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PrimalSoup
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: wolf8312]
#22260596 - 09/19/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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wolf8312 said: Well for one thing even if you compensate and double your last dose the trip is never as astounding as after waiting a month or so.
One word - tea.
Didn't read the rest.
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22260901 - 09/19/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I always use tea!
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wolf8312 said: Well for one thing even if you compensate and double your last dose the trip is never as astounding as after waiting a month or so.
One word - tea.
Didn't read the rest. 
I doubt anyone did, bunch of stoned slackers!
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: wolf8312]
#22261142 - 09/19/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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People say that tolerance takes 2 weeks to go, but I saw this chart once (no idea how accurate but looks like it was part of a study) that showed that probably 80% of that tolerance is gone within the first 3/4 days, and then it slowly goes down over the next week or whatever.
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: wolf8312]
#22263575 - 09/20/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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wolf8312 said: Well for one thing even if you compensate and double your last dose the trip is never as astounding as after waiting a month or so.
For me these are the kind of trips that tend to be warm and welcome me back as an old friend, but I can quickly out stay my welcome.
I think even a week isn't long enough and increases the risk of bad or much darker depressive type trips but of course thats maybe just me.
Dosing too often can for some mean 'chasing it' as with any drug and often people find they are tripping every week just because they lack something to fill the void that would be there if they didnt do so. Like PS said do you think you are able to stop, and why exactly do you feel the need to trip every week anyway? Where does such fidgety impatience come from?
People are often either unable to comprehend or are just not honest with themselves about their true motives for tripping all the time. People who talk about 'sacred learning experiences' are often in actuality just bored silly like everyone else!
When I look back to when I was younger and tripping as much as I could, I can see now that I was in a sense addicted to psychedelics. My motivation for using them evolved over time from actually loving them to using them because thats who I felt I was, and had to continue to be. It got to the point where I was having bad trips each time and yet still continued to trip!
In a way I was day to day, in a state of sanity but already insane at this point repeating the same mistake but expecting different results each time.
Eventually I experienced a psychotic breakdown and was hospitalized...
At the time I had no conscious awareness that my fear of stopping psychedelics was worse even than my growing fear of psychedelics, but it was this inability to stop despite all the warning signs that doomed me to the genuine Hell on earth, that is the psychotic breakdown.. Cannabis too of course!
Examining my own motivations, I was a very lonely and unhappy individual at that time, and was using psychedelics and the astounding experience that they produced to convince myself that it was I myself who was special. It was all part of an identity I created for myself but really was textbook overcompensation.
Without psychedelics I didnt have anything else and was terrified of what I would do or be without them. They were the only thing that made me special and I had this ridiculous image of myself as some kind of far out and misunderstood genius!
At that time I felt I didnt have anybody else, and didnt believe I really had a future. I have no idea where I could possibly of thought I was going back then and at what point had I chosen to choose psychedelic drugs over life itself.
Part of me thinks I chose to continue because the only way to stop the train was to crash it, and to be honest I didnt use psychedlics for a long time after the break.
Its a strange contradiction indeed that someone would for egotistical reasons use an ego attacking drug like LSD in order to somehow escape from reality and his subconcious by facing it head on! The results were predictably disastrous! It does happen quite alot though and I have seen others on the shroomery who fit a similar profile.
Be sure to honestly examine your own life and ask yourself truthfully if you are a happy person and get the hell away from psychdelic drugs if the answer to this question is negative. Its difficult to warn people like this however because they are deluding themselves.
I've said it before but I think its solid advice:- if you are using these substances be sure to take care that you are basing psychedelics around your life, and not basing your life around psychedelics.
Psychedelics do not in any way deserve that level of attention, and if you find yourself thinking about nothing else take stock!
I think I used to spend all my time either reading, writing, talking about, preparing, or actually doing psychedelics. It was just not a healthy mindset!
OK gonna now check if this has anything whatsoever to do with the OP!
Lol damned Kratom rambles!
Haha thanks for your story. Its scary how similar our stories kinda are. I've been in a situation abusing lsd so I know how that goes. Gotta show them respect and not use out of boredom. I've grown out of obsessing about it so much, and use them as tools more so these days, but obviously still are probably too big a part in my life at the moment. I still have a full filling life with other interests and hobbies, but tripping that often takes a lot of preparation and energy on its own, which gets in the way of other more productive habits in life. I'm sure I'll lay off the weekly/bi-weekly trips here soon. I still have a blast each time, but i can sense the change in the magic. Nice to have a break of clarity anyways. I have my best times tripping once a month. Perhaps it is my immaturity/addictive nature and young age that keeps me bored and somewhat addicted to the experience. But I've already seen the darker sides to using too often. I think i agree using weekly that long is abuse in a way. But i kinda wait for the trips to tell me when I need a break and to live life soberly for awhile.
And very true, the desire does die down. It's when you force a trip anyways out of habit, when it can become darker and not as fun anymore. They will let you know... or should I say your subconscious will let you know when it needs a break.
As for hippy vs candy flipping, I think lsd and mdma would be fun at low doses, especially lsd. Hippy flipping sounds even more fun since shrooms can kinda make me lethargic and not want to move or do anything except meditate haha. One day thoufh... one day
I guess my main point of this post was to discern whether I will do damage over time to myself tripping minimum once a month. Psychologically I feel that it can help my depression and motivation to become who psychedelics show who I really am. But it also seems that over time, my mind has become better acquainted with tripping and I can handle anything thrown at me at this point. So chances for psychosis or a mental break are down since I'm used to using them in a meditative fashion. But since there isn't much research yet, it's hard to say if I'm doing brain/nerve damage or anything long term really. I mean I'd love to be a guy who trips into his older years without any problems, but it seems quite uncommon as people generally grow up and move onto other things. Obviously I wouldn't be tripping nearly as much as I get older though.I did take 3 years off in college and a couple more years of only tripping a couple times each. But aince i graduated and have the time, mktivstion and love for psychedelics (and grow), this lifestyle has bloomed into easycto maintain as desired. I did take 3 years off in college and a couple more years of only tripping a couple times each. But aince i graduated and have the time, mktivstion and love for psychedelics (and grow), this lifestyle bloomed into a habit that is easycto maintain as desired.
But for now, I shall keep my spiritual rituals of tripping at least once a month ish. The best form of therapy and "worship" in my opinion. Sometimes I'll just meditate soberly and start seeing trippy visions and such. I kinda feel like I've restructured new neural pathways that are becoming more permanent from tripping so often. Or perhaps it has just enhanced the cognitive abilities that are fired during meditation. Has made lucid dreaming and meditation seem to flow more naturally like my brain has gone through a form of epigenetics and neuroplasticity and restructured possibly permanently. Research does show the brain activity is similar during tripping and meditation so this makes sense. In that line of thought, I would think it is healthy to have these "enhanced cognitive abilities," if you would even call it that. Or perhaps I'm delusional. Either way, I'm a happier, calmer, healthier, more creative and active since I've dived into the psychonaut world at the age of 18, now almost 25. This all could also be related to the fact that I am aging and maturing naturally anyways and psychedelics have little to do with my perceptions. Perhaps i am giving them too much credit instead of to myself for growing into who I am. Hard to say what I would be like without all these experiences.
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Exactly man. I was tripping every week religiously but now I see waiting is the best option
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I usually trip whenever I feel like it. Sometimes that can mean only a week, but now it's ever 2-3 weeks minimum. Although if I feel like I wanna trip, I still will.
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: Achillita]
#22264523 - 09/20/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I trip like once every 3-6 months, can't see myself doing it weekly, I would have no reason to
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I could never wait that long haha I wait like 3 weeks to a month max. Usually smoke dmt In between my mushroom and LSD trips
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Something about them just makes me want to keep the experience extremely special, I have only ever had a breakthrough experience once when I took 3.5g dried and achieved total loss of ego, its a very emotional and moving process for me I don't really seek out all too often.. I still don't feel up to taking that much again even after over a year now, I trip on 2.5g - 3g max every 3-6 months though just for fun, don't get any visuals or anything or any deep thought patterns/headspace of a trip like 3.5g, just general mind stimulation which I enjoy, maybe someday I will go for an ego death experience again but it's something you really only need to experience once, it's a very powerful and moving experience that I don't feel like having again for some reason, maybe some day, it's definitely not a "fun" experience in anyway, it's a moving personal and spiritual lesson every time, more like a lecture from the gods for me
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I feel that for sure man. I don't eat heroic doses that often but I do trip pretty hard when I do. I only seek out ego death experiences maybe 2-3 times a year
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I go through 2 oz a month myself and my girl goes through 16 grams. We love em, id rather trip on booms than get all drunk. I love heroic doses though. 12-14 grams is my normal dose every week for 4-6 weeks then I'll take a couple weeks off.
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wolf8312 said: I guess my main point of this post was to discern whether I will do damage over time to myself tripping minimum once a month.
Once a year, once a month, once a week, no, not at all. Mushrooms are one of the most innocuous substances in that regard.
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I was tripping about every week for a summer until i had a really gnarly, not so comfortable, existential crisis but not bad trip. Although i wasn't respecting the mushrooms too much at the time like you were, i was just tripping sack with friends or just alone with music in my room. I'd do it over again though, I'd say just listen to your body/mind and trip. After that gnarly one though i only trip like once every month to get a good perspective/overview of my life.
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PrimalSoup said:
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wolf8312 said: I guess my main point of this post was to discern whether I will do damage over time to myself tripping minimum once a month.
Once a year, once a month, once a week, no, not at all. Mushrooms are one of the most innocuous substances in that regard. 
Just to be clear I never said that!
Hard to say Heisencybin. Some people do indeed come to grief when they start using psychedelics on a habitual basis. Like I was saying in the other post, I think you gotta carefully analyze your own mental state and work out if you are stable enough to be doing psychedelics at this point in your life. How are the trips themselves? When you trip do you feel somethings telling you not to continue?
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Perhaps i am giving them too much credit instead of to myself for growing into who I am. Hard to say what I would be like without all these experiences.
Yeah alot of people talk about being changed forever by psychedelics but I feel looking back the only trip that had any significant life-changing effects was my psychotic break but that is something quite different than a trip anyhow with cannabis playing I think the biggest role.
Otherwise with good trips, and bad, its pretty hard to determine if they affected me either positively or negatively really. I know mushrooms have me feeling great for about a week afterwards but other than that life goes on, and I forget all about them.
You can use them every week without any physical problems but I still say longer breaks are much better and healthier mentally or at least they certainly are for me anyway.
Trips I find after a long break, are almost always ecstatic, as if the spirits themselves are so much kinder, rolling out the red carpet, to welcome me back as someone they are curious to see!
These wondeful experiences can get me back to doing them every week again until eventually I have a really bad one, and the wounded beast once more slouches back off into his caves to sleep!
Its more a spiritual position than scientific but I got the feeling over the years that we are supposed to go away after our journeys, and let them sink in.
In any case, IMOE, if I start tripping too much things soon start to get ugly!
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PrimalSoup
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: wolf8312]
#22267549 - 09/20/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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wolf8312 said: PrimalSoup said:
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wolf8312 said: I guess my main point of this post was to discern whether I will do damage over time to myself tripping minimum once a month.
Once a year, once a month, once a week, no, not at all. Mushrooms are one of the most innocuous substances in that regard. 
Just to be clear I never said that!
Damn, you're right. OP said that, what I replied too. Screwed up quotes =
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: wolf8312]
#22267567 - 09/20/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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wolf8312 said: Trips I find after a long break, are almost always ecstatic, as if the spirits themselves are so much kinder, rolling out the red carpet, to welcome me back as someone they are curious to see!
I get that too, but for me the trips that are the most useful/meaningful/productive are the ones I get into after a few days of straight tripping (allowing always for tolerance). There's this stripping away of the superficial ego layers that occurs with the first trip after a break, and some people like that to the exclusion of the deeper journey you can take after that preliminary work is done. There's a reason why when you go on a meditation retreat it doesn't last just one day. *disclaimer - not that I've ever done that - the inner work with mushrooms has proved totally satisfactory to me so far.*
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22268325 - 09/21/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks guys. I agree with waiting at least 2-3 weeks in between trips. Longer for lsd, for me at least. My trips have been mostly positive but can get a little down if used every week for a month or longer. I think as we psychonauts age, those neural pathways created from psychedelics may become permanent due to neuroplasticity and won't need or really desire to trip since you can meditate and basically have very similar visions. This is just my opinion though. Like I said before, I already have this skill when I'm sober meditating and through my dreams.
It's easy for new, younger psychonauts to abuse these substances recreationally, but the message becomes quite clear through experience and wisdom that they are to be used as tools, not drugs to dull emotional dissatisfaction. I've learned this the hard way, as I'm sure many have
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I'm a happy motherfucker and I trip ALOT
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Yeah, bro - to each their own.
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Re: Anyone trip this much? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22271630 - 09/21/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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wolf8312 said: Trips I find after a long break, are almost always ecstatic, as if the spirits themselves are so much kinder, rolling out the red carpet, to welcome me back as someone they are curious to see!
I get that too, but for me the trips that are the most useful/meaningful/productive are the ones I get into after a few days of straight tripping (allowing always for tolerance). There's this stripping away of the superficial ego layers that occurs with the first trip after a break, and some people like that to the exclusion of the deeper journey you can take after that preliminary work is done. There's a reason why when you go on a meditation retreat it doesn't last just one day. *disclaimer - not that I've ever done that - the inner work with mushrooms has proved totally satisfactory to me so far.*
I agree with this completely. I pretty much advocate periods of concentrated usage, followed by breaks and increasingly infrequent usage.
If you are like these people who only trip once every few months and want it to be all "special", then yes, you will most likely have a very awesome experience. But I am more interested in how psychedelics can help to heal spiritually and emotionally and evolve as a being, rather than just having the most awesome trip. With very infrequent tripping, you just peel back the most superficial ego layers as you said, and then they have plenty of time to grow back before your next trip if you wait 2 months or so.
When you trip frequently, the experience certainly isn't as magical but that doesn't necessarily mean you can't accomplish real growth and healing with it. What you take away from a trip is not measured by how "magical" the trip was.
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