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New House--Have an Empty Room. Advice for Set-Up Lion's Mane
    #22254529 - 09/18/15 04:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hello,

So, I recently moved into a new place and we have an empty basement room that I'd like to try to cultivate some Lion's Mane in.

I was considering getting a few plastic shelf sets from Walmart or the like to make a fruiting chamber, but I'd love to hear/see anyone's set-ups they've had for L.M. or other species.

I was hoping to do this fairly simply--maybe a plastic sheeting as a housing around the shelving units with a bubbler hose attachment, then perhaps some strategically placed aquarium heaters. This may be too uneven,though. Not sure.

Really, though, I'd like to hear suggestions or advice. I did try searching the archives but found several older posts with deleted pics. Was hoping some others could enlighten me.

Thanks!

Also: I have basic grain inoculation and pasteurization down. Just looking for a fruiting chamber and incubation ideas for several bags of substrate.


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Re: New House--Have an Empty Room. Advice for Set-Up Lion's Mane [Re: UnAbridged]
    #22255460 - 09/18/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hi UnAbridged,

I just started building my basement grow room after I ran out of room in my closet, so I won't be able to post any pictures, but I think I can add a few things.

Is your basement finished or unfinished?  I've got carpeting in mine, so what I'm doing right now is creating a fake foundation out of 2x4's and OSB so I can install a drain for drips.

It sounds like you're considering doing a Martha.  There are a bunch of tek's for Martha construction in the actives section, so if you do a quick search, you'll be able to find a bunch of pictures that sound similar to the setup you're looking for. 

I'm not exactly sure what you're thinking about doing with the aquarium heaters.  If you're worried about temperature, you should be alright for the next few months until winter comes around.

As far as the bubbler, I don't think you'll get enough airflow as LM is incredibly sensitive to CO2.  I'd just recommend a CoolMist humidifier sitting inside your FC.  It'll provide both humidity and FAE in the right proportions. 

When you say you have grain inoculation and pasteurization down, my first thought was that you're planning on using a LC syringe and that you've looked into growing oysters before.  I could be wrong here, but if that's the case, using any LC (even from a vendor) is risky in that contams are impossible to spot without growing the culture out on agar first.  Secondly, while possible, LM isn't typically grown on straw, it's grown on wood, which means you'll need to sterilize, not pasteurize.

Good luck on your grow!


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Re: New House--Have an Empty Room. Advice for Set-Up Lion's Mane [Re: shroombasa]
    #22255732 - 09/18/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I grow H. erinaceus on fuel pellets. Works well, but mine are outside, so they get optimum conditions. I pasteurized using Lipa's tek.



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Re: New House--Have an Empty Room. Advice for Set-Up Lion's Mane [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22256002 - 09/18/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

what do you do in the cold months though?  Nebraska gets chilly no/?


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Re: New House--Have an Empty Room. Advice for Set-Up Lion's Mane [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22256006 - 09/18/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I stand corrected.


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Re: New House--Have an Empty Room. Advice for Set-Up Lion's Mane [Re: midnightmaraude]
    #22256018 - 09/18/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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what do you do in the cold months though?  Nebraska gets chilly no/?




This is really my first season of growing mushrooms.  Right now I have king oyster colonizing, and have ordered some blue oyster spawn to make bags.  When it starts to be  consistently freezing temperatures, I have to just bring some in, and put them in  SGFCs.


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Re: New House--Have an Empty Room. Advice for Set-Up Lion's Mane [Re: shroombasa]
    #22256025 - 09/18/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I stand corrected.




From what I understand, it is true, that if you supplement, you will have to sterilize. In my case, it helps that fuel pellets are pretty sterile to begin with.


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Re: New House--Have an Empty Room. Advice for Set-Up Lion's Mane [Re: Jim Morrison]
    #22256030 - 09/18/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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what do you do in the cold months though?  Nebraska gets chilly no/?




This is really my first season of growing mushrooms.  Right now I have king oyster colonizing, and have ordered some blue oyster spawn to make bags.  When it starts to be  consistently freezing temperatures, I have to just bring some in, and put them in  SGFCs.





I had some king oysters last night I bought from a store.  I didn't care for the taste so much.. well the caps were good but not the stalks.  I'm hoping my blue oysters will take better.


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Re: New House--Have an Empty Room. Advice for Set-Up Lion's Mane [Re: shroombasa]
    #22256072 - 09/18/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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shroombasa said:
Hi UnAbridged,

I just started building my basement grow room after I ran out of room in my closet, so I won't be able to post any pictures, but I think I can add a few things.

Is your basement finished or unfinished?  I've got carpeting in mine, so what I'm doing right now is creating a fake foundation out of 2x4's and OSB so I can install a drain for drips.

It sounds like you're considering doing a Martha.  There are a bunch of tek's for Martha construction in the actives section, so if you do a quick search, you'll be able to find a bunch of pictures that sound similar to the setup you're looking for. 

I'm not exactly sure what you're thinking about doing with the aquarium heaters.  If you're worried about temperature, you should be alright for the next few months until winter comes around.

As far as the bubbler, I don't think you'll get enough airflow as LM is incredibly sensitive to CO2.  I'd just recommend a CoolMist humidifier sitting inside your FC.  It'll provide both humidity and FAE in the right proportions. 

When you say you have grain inoculation and pasteurization down, my first thought was that you're planning on using a LC syringe and that you've looked into growing oysters before.  I could be wrong here, but if that's the case, using any LC (even from a vendor) is risky in that contams are impossible to spot without growing the culture out on agar first.  Secondly, while possible, LM isn't typically grown on straw, it's grown on wood, which means you'll need to sterilize, not pasteurize.

Good luck on your grow!




The basement isn't finished, so it's smooth concrete surfaces to work with. I think I remember the Martha being mentioned...will look into that.
Yes, I was going to use an LC from a vendor. I was hoping that, given that's their job, their LC would not be contaminated. I was hopefully going to innoc some other LC jars from the LC I bought and then use this amount of LC to innoc several grain jars.
From what I've read of Lipa's tek, if you use fuel pellets, you don't need to sterilize--I think someone mentioned that here.

I guess my next question is the kind of bags I'd need--I should probably just search that. Haven't ever created injection ports with RTV silicone on a bag before. Hope the silicone holds. Or do I need a different port tek?

Thanks again for any advice. I'll do some searching so I'm not redundant on some of these points.

Anyone have experience building a flowhood? Just wondered how much work that actually was. Passed some very fine particulate (bacterial) HEPA filters in Walmart the other day--not too expensive. But I need to do some reading on this. Maybe I'll stick with the glovebox for now. :smile:


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Re: New House--Have an Empty Room. Advice for Set-Up Lion's Mane [Re: UnAbridged]
    #22257648 - 09/18/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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UnAbridged said:
The basement isn't finished, so it's smooth concrete surfaces to work with. I think I remember the Martha being mentioned...will look into that.
Yes, I was going to use an LC from a vendor. I was hoping that, given that's their job, their LC would not be contaminated. I was hopefully going to innoc some other LC jars from the LC I bought and then use this amount of LC to innoc several grain jars.
From what I've read of Lipa's tek, if you use fuel pellets, you don't need to sterilize--I think someone mentioned that here.

I guess my next question is the kind of bags I'd need--I should probably just search that. Haven't ever created injection ports with RTV silicone on a bag before. Hope the silicone holds. Or do I need a different port tek?

Thanks again for any advice. I'll do some searching so I'm not redundant on some of these points.

Anyone have experience building a flowhood? Just wondered how much work that actually was. Passed some very fine particulate (bacterial) HEPA filters in Walmart the other day--not too expensive. But I need to do some reading on this. Maybe I'll stick with the glovebox for now. :smile:




Our greenhouse has 2" rigid insulation along the concrete walls, 1 5/8" steel studs against the insulation and then 6mil poly screwed to the studs. And lots of tuct tape :P

Air exchanges are handled (poorly, miscalculated our cfm needs) by a heat recovery ventilator, definitely get the biggest you can afford.

These filters come highly recommended. Cheap and loud hood fans can be found on Craigslist, look for used bouncy castle blowers. The fabric wears out but the 1000cfm doesn't, I got one for $20 :smile:

We recently got some LC and had great success using the high temp silicon port with EasyFelt GE ports. Good luck!


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Re: New House--Have an Empty Room. Advice for Set-Up Lion's Mane [Re: moonlightmushrooms]
    #22258075 - 09/18/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks! :smile:


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Re: New House--Have an Empty Room. Advice for Set-Up Lion's Mane [Re: UnAbridged]
    #22258135 - 09/18/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

+1 on the astrocell, and ez felt lids, you dont even need hi temp silicone, just melt a hole in the lid using a 1/4 socket and stick the felt on while hot. The molten plastic fuses to the ez felt. I've been using my same lids for over 10 cycles with no failures.

Depending on your size and budget apparently the hydrofogger or hydrofogger mini is the bees knees for medium sized grow ops. I haven't used one personally but have read good reviews about them for mushroom cultivation. If its not within your budget you can easily get away with a drove of ultrasonics on some sort of timer or humidistat setup.

With the shelving i currently have a martha style grow chamber and im not a huge fan of all the nooks and crannies i need to clean. Hanging poly logs by a simple bar or hook is probably the easiest and cheapest to get off the ground if you have the space. Pails are also nice because since can stack them but cleaning can take some time, they are costly new and can be hard to find in large quantities used. Good luck and welcome to the forum.


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Re: New House--Have an Empty Room. Advice for Set-Up Lion's Mane [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22259077 - 09/19/15 06:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I hope your basement nice and dry?
I stopped growing in the basement because my current house and the previous one both had a "musty" smell in the basement.
Musty smell = mold spores, so contamination is a problem.
Moved my operation upstairs to a large closet.


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Re: New House--Have an Empty Room. Advice for Set-Up Lion's Mane [Re: flugelizor]
    #22259768 - 09/19/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I hope your basement nice and dry?
I stopped growing in the basement because my current house and the previous one both had a "musty" smell in the basement.
Musty smell = mold spores, so contamination is a problem.
Moved my operation upstairs to a large closet.




A dry basement is an oxymoron, even with good drainage you still battle moisture underground. Treat your concrete with a mold resistant paint system. Then run a dehumidifier outside your grow room if your still having mildew issues. This is a good idea even if your not planing to grow down there. If your lucky you can hook the dehumidifier to a drain for almost zero maintenance.  There's a ton more room in a basement than a closet if you plan to expand your grow.


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