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DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals * 1
    #22254460 - 09/18/15 03:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

September 17th, 2015

First the FBI, now the DEA. It seems the federal government has a bone to pick with music festivals.

After news of the FBI having undercovers at Burning Man broke last week, news from LA Weekly confirms that the DEA is providing their own “plain clothes” officers at music events like Labor Day weekend’s Nocturnal Wonderland.

    “I can confirm our Riverside DEA office indeed assist the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Office with enforcement activities at the festival,” said DEA spokesman Timothy Massino.

The festival, which attracted around 85,000 attendees over the weekend, also saw a staggering number of arrests, totaling around 300 for the duration of the event, as well as 32 hospitalizations (only one remained hospitalized by the Friday after the event). Of the arrests, “37 of them were federal cases prompting arrests by the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.”

    “There’s clearly a huge synthetic drug problem in the scene,” Massino said. “It’s rampantly distributed. Based on the increased prevalence of the stuff, I could see being asked to do this more often — to come out and assist with these operations.”

    “The state and local agencies are cracking down. If they invite us, odds are we’re going to come play.”


This is not the first report of undercover agents at music festivals. Lightning In A Bottle 2013 was attended by “undercover deputies from the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department’s Special Investigations Bureau” wherein “fifty-eight arrests were made.” Similarly, this year’s Electric Zoo festival was heavily criticized on social media for its police presence and suspicious of heavy undercover presence.

Again, this is not the first report of incidents like these at music festivals. However, it is troubling that state and federal entities are putting so much focus on these “high-profile” deaths – like the two women who died at HARD Summer – considering that electronic music festivals are not alone in deaths, yet seem to bear the brunt of the scrutiny. No death is an acceptable death, but work needs to be done across the board to make music festivals everywhere safer.

http://www.youredm.com/2015/09/16/federal-agency-presence-at-festivals-rising-in-response-to-high-profile-deaths/


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: Ogla]
    #22254525 - 09/18/15 04:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Who were they going after though? I wouldn't be surprised if it was vendors selling shit not just going after festival goers?


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: thebitterbuffalo26] * 1
    #22254605 - 09/18/15 05:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Well, duh :wink:.  Be careful out there folks.  Bring your positive energy and don't swim like a big fish!  Leave it to the professionals.  Don't go to make money.  Go to have fun.

Ignore the fact that you're surrounded by obvious plain-clothes cops.  Just get weirder!

Remember that the good ones will blend right in.  Trust your gut.  Be discreet.


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: Sidestreet]
    #22254656 - 09/18/15 06:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They cracked down hard on the dead scene in the 1990's, hope this isn't going to be another round of that type of shit in the festival scene.  EDM festivals are way worse for people selling garbage than jam band festivals, hopefully they leave us alone.


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: fapjack]
    #22255643 - 09/18/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just ran into an agent at Soundtribe. Could tell instantly. Dressed the pig up in a dead shirt, jeans and sandals with an obviously purposefully scraggly beard. I am sure there is one at every show. If u see one, alert somebody. We all need to be safe.

There's something about the way they talk to you, with no fear and a huge ego. They will ask things like: "is so - and - sos shit pure? Or real? Or they'll straight up ask you where stuff is (most people don't do that to strangers.) Always look for shades, and as cliche as this sounds, look at their eyes. Do they look like the eyes of a stoned tripping festival goer? Or are they obviously stone cold sober? You can always tell by their beady little clear eyes. Also try and get them to smoke with u, they can't and won't. And if you're really sure, DOSE THAT PATHETIC PEICE OF SHIT. FOLLOW YOUR GUT.


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: FractalMind]
    #22256334 - 09/18/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Just ran into an agent at Soundtribe. Could tell instantly. Dressed the pig up in a dead shirt, jeans and sandals with an obviously purposefully scraggly beard. I am sure there is one at every show. If u see one, alert somebody. We all need to be safe.

There's something about the way they talk to you, with no fear and a huge ego. They will ask things like: "is so - and - sos shit pure? Or real? Or they'll straight up ask you where stuff is (most people don't do that to strangers.) Always look for shades, and as cliche as this sounds, look at their eyes. Do they look like the eyes of a stoned tripping festival goer? Or are they obviously stone cold sober? You can always tell by their beady little clear eyes. Also try and get them to smoke with u, they can't and won't. And if you're really sure, DOSE THAT PATHETIC PEICE OF SHIT. FOLLOW YOUR GUT.




Chop it up to paranoia, but I swear there are undercovers  at the local bar. Seems like new cats be entering the scene dressing ganster but look fake as fuck. They go around and try pushing sales of dope and seem a little too open about it.  I mean who doesn't try keeping a low profile when they hustle? It could be that or the fact I'm wired half the times I talk to these dudes. Ither way, not worth the risk.


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: Ogla]
    #22256511 - 09/18/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's what always tips me off, they are always incredibly to the point of "yo I got anything u need, been having good connects, also I'm looking to buy x or y, u know where I could find some? Oh I got some z for sale if u want that btw." And I'm like hello...? Never met u before and your just gonna come out with that shit?! Beady eyed broad chinned motherfucker


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: FractalMind]
    #22257823 - 09/18/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Just ran into an agent at Soundtribe. Could tell instantly. Dressed the pig up in a dead shirt, jeans and sandals with an obviously purposefully scraggly beard. I am sure there is one at every show. If u see one, alert somebody. We all need to be safe.

There's something about the way they talk to you, with no fear and a huge ego. They will ask things like: "is so - and - sos shit pure? Or real? Or they'll straight up ask you where stuff is (most people don't do that to strangers.) Always look for shades, and as cliche as this sounds, look at their eyes. Do they look like the eyes of a stoned tripping festival goer? Or are they obviously stone cold sober? You can always tell by their beady little clear eyes. Also try and get them to smoke with u, they can't and won't. And if you're really sure, DOSE THAT PATHETIC PEICE OF SHIT. FOLLOW YOUR GUT.





do not follow this person's advice. i am not an agent, but i am concerned with what i put in my body.

also, you cannot dose them, and if you do it will likely be in a deceitful manner, which i should say is something that is morally unjustified to do to anyone that has not explicitly said you may do to them before hand. ninja dosing people is not right.

it is hard to tell who is who... indeed though, trust your instinct. if you offer doses up for free, and they insist on giving you money, this is the one red flag i can give you.


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: 404]
    #22257843 - 09/18/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

on another note, there actually really is a problem at MOST music festivals one can attend. the chinese research chemicals have flooded every market and it is really really dangerous to buy from people you don't know. it's even dangerous to buy from people that you do know, -snip- google indexed, doing this for my safety.


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: 404] * 1
    #22257985 - 09/18/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I retract my previous statement, been pissed off due to legal issues. LSD is a sacred chemical, not a weapon. To use it in such a manner would be a disgrace. 404 is right, ninja dosing is completely immoral. The key to drug safety at these events is drug testing booths, respect to dosage, and general harm reduction. But again, follow your gut. Undercovers should still be documented.


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: FractalMind]
    #22258006 - 09/18/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

it's a real shame that organizations like Bunk Police and Dance Safe are being shunted from these events. Harm reduction works

i did my own service on my own accord up at Counterpoint this year. tons of stuff going around. surprisingly too, a lot of stuff that was what people said it was, and even still other people brought test kits with them. very laid back atmosphere, and very few injuries at the festival were incurred. that's not to say that there weren't people that just took too much, i got to talk to a few of the EMT's that were there, and they were AWESOME.


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: 404]
    #22258035 - 09/18/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It is, but the building blocks of a safer policy have been layed. We know what to do, now it's just a matter of waiting for the laws to catch up. I think we as a society are starting to have a more adult view on psychoactives. Pots legal in 4 states and dc now! Just a matter of time..


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: Ogla]
    #22258074 - 09/18/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They've been doing this forever now.  What else is new?

Don't sell drugs to strangers, kids.


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #22258121 - 09/18/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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They've been doing this forever now.  What else is new?




This statement is exact.

The DEA, FBI, and CIA have long infiltrated the music scene.  Shit, they have the best drugs and clearly use these venues to make money as well as bust the competition.  I wouldn't be surprised if they released a deadly dose just to put a negative spin on the community as a whole.  They are sneaky and conniving criminal scum bags that have fought hard to create their own reality.  Follow the money and statistics you will see that this created reality is purely for their own gain and agenda.


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: TorpidApe]
    #22259739 - 09/19/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

as long as you are behaving the odds are very very slim that you would run into trouble. for those hustling and bustling, well they are going to get popped at some point, just more fish in the pond at these events.


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #22260421 - 09/19/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

not true. you could be hanging out in your car and have an open bowl sitting in your lap and an undercover walks up to you. they don't care about you, just their arrest record.


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #22261108 - 09/19/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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They've been doing this forever now.  What else is new?

Don't sell drugs to strangers, kids.




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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: FractalMind]
    #22262817 - 09/19/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Just ran into an agent at Soundtribe. Could tell instantly. Dressed the pig up in a dead shirt, jeans and sandals with an obviously purposefully scraggly beard. I am sure there is one at every show. If u see one, alert somebody. We all need to be safe.

There's something about the way they talk to you, with no fear and a huge ego. They will ask things like: "is so - and - sos shit pure? Or real? Or they'll straight up ask you where stuff is (most people don't do that to strangers.) Always look for shades, and as cliche as this sounds, look at their eyes. Do they look like the eyes of a stoned tripping festival goer? Or are they obviously stone cold sober? You can always tell by their beady little clear eyes. Also try and get them to smoke with u, they can't and won't. And if you're really sure, DOSE THAT PATHETIC PEICE OF SHIT. FOLLOW YOUR GUT.





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    #22265433 - 09/20/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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They can and will smoke with you




Yes and or use narcs who will use with you before the cops ruin your day.


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: TorpidApe]
    #22272308 - 09/22/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, undercovers have always been at festivals but, I do feel like there is a general increase in their presence recently. I wouldn't be surprised if it's become a government agenda to make more arrests at festivals. That or they view it as an easy way to make lots of arrests (it is). It's easy for them to use the pretense of getting dangerous RC's off the streets and save lives but, this of course is really just a way to justify targeting EDM festivals.


Buy drugs ahead of time. Overall things are becoming too sketchy at festivals. Lots of bad RC's (I've bought some X that wasn't X before) and an increased police presents (I've seen some undercovers at a few festivals now). All together it's just too dangerous to fool with buying drugs in the parking lot now.


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    #22272856 - 09/22/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I do feel like there is a general increase in their presence recently.




  I wouldn't be surprised.  There are a lot more people going to a lot more festivals lately, and apparently a lot more drugs (good and bunk) out there right now.

  Be careful, there's still a war on and they are going to get feistier.

  It's hard to say bring your own from home, too, because of the bottlenecks created by thousands of incoming fans to the festivals.  There are only so many highways and roads you can take and they are waiting to for you.  Definitely don't allow yourself to be profiled.  Keep the bumper stickers off your car, make sure it's totally up to code.  Follow the traffic rules carefully.  People are going to get arrested on the way in.  Work the odds in your favor.


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: Sidestreet]
    #22273200 - 09/22/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

On that note there's a number of sneaky things they'll do to profile you on ways to the shows. I mean a lot of this goes back 20-30 years of them busting ppl on Dead tour.

1) They will set up with binoculars on bridges over the interstate and see right down into your car....of course they are profiling you. How many ppl are in the car...approx ages...wearing tie dye? Anyone twisitng a doob or have open container??

2) Driving down the interstate you see a sign that says "D.U.I/drug checkpoint ahead". This sign is usually seen just before an exit. The cops are up on that same bridge watching for cars hitting the right lane and stashing shit everywhere. The truth is there is no "checkpoint" ahead...it's at the top of that exit ramp ppl take because they are freaking out...they lead you right into a trap.

3) Different states have different rules regarding radar detectors or other stuff hanging from the rear view mirror. Some ppl like to hang necklaces or whatever from the rear view mirror. In some states they say it impairs the driver's view and they can pull you for that. States  where radar detectors are illegal you can't have one on the dash even if it's turned off...if it's up there they will pull you. I wouldn't advise having a GPS stuck to the windshield either.

4) This is a tricky one...most states require drivers to move to the left or center lane if there is a car stopped in the emergency lane. Sometimes it's a car that's broke down....sometimes it's a cop sitting there with lights flashing yet he has no one pulled over. If you pass that cop car and didn't move left or make a reasonable attempt to move over....guess what..you're getting pulled. This is a tough one to beat. Sometimes traffic is so heavy you really can't move over or you could cause an accident attempting to do so. This one is sneaky and dangerous and they shouldn't be allowed to do it but they do...it's a trap.

5) One early morning coming home on a 4 lane in a 55 mph zone I traveling up a steep hill and blue lights have someone pulled over in opposite direction at the top of the hill. 2 police cars. I'm doing 55 mph and no more. Half way up the hill one comes across the median with lights on towards me. 2 a.m. and no one in front of me or behind me. I'm fucked right? He's pulling me over right?? Well that's what he wanted me to think and to pull myself over in the emergency lane. No go brah...As he made the U-turn and came up behind me he had turned off the blues. He still stayed just behind me and to my left blinding me with the headlights. Followed me for a couple miles then passed and went on. Somehow my tags were expired and I didn't know til the next day. Fortunately dumbass didn't notice that either! :goodluckwiththat2:

There's my 2 cents about traveling to and from shows. Once inside it's all about common sense. If you have stuff stashed make sure it's just personal amount....no reason to have enough to get a felony. If someone is wearing a brand new tie dye shirt and wearing running shoes you can bet they are an UC.


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: BlueIndian]
    #22273211 - 09/22/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:thumbup:  Great info, five shrooms for you!


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    #22273280 - 09/22/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not into the EDM scene but I still feel this is relevant...

A lot of shows or "festies" entail "the lot" or "shakedown street". It's a great place to stroll and take in the scene...also great place to get busted. Depends on what you are doing. It's quite crowded with food vendors, glass vendors, t-shirts, etc. It's locked down pretty well with ppl watching so if police are around you can depend on spotters to yell 5-0!! Which travels down the line fast and ppl can have a heads up.

However...some states have different rules that you may not know about. Lately they have sent in ppl from the ABC (alcohol bureau commission). These ppl have a broad range of authority. Some ppl drag around a cooler of cheap beer selling them for say $2 each. Some places it's not a problem...others it's a charge of selling without a permit. Once they arrest someone for something minor like that it can go downhill if you have something in your pocket.

Let's say you are just hanging in the lot pre-show drinking beers with your friends. Someone comes up and offers you $5 for a beer from your cooler. You could get hit with that charge. Better to just offer a free one IF you are sure they are of age. They use underage kids in these set ups as well...don't get arrested for providing alcohol to a minor because you assumed they were of age.

Even the food police are cracking down on vendors if they don't have a "permit". Some states require it some don't. Same with local IRS agents. Some places you are suppose to keep a record of sales and set aside X amount of $$ to pay taxes. If they find you with a big wad of cash selling grilled cheese they can shut you down and keep that big wad of cash since you were in violation. Not to mention the hefty fine they give you.

Last but not least....stay away from the NO2 areas. Nothing good happens there. I hear the hissing of balloons and I am out of there. All that mess is controlled by the nitrous mafia and they are only there for the $$. Some states the police turn a blind eye...others they don't. STAY AWAY FROM THE HIPPY CRACK! It's a rip off, kills your damn brain cells, and too many ppl walking around with missing teeth from passing out face first from that shit.

Be smart and stay safe people! :zaphod:


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: BlueIndian]
    #22273322 - 09/22/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well they must really have a hornet in their panties if they're cracking down on little stuff like that.  To the upstanding citizens of the world the festivals must be nothing more than hives of depravity and crime so I guess I'm not surprised.  On some level the crackdown isn't going to be about the specific laws being broken, though that's how it will be expressed.

I've heard that it's a bad idea to pass cash around openly regardless of what it's for (unless you're giving it to a vendor) because it can be an excuse to stop you, as in "hey I saw her give you money, what are you selling?"


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: Sidestreet]
    #22273356 - 09/22/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The UCs are pretty little raver girls dressed super slutty and blend in fucking perfect. They go, flirt you up to get some MDMA, once you break and hook them up they leave and tell another officer and they come and bust you. I've seen it at raves in SF


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Re: DEA Agents are Infiltrating EDM Festivals [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22273369 - 09/22/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's a good point.  Don't assume you can just spot an UC on sight.  The good ones will blend right in.  In fact, I wonder if the obvious ones are placed just so you can feel comfortable that you know how to spot one and where they are.

Some of them will still give themselves away.  I remember being at a party once, talking about weed in a noisy, crowded room and suddenly this slightly older girl turns to me and goes, "oh REALLY?  I just ran out of MARIJUANA!"  Her come on made me very uncomfortable and so it was a real quick conversation after that.  I thought she was UC soon after that and now years later I still do.

Strangers that ask you for hookups could be UCs running the short con.  When I was still learning the rules I found out pretty quick that it's not cool to ask new friends for drugs.  If you're cool, maybe someone will offer you some...


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