256220 - 09/18/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Boring answer. Everyone knows bout murica
though yeah if I had to live somewhere else, it'd probably be in America


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Herbologist]
    #22256274 - 09/18/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:thumbup:  Fuck yeah.  In Europe I'd have to go with Ireland


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22256331 - 09/18/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hawaii isn't a country you dope.  I picked Ireland because I aint learning another language and it is more beautiful than the rest of the UK.  I'm only a quarter Irish.


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22256410 - 09/18/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Eager to gain full voting rights, Hawaii's residents actively campaigned for statehood.




Try not to be an idiot.  It is a worthwhile pursuit.


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22256503 - 09/18/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Eager to gain full voting rights, Hawaii's residents actively campaigned for statehood.




Try not to be an idiot.  It is a worthwhile pursuit.



Trust me you have no idea what you're talking about. I could go into how you are wrong but knowing you you'll just ignore all the facts and history and stick to your close-minded opinion.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii

The people voted to be a state.  They wanted to be a state.  They are a state.  They are not a country.


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22256509 - 09/18/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hawaii is a state..


Yes, they used to be a kingdom of sorts but not anymore those days are over.


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Herbologist]
    #22256514 - 09/18/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes.  I know that


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22256517 - 09/18/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Switzerland sounds good as far as Europe goes :shrug:

I'm not super patriotic but I don't really hold many of other countries to a high value of living. At least not high enough to justify me making a move. If I moved out of country it would be to Canada or potentially Denmark, maybe Switzerland. I hear good things about Dublin Ireland's tech industry so that may be another good gem. Other than that it's truly slim pickings in this day and age.

That said every country on this planet has its beauty. Some more than others.


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22256525 - 09/18/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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In the 1950s, the power of the plantation owners was broken by the descendants of immigrant laborers, who were born in the incorporated U.S. territory and were U.S. citizens. The Hawaii Republican Party, strongly supported by plantation owners, was voted out of office. The Democratic Party of Hawaii dominated territorial and state politics for over 40 years. Eager to gain full voting rights, Hawaii's residents actively campaigned for statehood




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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22256588 - 09/18/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Of course I'm not gonna watch it.  It is almost two hours long.

According to international law Hawaii is an American state and recognized as such except by wankers.  You blow more shit out your ass than most.


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr] * 1
    #22256589 - 09/18/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Switzerland is the best country in Europe, and I believe the only democracy in the world. Unfortuantly they are land locked in Europe which is on the way out. In 100 years Europe will be a poor, black, muslim continent, with Switzerland the last vestage of western culture remaining on the entire continent.


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22256631 - 09/18/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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In the 1950s, the power of the plantation owners was broken by the descendants of immigrant laborers, who were born in the incorporated U.S. territory and were U.S. citizens. The Hawaii Republican Party, strongly supported by plantation owners, was voted out of office. The Democratic Party of Hawaii dominated territorial and state politics for over 40 years. Eager to gain full voting rights, Hawaii's residents actively campaigned for statehood






Bro I've lived in Hawaii. I've heard both sides. I've known descendants of missionaries who own nearly 1/4 of Maui; whose families took part in the seizure of Hawaii. You know what they tell me? "Yes we took Hawaii, no the native Hawaiians did not want to become a territory or a state; we paid off the majority of the Japanese and Chinese immigrants who could vote to vote for statehood.

Hawaii was illegally seized according to international law. According to international law the Kingdom of Hawaii is still a nation which is under occupation of the USA.

Not that you'll actually watch this; because I know you're not interested in learning but I'll post this video just in case there is anyone willing to learn.






Not everyone was happy about it.

But that doesnt make it less of a state


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22256665 - 09/18/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well, write a letter to the government and see how that goes for you.


Until then Hawaii is a state

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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22256685 - 09/18/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Of course I'm not gonna watch it.  It is almost two hours long.

According to international law Hawaii is an American state and recognized as such except by wankers.  You blow more shit out your ass than most.



You  have not spoken with the people I have spoken with. Like I said I have met people on both sides; I have literally been to one of the mansions of the descendants of the occupiers, and they admit to having stolen Hawaii from the native people.

So you know what I have to say about your ill-informed and ignorant opinion?
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No but seriously.
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The election took place when how many of those people you spoke to were alive?


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22256695 - 09/18/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You are out of your mind.  What are they gonna do?  Kick all the Haoles out.  Spare us your bullshit for once.


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22256721 - 09/18/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Never gonna happen.  And it has nothing to do with it's strategic location.  We were in the Phillipines at the time of the vote.  We are in Okinawa even today.  Both are more convenient than Hawaii.


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22256724 - 09/18/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You are out of your mind.  What are they gonna do?  Kick all the Haoles out.  Spare us your bullshit for once.



No. They're just going to have the ability for self-rule. To establish their own government and laws. US will never give up their military bases though. But I could see them eventually surrendering the rest of the islands.

Which I honestly think would be a win-win for everyone. Hawaii would get the protection of the U.S. and the U.S. would get the strategic location of being in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.




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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22256729 - 09/18/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Anywhere in Europe from Czech Republic westward, besides France, is a fine place to live.


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    #22256739 - 09/18/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I fail to see the advantage of being in the middle of fucking nowhere when we already have bases close to potential conflicts.  And nuclear powered carriers that rarely have to port.  The kid has been listening to too many peckerheads.


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22256845 - 09/18/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I know why they were there 70 years ago.  It isn't important now in the age of the nuclear navy.  We do not let states secede.  We even go to war over it.  You might have heard about that.  The Hawaiins voted for statehood.  Tough shit for your wanker friends who want to go back to being savages.


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22256864 - 09/18/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Honestly I'd be happy living in parts of Canada, the US for sure, Australia, New Zealand, and most of north/western Europe. Lots of cool places out there


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22259550 - 09/19/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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:thumbup:  Fuck yeah.  In Europe I'd have to go with Ireland



reasoning? Ireland is my favorite european country landscape wise though :yesnod:


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22259577 - 09/19/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

336.....kindly take up over half of somebody elses thread with your hawaiin bullshit. normally I don't care about going off topic but seriously put a sock in it. (I don't blame zappa because its zappa :rofl:)

Genuine thanks to those of you who gave real replies. Now I'm curious about the WHY behind all of your answers.

DMT you're the second to say czech republic but I know very little about them?

I also know very little about sweden if patlal cared to give his reasoning (at least i think that was him who said sweden)

Denmark too. I've heard good things about denkark.

This is sort've my emergency country. If I ever feel I need to leave the US, this is where I would hypothetically go. So if someone can make a good case for canada I'm all ears.


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22260012 - 09/19/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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:thumbup:  Fuck yeah.  In Europe I'd have to go with Ireland



reasoning? Ireland is my favorite european country landscape wise though :yesnod:



I speak the language and it is beautiful and the people are cool.


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Re: Suggest an ideal country to live in: ideally in europe [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22262193 - 09/19/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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This is sort've my emergency country. If I ever feel I need to leave the US, this is where I would hypothetically go. So if someone can make a good case for canada I'm all ears.



I don't think any EU country would be a good emergency country. They are too dependant and buddy buddy with uncle sam. You should look at politically independant countries which value their independance. Israel is a logical choice if you are a jew. Singapore also seems ideal, politically independant, relativly neutral and so forth.


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    #22267086 - 09/20/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I read an article a few days ago about a random selection of americans who moved to different countries in europe and almost all them said they regretted it. Of course some said it changed them and such. In most countries your fucked if you just know english. The only country mentioned that had a strong english presence was switzerland so go figure I'd chose that place to live. Many of the things you take for granted here aren't present in Europe. In some of the stories one guy waited 2 months for them to turn on his internet. Another thing is when you move into apartments they don't come with anything, sometimes not even a sink lol. The other complaint was the inconvenience of everyday things like midnight runs to the gas station for papers wasn't possible. I was pretty surprised to see that almost 12/12 people were pretty pissed they moved. I wouldn't be surprised. I feel like many people think its some romantic movie to move away to some foreign land but in reality all those countries aren't that great given we are spoiled as fuck over here. Shit when I went to florida for a week I missed Arizona and it was like 110F over here.


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