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HostDisorder
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More a man than me. I have the courage for Psilocybin about 5 times a year. Acid on the other hand is a whole different story.
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Thayendanegea
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22379574 - 10/14/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol...Quote:
No kidding. But sometimes tripping IS my day job, so circumstances and people vary considerably.
....not many peeps can claim that for an occupation Primal...keep up the good work!
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Zulu The Most High
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^ i'm just wondering if it pays well 
lmao @ the turn this thread took in the last couple of pages
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No kidding. But sometimes tripping IS my day job, so circumstances and people vary considerably.
....not many peeps can claim that for an occupation Primal...keep up the good work!
If I could write it off on my taxes (assuming I paid taxes) I would consider it excellent. Not that it costs much to grow. 
And anyway, I've used them extensively for writing. It can be fucking amazing, and there's nothing else I've ever found like it (and I've tried a lot of stuff).
Once you get past the first five hundred or so trips it changes quite a bit IME.
Hard to explain, but it becomse less like someplace you go sometimes and more like someplace you actually used to live, but for some reason lost - and can regain.
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22380813 - 10/14/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well after these recent months, I've clearly answered my own question. This question can only be answered by oneself anyways since everyone's different. Now this has only been the last year or so of me frequently tripping. I seemed to have become attached with curiousity and wonder, but i couldn't tell you if I'll keep this habit or this frequency for there are priorities in life and the mind craves psychedelics only if it is beneficial and acceptable in that individual's eyes in that moment of time and space. Who knows... maybe one day you can meditate or lucid dream yourself into a trip.
I liked tripping weekly for awhile. Acid turned on me first. Then mushrooms became a little rough. All about the anxiety that was putting a damper on my trips. Im pretty sure it even caused a sciatica flareup. I wasn't tripping weekly during the summer months, but stuck to low doses when I did.
The past month or so, I tried using kratom and/or valium before or during the trip and holy shit, I could fly higher than ever before. Like way high doses and redoses of mushrooms. Same with L a few months ago actually. I think tripping that often put my body in a semi constant fight or flight mode previously. I became concerned and distracted by my health even while sober, hence the thread. I know it is kinda like cheating using anxiolytics for a psychedelic trip unless in case of emergency, but even just using them as a precursor seemed to let me break that barrier and go where I never trusted myself to go that far. I kniw some will frown upon this comnbination, but as someone who likes to trip usually 2-4 times a month ish, it helps me get more out of the experience. For example, I would get anxiety at certain points in the trip before which would focus my attention on my health and serve as a distraction to what I really use it for. I like to use it as a tool and ask the deepest questions and look within while meditating. And it's hard to do that when your skin is crawling and all you can do is worry sometimes. I can't have a bad trip if I've taken an anxiolytic.
I do take extended breaks and try to keep my priorities in check... like when I run out lol. But as I've grown up, I have realized the potential therapeutic qualities rather than just for recreational amusement. Moderation is key in life though and always listen to your body.
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: Heisencybin] 1
#22380907 - 10/14/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah dude, I don't recommend tripping at all if you need a xannie just to deal. One of the most healing aspects is learning to deal with fear, let go of the fear and conquer that anxiety. Popping benzos and opioids to avoid that is cheating yourself of the ability to rise to the challenge, to conquer that weak part of yourself. It really is diminishing the experience at that point, making it less about growth and more about diversion and escape.
Diversion and escape are alright every once in a while, but that's the path to addiction and abuse if it becomes a regular, frequent raison d'etre kind of thing. Other than a sleeping pill when the trip is over and I'm ready to crash, I try to only use some kind of adulterant every 3rd or 4th trip, otherwise you forget how to deal and you get lazy and I personally find the trips get flat, boring and lose the magic. They're colorful and splashy but you just don't get any learning or divinity from your trips when you run away from the fear.
If you do take something like MDMA, kratom or morphine at the beginning alongside your psychs, IMO it should be as a change of pace, special occasion deal or to explore new territories, not to hide from the negative aspects of the trip and ensure a light, happy party time every weekend.
You can conquer the fear on your own dude, and if you can't, then you should take a break for a few months and start over real slow until you're back in the saddle. I like hippy flips and I've enjoyed mixing morphine and mushrooms, but I make sure to still dose hard and deal with whatever comes my way the majority of the time I trip. IMO, nothing beats taking a long absence then taking a pure unadulterated heroic dose of mushrooms and having a religious experience.
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Heisencybin
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I can respect that. And i can admit I probably should take an extended break. I've definitely been in the process of building my life together and it's been a hectic year in general outside of tripping. But there is still a tradeoff.
Sometomes it's worth it IMO. It can be very therapeutic to be able to relax and trip while meditating with no anxiety whatsoever a couple times a month. Keep in mind, this is still a mind expanding and relatively safe experience. I guess you could say I don't want a ground shaking experience that makes me question whether I'm dying or not right now, but more of therapeutic meditation session. It's good to have both and not abuse the experience. Physically, it's safe and mentally it's beneficial if you can keep your anxiety/fears from spiraling out of control.
You may not learn and grow as much from a trip with an anxiolytic, but it's definitely more beneficial than a bad trip that leaves you feeling worse afterwards. I'll know when I'm ready to ride without training wheels again, but is it perverted to alter the natural trip? Is it even natural for a human being to alter the mind to such abstract extents this often? To glimpse the other side that often with or without the use of other drugs? Probably not. Once you get the message, walk away? Or does the mind adapt and learn to crave the experience in some mutual relationship between man and mushroom that tricks the mind into thinking it's normal? Or is just an act of addictive behavior between man and inebriation?
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: Heisencybin] 1
#22381347 - 10/14/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been tripping on average every two weeks for the last three and a half years, and that's not even including drugs like kratom, weed, GHB, etc. I tend to trip the most during the summer, sometimes even as often as 1-3 times per week for months at a time.
I always type up a trip report for myself after every experience and have so far written 150+ pages. Perhaps someday I'll publish some of them into a psychedelic memoir.
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: Acidreamer]
#22381458 - 10/14/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm so glad people trip as often as I do I thought I was the minority hearing about people only tripping like once or twice a year lol
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PrimalSoup
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Heisencybin said: Is it even natural for a human being to alter the mind to such abstract extents this often?
Well now, that's a pretty good question, and it kind of goes to the heart of the other question people rarely ask, which is "What the fuck is really going on with this stuff?" - one of my favorites. But I'm not going to tackle that one here though. 
Is it natural? Hmm. Tripping often feels like regaining a lost memory of something ancestral and innately human. Not in the sense of our modern limited linear world with all of its shitstorms of useless affectations, but rather in the fundamental sense of "these are human capacities." Maybe they were lost or de-emphasized somewhere along the way and these sort of drugs restore the balance. The capacity is still there, what you might choose to use it for is your freedom.
Because, once you get PAST the superficial aspects of tripping, IME you start finding something that really stands alone - or in select company - something that actually counts for more than the superficiality we're all generally spoon fed from birth.
I guess you could ask "Is it even natural for a human being to never alter their mind?"
IME it's not about some sort of craving. It's about what's actually out there, on what you might think is the "other side" - except that there are no sides there.
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22381981 - 10/15/15 05:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: In all honesty, I can't imagine having so much free time in life to be able to do psychs as much as some here do. My weekends are so tied up with positive normal things like going to kids/ grandkids soccer games, baseball games or having dinner with family or friends. Doing yardwork, reading, playing guitar...just normal fun life stuff. When I trip, i make it a whole day or night when I can pay attention to nothing but where the psychs take me...with little or no interference from outside sources....this time is sacred to me. I just can't imagine that tripping every single weekend or even more-often (not sure how that could be accomplished with a full time job or school) can be good for your overall psyche. It takes balance and integration into real life circumstance....not meant to overrule normal healthy life. I think tripping that often is just setting yourself up for depression at least on some scale.
I don't mean to sound condescending, but there is more to life. 
No kidding. But sometimes tripping IS my day job, so circumstances and people vary considerably.
Do you mean like some John Hopkins study or something where they pay volunteers to eat shrooms for research?
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Thayendanegea
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: wolf8312]
#22382413 - 10/15/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you mean like some John Hopkins study or something where they pay volunteers to eat shrooms for research?
No...Primal is researching all sorts of quantum theories and fascinating conjecture utilizing these enthogens as a catalyst to unlock some of the barriers that exist in a sober mind.....he is writing a book. If you want to know more about him...check out his journals.....most of what he talks about is above my intellect.lol
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22382625 - 10/15/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said:
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Thayendanegea said: lol...Quote:
No kidding. But sometimes tripping IS my day job, so circumstances and people vary considerably.
....not many peeps can claim that for an occupation Primal...keep up the good work!
If I could write it off on my taxes (assuming I paid taxes) I would consider it excellent. Not that it costs much to grow. 
And anyway, I've used them extensively for writing. It can be fucking amazing, and there's nothing else I've ever found like it (and I've tried a lot of stuff).
Once you get past the first five hundred or so trips it changes quite a bit IME.
Hard to explain, but it becomse less like someplace you go sometimes and more like someplace you actually used to live, but for some reason lost - and can regain. 
.. I haven't found anyone on here who really trips quite like PrimalSoup!. ...... he does some of the most interesting things with his trip of anybody I've read about on here!
....Dude respects the mush bigtime!
.... PROPS!
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voodoochild1000
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Thayendanegea said:
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Do you mean like some John Hopkins study or something where they pay volunteers to eat shrooms for research?
No...Primal is researching all sorts of quantum theories and fascinating conjecture utilizing these enthogens as a catalyst to unlock some of the barriers that exist in a sober mind.....he is writing a book. If you want to know more about him...check out his journals.....most of what he talks about is above my intellect.lol
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....Yeah, Primal is out there!..love it!
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PrimalSoup
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Thayendanegea said:
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Do you mean like some John Hopkins study or something where they pay volunteers to eat shrooms for research?
No...Primal is researching all sorts of quantum theories and fascinating conjecture utilizing these enthogens as a catalyst to unlock some of the barriers that exist in a sober mind.....he is writing a book. If you want to know more about him...check out his journals.....most of what he talks about is above my intellect.lol
Yeah, well, somebody has to do it.
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Edited by PrimalSoup (10/15/15 01:38 PM)
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voodoochild1000
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22383581 - 10/15/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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...I wanna trip with Primal....
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Thayendanegea
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voodoochild1000 said:
...I wanna trip with Primal....
me too
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paperbackwriter
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voodoochild1000 said:
...I wanna trip with Primal....
Yeah, Primal is one of my favorite posters down here.
To the OP, if you're still around (this is an old thread after all), I trip about 2-4 times a month and have been doing so now for a few years. I've learned a lot about myself and probably come away with more questions than absolute answers. I think the biggest take away for me right now is learning to be okay with uncertainty.
Anyway I love to trip and as long as I don't take it too seriously I don't think it's been bad for my mental health or anything.
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voodoochild1000
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...I wanna trip with Primal....
me too
...he only trips solo....I invited him!
...C'mon Primal!...coast trip in 2 weeks! 
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paperbackwriter
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I kinda figured him for a solo tripper. I can relate. Sometimes I dose when we have company over and it's alright but it's not quite the same as my solo trips. Hard to lose myself when I'm trying to follow a conversation
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