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Are these massive Libs or something else?
    #22254947 - 09/18/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Found these today and the larger ones I'm not 100 percent sure of and one or two of the smaller ones I'm a bit unsure.

I generally don't find them as large as that, is that them fully grown or is this another species altogether?

The only two I am 100 sure of is the one in the middle and the dinky one at the end on the left.

Cheers guys



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Re: Are these massive Libs or something else? [Re: Sand87]
    #22255006 - 09/18/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Second from right is Protostropharia semiglobata. The rest look like libs to me. Check to see if you can wrap the stems around your finger.


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Re: Are these massive Libs or something else? [Re: Untitled]
    #22255086 - 09/18/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks mate, any reason the other two beside it aren't?


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Re: Are these massive Libs or something else? [Re: Sand87]
    #22255567 - 09/18/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'd say the same at first glance (he said they all were libs other than the one mentioned second from the right S.semiglobata), not sure if it's dirt or lighting but it looks like that same mushroom (the proposed Stropharia) has a little blue at the base? Is it just my eyes?


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Re: Are these massive Libs or something else? [Re: Sand87]
    #22255573 - 09/18/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Also, did you mean why aren't the other two libs or why aren't they Stropharia?


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Re: Are these massive Libs or something else? [Re: 61n63]
    #22255609 - 09/18/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry mate I meant why the other two weren't Protostropharia semiglobata as they look similar but I've looked properly and there are some very slight differences.

Cheers for replies, I haven't seen many fully grown large Libs like that for some reason, I wonder if they get eaten before they get so big.


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Re: Are these massive Libs or something else? [Re: Sand87]
    #22255717 - 09/18/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

...they tend to disintegrate most of the time before getting too enormous but there are exceptions. Also, the wider ones may be Psilocybe strictipes in some cases, they are generally wider although the striations of the cap are longer on strictipes.

In your particular picture the reason I'd say that the other two aren't a S.semiglobata is because:

1)Cap margin (libs tend to have a wrinkled striate (gills visible from outside) margin on the cap, stained the colour of the spores)

2)Lack of papilus (nipple)

3)Straw colouration of the Stropharia stem

4)Stropharia gills don't ascend into the cap as much as dramatically as P.semilanceata, they lie on a flat plane with the cap margin for a good part of their length.

5)Stropharia stems are generally straight as opposed to the convoluted stem of a lib; there are exceptions though...

It's all of these factors together that would lead me to ID as I have.

At risk of sounding like a broken record (I've mentioned a few times to others) type into google 'semilanceata gelatinous pellicle' and you'll see what you get if you try peel a semilanceata or a strictipes. If you're not sure when picking, try peeling. It's an important feature and easy to do.

Hope this helps.


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Re: Are these massive Libs or something else? [Re: 61n63]
    #22255731 - 09/18/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah that's a brilliant reply mate thanks very much


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Re: Are these massive Libs or something else? [Re: Sand87]
    #22255742 - 09/18/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No problem man, happy hunting :smile:


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Re: Are these massive Libs or something else? [Re: 61n63]
    #22255758 - 09/18/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

they lie on a flat plane with the cap margin for a good part of their length.



I was trying to describe this feature (in text) the other day lol but i couldn't so gave up. But yes that is one of the best identifying features of that species.


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Re: Are these massive Libs or something else? [Re: Untitled]
    #22255774 - 09/18/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

..it took some thinking about, not really sure what the proper mycology terminology would be though, will have to look it up.


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Re: Are these massive Libs or something else? [Re: 61n63]
    #22255967 - 09/18/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It would be very useful because it is extremely difficult to describe. It would be one of the times where the proper mycological terms really is less confusing.


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Re: Are these massive Libs or something else? [Re: Untitled]
    #22256129 - 09/18/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Are you guys talking about the slimey stuff that you can get on fresh ones?


if so then what if the mushrooms has dried a bit?

the large ones in my pics are big and probably [?] quite old so it didn't look like I could peel anything off...


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Re: Are these massive Libs or something else? [Re: Sand87]
    #22256358 - 09/18/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's the stuff yeah, ideally you do it as you pick, that way when you get back you know all you have is actives. It may be possible to rehydrate with a few drops of water and try but I've never tried that so couldn't say if it would work. Will try it out after my next pick though and post the results. You shouldn't need to do it with the lot you've picked though as I'm confident we've ID'd them sufficiently.


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