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California drought
    #22253267 - 09/17/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Did everyone in California forget they have the fucking ocean right by their side?
Why don't they just setup big ass water filtering shits and shit?
They have like, literally all the water in the world.

Bill Gates can turn poop into drinkable water & yet nobody in California can filter salt out of water?
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Re: California drought [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #22253280 - 09/17/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: California drought [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #22253294 - 09/17/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

And the drought isnt caused by lack of rainfall. Its the bottle watering companys. They bottle up all the water, and ship it all over the US. Now sll the hippies in my hometown arent even educated,  when they bitch at people using ater. Like, stop bitchin at the people, snd start boycotting the damn water companies. Real.


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Re: California drought [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #22253306 - 09/17/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Because it's expensive to do that.


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Re: California drought [Re: 404]
    #22253330 - 09/17/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i'm not an authority on this, but i dont know why they dont desalinate water.

Dubai gets practically all of their water via desalination, yet it has half of the GDP per capita that california has

so i dont think the issue is that desalination is too expensive.


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Re: California drought [Re: Adolin]
    #22253344 - 09/17/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: California drought [Re: WhyDidiDoThis] * 1
    #22253353 - 09/17/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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And the drought isnt caused by lack of rainfall. Its the bottle watering companys. They bottle up all the water, and ship it all over the US. Now sll the hippies in my hometown arent even educated,  when they bitch at people using ater. Like, stop bitchin at the people, snd start boycotting the damn water companies. Real.




I think you're joking, but I'm pretty sure agriculture and livestock expanding into the desert are the main culprits, along with the soil/landscape erosion that goes along with modern farming techniques.

Permaculture and holistic farming are the answer.  You could dump the whole ocean onto the land but if the water doesn't retain there's no point, it'll just wash it out even more.

Think someone posted this in another thread recently:



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    #22253381 - 09/17/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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And the drought isnt caused by lack of rainfall. Its the bottle watering companys. They bottle up all the water, and ship it all over the US. Now sll the hippies in my hometown arent even educated,  when they bitch at people using ater. Like, stop bitchin at the people, snd start boycotting the damn water companies. Real.



What? You're joking right? It takes more water to irrigate one large farm for a year than is bottled in the entire state. The scale of the drought is by orders if magnitude larger than bottled waters impact.

Seriously, where did you get the idea that you could ship all the states water out in Bottles.


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i'm not an authority on this, but i dont know why they dont desalinate water.

Dubai gets practically all of their water via desalination, yet it has half of the GDP per capita that california has

so i dont think the issue is that desalination is too expensive.




Dubai has cheap energy. Desalination requires an absurd amount of energy.


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Re: California drought [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #22253399 - 09/17/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/09/14/scientists-say-its-been-500-years-since-california-was-this-dry/
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Researchers knew California’s drought was already a record breaker when they set out to find its exact place in history, but they were surprised by what they discovered: It has been 500 years since what is now the Golden State has been this dry.

California is in the fourth year of a severe drought with temperatures so high and precipitation so low that rain and snow evaporate almost as soon as they hit the ground. A research paper released Monday said an analysis of blue oak tree rings in the state’s Central Valley showed that the amount of mountain snow California relies on for moisture hasn’t been so low since the 1500s. That was around the time when European explorers landed in what became San Diego, when Columbus set off on a final voyage to the Caribbean, when King Henry VIII was alive.




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Re: California drought [Re: koods]
    #22253414 - 09/17/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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i'm not an authority on this, but i dont know why they dont desalinate water.

Dubai gets practically all of their water via desalination, yet it has half of the GDP per capita that california has

so i dont think the issue is that desalination is too expensive.




Dubai has cheap energy. Desalination requires an absurd amount of energy.




that makes sense. i guess Dubai doesnt use much water growing crops either :lol: being a fuckin desert and all


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    #22253436 - 09/17/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Seriously, where did you get the idea that you could ship all the states water out in Bottles.




:ilold: I can picture the boardroom meetings of Coke and Pepsi and some old guy like "Fuck California, we're gonna give the rest of the country all their water."


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Re: California drought [Re: Adolin] * 1
    #22253442 - 09/17/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

obviously the solution is for california to go beat up dubai and steal thier desalination supplies :vato:


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Re: California drought [Re: 404]
    #22253448 - 09/17/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Because it's expensive to do that.




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Re: California drought [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22253461 - 09/17/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

And the drought isnt caused by lack of rainfall. Its the bottle watering companys. They bottle up all the water, and ship it all over the US. Now sll the hippies in my hometown arent even educated,  when they bitch at people using ater. Like, stop bitchin at the people, snd start boycotting the damn water companies. Real.





Im not sure about further north but I can tell you that the Bay Area has been dryer than most people I've talked with can remember. The rains  falls only for a day then temps warm up to the 90's - 100's and remain dry until the next single rain. I've noticed there are usually low rains after high fires, maybe its coincidence.

TORCUTT, is right about the atate of California having plenty of drinking water for the whole country to drink which is why California ships water to other states who aren't surrounded by water. 

In my county,m the water company wants to charge higher utility rates to run water when the reality is california has enough water , just Mother Nature isn't providing like she has been.

. I know for sure that nestle chocolate company sells water from the Sacramento River and that's just because nestle is the water I buy.


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Re: California drought [Re: JayZ Morgan]
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Re: California drought [Re: Adolin]
    #22253479 - 09/17/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The water used on farms, and tap, comes back. It cycles. Down the drain, to the sewer, to treatment, to your faucet all over again. Farm lands, it either evaporates, or seeps into the ground water, in which there are thousands of underground rivers.And wells. Once we start moving water from California,  thats water that will never come back. California is singlehandedly the largest bottled water producer. Yes farming in the desert 7s stupid. For it lacks underground water ways and thats also water wasted. We piss into our toilets at the end of the day. And the sewagr company turns it into water. We are removing water from one locstion to give it to 49 other locations. Water should be used locally. Not distributed.

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news/2015/03/05/bottling-water-california-drought/24389417/


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Re: California drought [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22253482 - 09/17/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not to mention most statistics released by water company's such as nestle sre foraged. They are in bed making billions of dollars. Making those who enforce the laws rich, in turn, not enforcing laws.


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    #22253486 - 09/17/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's considered "grey" water though, which isn't drinkable.  Also as time goes on expanding agriculture and land development results in less and less water being retained by the soil, which is part of the problem.


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    #22253491 - 09/17/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

People who forage statistics should be sitting in prison.


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Re: California drought [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22253496 - 09/17/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It seeps past the soil into underground, million yesrs old water ways. Or evaporates to be rained again. Its not a big dea,. Nature makes sure it can reuse its water. The human element makes it hard.


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Re: California drought [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22253529 - 09/17/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Once we start moving water from California,  thats water that will never come back.




Good lord. I can't even imagine how your brain conceptualizes the way the world works, because this is just beyond absurd


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    #22253535 - 09/17/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah but in order to have things like rain and regular humidity you've got to have fertile soil and greenery, and modern farms are eager to use chemicals that both pollute the existing water supply and burn out the soil's ability to sustain the complex ecosystems that once existed there.  Getting rid of the natural ecosystem is more of a problem than bottling water, which is just a drop in the bucket.  We are seeing this impact all over the planet, with wildlife and people who depend on the natural landscape taking the brunt of the damage but sooner or later we will likely suffer as well.


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    #22253551 - 09/17/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Once we start moving water from California,  thats water that will never come back.




Good lord. I can't even imagine how your brain conceptualizes the way the world works, because this is just beyond absurd




I dont understand you.
It makes perfect sense. Bottle our water. Give it to new york. Its now new yorks water. Not californias. Which could be used however California would like to use it.


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    #22253584 - 09/17/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wanna see why your idea that bottled water is what is causing the drought is absurd? I'm not an expert but I just did some Googling to look at the numbers. Your idea really is astronomically absurd.

General bottle of water is about 16 ozs, sold in 24 packs, that's 3 gallons. In one acre foot of water, there are over 325,000 gallons of water. The largest reservoir of water in California is over 4.5 million acre feet. So do the math. Do you realize how much damn bottled water it'd take to even make a dent in that? That is only ONE reservoir.


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    #22253608 - 09/17/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well California chose to use that water for financial benefit.  Nobody is really having a hard time accessing drinking water right now, and that isn't around the corner as long as fossil fuels hold out, I think the more imminent danger is desertification caused by drought, which results in less food, less revenue from food, as well as potentially irreversible danger to the environment.  We always could just clean out ocean water to drink, and that would be enough, but that is completely unsustainable for the needs of farms.

I mean the real losers here are Mexico if you're going to talk about stealing water, but nobody seems to care too much about their rivers drying up.

Realistically running out of drinking water isn't as much of a problem as inflation of food prices caused by drought, at least for the near future.


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    #22253689 - 09/17/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Wanna see why your idea that bottled water is what is causing the drought is absurd? I'm not an expert but I just did some Googling to look at the numbers. Your idea really is astronomically absurd.

General bottle of water is about 16 ozs, sold in 24 packs, that's 3 gallons. In one acre foot of water, there are over 325,000 gallons of water. The largest reservoir of water in California is over 4.5 million acre feet. So do the math. Do you realize how much damn bottled water it'd take to even make a dent in that? That is only ONE reservoir.



I understand. But its enough to make a dent in springs and creeks, enough so they have to chsnge locations for better water output. Among all of the water used, it mainly comes back to nature. One way or another. Through the evaporation cycle, or defecation. Citys drink their piss. Fact. Sewage goes through a distillation process, and is further treated. Farmlands reuse the water. Indirectly. Due to evaporation, or underground watereays, which are everywhere. All the massive quantities of water comeback. But when we ship water out of state, that water, leaves the state. For good. Think of an oil leak. It leaks oil, doesnt run out too fast. But you have to put more in. And the cycle is complete once you put more oil in. But your still losing some oil all of forever. Instead of all the oily goodness lubricanting the gears for eternity. Now the oil leak, is our bottling comapines. We will only get water back through rain, snowpack, or sewage. Fact. If we have been having a drought for he last 1000 years not getting efficient rain fall, its only a matter of time before things dry up. And shipping water in the cycle, out of state mskes process harder.

So what if you are a millionaire. If you lost a quarter every minute, youd have enough money not to sweat it, but eventually,  you will be out of money.


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Re: California drought [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22254005 - 09/17/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

While we're thinking of oil, they're a huge polluter of water.  The fact is that next to industry all the people in the country's drinking doesn't begin to compare.



All that should be scrubland.  If it were, the soil would hold more water, and that water would be usable.  They are turning that land into desert.


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Re: California drought [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22254198 - 09/18/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

bottle water industry takes off, drought starts, coincidence? I think not.  Farm water, even golf course water, goes back down into the earth, its about the water table level.  Large tree's have deep roots that gain access to some of the water table, and soil in contact with it also transfers a small amount of it back top.  When you lower the water table too low your cutting off what would have kept grass n shit alive for another week or two without a rain.  Plants use each other to live, that's why large tree's are important, that's why the water table is important.  Bottled water and maybe some dams n shit is 100% the reason this is happening.  It also benefits the bottled water industry because if they can pull enough water to cause a drought guess what happens to bottled water prices.

if bottled water isn't causing it, ask yourself why if theirs a drought and they want people to limit their water usage, they havn't said a single word to the bottled water people to stop.........ding ding ding


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