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Three Stages Of Trich * 1
    #22255723 - 09/18/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:hi:



Trichoderma is a very persistent and aggravating contamination for some and a legend whispered in fables to others. For those of you who have yet to contract the mean green, congrats :dancer:.

Trich can be a bit troublesome to spot in grain jars. It usually starts off as stringy, white mycelium looking or little white dots all along your grain jar. Sometimes those little white dots can be a yeast infection but most contaminations help trich grab a foothold regardless.


Stage One:



Notice the "sweaty" jar look. This is condensation caused by a temperature difference but this much in a jar is usually a bad sign. The blue of the mycelium that may lead one to believe this is simply bruising in the jar after a shake. This generally starts in a small section but spreads rapidly once shaken. I advise anyone who thinks a jar is contaminated but is not sure to wait until a proper time to shake to reveal the contam. If the jar is stalled, shake right then.

Stage Two:



Here you continue to see the "sweaty" jar look. You can clearly see green beginning to develop here. This is what happens when the trichoderma mycelium make contact with fresh air, it sporulates (Releases spores) and turn green.

Stage Three:



Fucksville, Garbage Can Tek time, :deathstar:

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Re: Three Stages Of Trich [Re: taGyo]
    #22255778 - 09/18/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You learn a lot from being around here :lol:

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I wouldn't bother cutting it. Trich is parasitic. It's a lot more than that green spot. That's just the sporulation. Trich is actually white and it's definitely intertwined in your mycelium now.

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Actually only the aerial mycelium is white. The vegetative mycelium that grows through the substrate is sort of greyish and is so thin it's to hard to see even on agar.





The aerial myc will also have that sandy/granular look too, but it just hasn't turned green yet. Generally trich is MUCH more than the visible green spot.




TBH I've seen lots of people mistake trich for cobweb

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Here's also an example to show how similar trichs myc can actually be to cube myc, and how stress (shaking a jar/cutting the culture) will help sporulte/show trich. This is also a reason why it doesn't show up until after you've spawned.



Do you like to do a shake and recovery of your jars before you spawn them taGyo?


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Re: Three Stages Of Trich [Re: Mad Season]
    #22255945 - 09/18/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Three Stages Of Trich [Re: Mad Season]
    #22255957 - 09/18/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I've definitely mistaken trich for cobweb before but this time I just let all three jars develop as they may. The third one actually showed up out of nowhere, I think in one of the shots you can kind of see some of the mycelium.

I think a reason why people may mistake it for cobweb as well is speed. This thing colonized these jars in two or three days, the myc didn't stand a chance.

By the time I'm ready to spawn I've shaken once or twice. If a jar is really sketchy I'll shake it one more time and let it recover. Typically if I don't get 24-36 hour recovery in some form it's a contam. Some strains like PE will take 48-60 and I'll accept that but normally past two days with very little or no recovery is a very bad sign.

All of this trich showed up after a shake, if I had before pictures they all look like healthy cube myc with a spot of grey or two. One jar looked like bruised myc which was my first telltale that I wasn't going to be spawning these guys :laugh2:

Thanks for dropping by Mad,

Great first post in this thread :super:


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Re: Three Stages Of Trich [Re: taGyo]
    #22255991 - 09/18/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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This is what happens when the trichoderma spores make contact with fresh air, they sporulate (Release spores) and turn green.



I believe this should read "This is what happens when the trichoderma mycelium makes contact with fresh air".


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Re: Three Stages Of Trich [Re: Juiceh]
    #22255993 - 09/18/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Would it really be considered mycelium though? I agree, that needs to be changed but what do you call trichoderma's manifestation of mushroom mycelium, or is mycelium a general term?


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Re: Three Stages Of Trich [Re: taGyo]
    #22255999 - 09/18/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I believe so, yes. It is referred to as mycelium in mad seasons post above.


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Re: Three Stages Of Trich [Re: taGyo]
    #22256010 - 09/18/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Good info TaGyo!!! I definitely learned something...:themoreyouknow:


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Re: Three Stages Of Trich [Re: Darkhome]
    #22256016 - 09/18/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Fixed,

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Re: Three Stages Of Trich [Re: taGyo]
    #22256058 - 09/18/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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All of this trich showed up after a shake, if I had before pictures they all look like healthy cube myc with a spot of grey or two. One jar looked like bruised myc which was my first telltale that I wasn't going to be spawning these guys :laugh2:




:super: that's great shit to know! Fuck trich eh? Really this is why sab work is SO important. I know we've all had trich bombs happen to our rooms. The reason we can still grow is because of the knowledge we have of trichoderma.

It doesn't matter what you think. All that matters is clean spawn :lmafo:


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Re: Three Stages Of Trich [Re: Mad Season]
    #22256110 - 09/18/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:

:fuckinawesome:

Some of the pics aren't working already :lol:, gonna re-upload after I get my agar out of the PC.


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Re: Three Stages Of Trichn [Re: Mad Season]
    #22256142 - 09/18/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nice I was just checking on g2ging for my next move an wanted to look for problems that I'm sure  im gonna come across. An you put this up today....Good vibes comin your way....


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Re: Three Stages Of Trichn [Re: Hook420]
    #22256160 - 09/18/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:hippie:


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Re: Three Stages Of Trichn [Re: taGyo]
    #22256769 - 09/18/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:hugitout:


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Re: Three Stages Of Trichn [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22256793 - 09/18/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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:hugitout:



just a few more laws, regulations, and people thrown in jail and we will realize that man cannot eat feels.



Alan has said that most trich isn't even trich. but regardless if you see the spores of a rogue mold, it's too fucking late dude.


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Re: Three Stages Of Trichn [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22256950 - 09/18/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wish I had a microscope to accurately label it :/


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    #22333267 - 10/04/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:bumpthread: :hehehe:


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Re: Three Stages Of Trichn [Re: Mad Season]
    #22333426 - 10/04/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

good job man


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Re: Three Stages Of Trichn [Re: blackdust]
    #22333431 - 10/04/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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:bumpthread: :hehehe:



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good job man



Good job at doing a bad job :laugh2:

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Re: Three Stages Of Trichn [Re: taGyo]
    #22336903 - 10/05/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Wish I had a microscope to accurately label it :/



You can get a little pocket microscope for like $10-20. They have limited usefulness for identification but you can tell Aspergillus, Penicillium, Trichoderma apart once they've begun sporulating and you can sometimes do it without opening the jar.


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Re: Three Stages Of Trichn [Re: Kizzle]
    #22337297 - 10/05/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I had no idea those existed. So I went and scoured around my area only to be shut down hard. WHY? WHY DOES CANADA NEVER HAVE ANYTHING?!


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Re: Three Stages Of Trichn [Re: Mad Season]
    #22337553 - 10/05/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

weed growers use them to look at buds but even in america you can't just go buy them unless you have a science store or pretty awesome headshop in your town


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Re: Three Stages Of Trichn [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22337599 - 10/05/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i got one to look tricomes :thumbup:
they are only a few bucks online


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Re: Three Stages Of Trichn [Re: blackdust]
    #22338746 - 10/05/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have one of those :super:

I'll break it out tomorrow, it's still in the box.


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