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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22267479 - 09/20/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: Like I'm saying, is hard to see it that way sometimes. While that is the case though the thought offers little solace for me. Also perspective taking is not one of my strong suits.
That's ok Thantos, you precious little darling you.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Thanatos10
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I'm not saying I'm special.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22268537 - 09/21/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You are though. You can't find interest in anything. Everyone has given you ways to find interest, but none of them work for you because you are just sooo nihilistic. Meditation and the ideas behind spirituality don't work for you either, because you are sooo scientific. Science still doesn't work for you though, because of the whole nihilism thing..
You are such a scientific nihilist, that nothing can satisfy you. You are so different. Nobody thinks like you. You understand love is just a silly thing humans created to feel safe and connected. You understand meditation is just foolery of the mind and nobody can give you a real benefit as to why you should practice it, even though they've experienced these benefits, these answers are not enough for you.
I'd like to know who told you, "the answer lies within?" You said you hear this often but I don't believe you. If it was from friends, why wouldn't you ask them these questions? If it was from something online, why wouldn't you continue reading the text?
I think you made the op up just to make an argument for your specialness.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22268660 - 09/21/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, cez is right. You've come off as quite self-centered throughout this whole saga. I don't think the attention you've been given has helped you or anyone.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: cez]
#22269287 - 09/21/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cez said: You are though. You can't find interest in anything. Everyone has given you ways to find interest, but none of them work for you because you are just sooo nihilistic. Meditation and the ideas behind spirituality don't work for you either, because you are sooo scientific. Science still doesn't work for you though, because of the whole nihilism thing..
You are such a scientific nihilist, that nothing can satisfy you. You are so different. Nobody thinks like you. You understand love is just a silly thing humans created to feel safe and connected. You understand meditation is just foolery of the mind and nobody can give you a real benefit as to why you should practice it, even though they've experienced these benefits, these answers are not enough for you.
I'd like to know who told you, "the answer lies within?" You said you hear this often but I don't believe you. If it was from friends, why wouldn't you ask them these questions? If it was from something online, why wouldn't you continue reading the text?
I think you made the op up just to make an argument for your specialness.
The saying was something I heard a lot but the articles that mention it were always kind of vague on what it meant exactly.
As for this, I am trying my best to fight it. But as for the comments on finding interest, they were not much help since I have been trying them out and bombing.
I'm not saying I'm special. But when you have tried many things and nothing works you begin to question a lot of things.
I'm not a nihilist, but I just can't seem to find a way to beat it.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22269411 - 09/21/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You don't want to change imo. You are content with your current state of affairs. The change you claim to desire will only grow when you are that sick of your current way of being and you've clearly shown you are your biggest fan and don't want to change a thing, and that's fine. Quit acting like everything is so hopeless though. You like it otherwise you'd do something about it.
I bet when you leave the nest, you will be humbled and this change you act like you want will come on its own accord.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: cez]
#22269666 - 09/21/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Or maybe I have tried and haven't seen anything that works so far. It has been over a month and I'm sick of feeling this way. I'm tired of the looping thoughts that always seem to make the problems return. Or the need for my brain to have to logically analyze everything in some vain attempt to be intelligent. Or how everyone seems to be able to think this out better than I can and I'm left here trying to understand how they did it. I am my own worst enemy.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22269857 - 09/21/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Self-work is not like turning on a lightbulb. It's something that I think you are going to have to struggle with for some time before it's ingrained in your nature and then it gets a bit easier. Anything worth having takes time to get. You aren't going to be good at anything if you only work on it for a month and then give up. This type of work is no different.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: cez]
#22269897 - 09/21/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cez said: Self-work is not like turning on a lightbulb.
Yes. Thantos, you seem to think that you're going to get some kind of quick fix answer that's gonna change your life. It don't work like that pal. Give it 5 years of working hard, every day, not moaning about it, not feeling like you're so hard done by and accepting your lot (which is being in 'the thick of it all' like the rest of us) and I can nigh on guarantee that you'll change.
Or just carry on being 'special' and remain miserable.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Sigh, maybe you're right. I just want it away so much. But I should know there is no silver bullet for this sort of thing.
It's hard some days, getting the strength to get out of bed and carry on. Even harder wondering why I still do.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22270212 - 09/21/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: It's hard some days, getting the strength to get out of bed and carry on. Even harder wondering why I still do.
I know, it is bloody hard. You're not the only one who feels this way you know. I suggest to you that there's not a single one amongst us for whom it isn't 'hard some days'. So how about you stop being such a precious little darling and deal with it like the rest of us? Perhaps then you might even have some constructive input for the community here!!
Open your heart, open your mind. Both seem very closed for you. It takes bravery to face each day my friend.
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paradise...
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The soul extends above a mountain...which is where all the shops are contained..above and beyond the horizon..into and out of the soul..which is inside and out of the extensions of belief..and net secularity..and the between is in a moist covenant with your soul mates..even anything at all and the division of what is right..into precise pieces that we experience in time..and all at once..always..even the rite to keep peace is a peace keeping rite..the meaning of life is always rites..and how to achieve them..they can be anything at all..and thats why Freemasonry is such a popular club to go to..beware you dont get raped or anything because that is what Scottish rite means..that since they can do it, so therefore its their rite...luckily there is higher relations to Scotland and Rome..I am in Freemasonry called a Holy Roman Creator..which is a bit Brow..but knowing that you are the Creator in your soul..is a penchant way of knowing your rites..which is that you alone are in this hotseat for the rest of Eternity Basically..it is the self obviously but people can get scared of anything..
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I don't know that meditation gives answers, but it will remove the questions.
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Thanatos10 said: It's hard some days, getting the strength to get out of bed and carry on. Even harder wondering why I still do.
I know, it is bloody hard. You're not the only one who feels this way you know. I suggest to you that there's not a single one amongst us for whom it isn't 'hard some days'. So how about you stop being such a precious little darling and deal with it like the rest of us? Perhaps then you might even have some constructive input for the community here!!
Open your heart, open your mind. Both seem very closed for you. It takes bravery to face each day my friend.
I have opened my heart in the past, but it was too much and too scary. I opened my mind as well and it was also too overwhelming. I guess that's why I'm so limited now. Because it's easier not to give a shit and shut things down, while the opposite can be overwhelming.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22271396 - 09/21/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you lazy or scared? It really sounds like one of the two. Or both.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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There is an awesome Buddhist meditation on the Self. Basically, you sit, focus in on your breathing until you are nice and relaxed, but focused. Then you simply search for where "I" is. Is it in your brain? Is it your arm? Your heart? You search your entire body, and in my experience, you don't find the self anywhere. The boundaries between your physical body and the environment begin to blur.
You probably need to be somewhat practised in meditation, but it can blow you away. The first time I did it, I was shaking my head in amazement afterwards.
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Jokeshopbeard said: Are you lazy or scared? It really sounds like one of the two. Or both.
It's fear. Fear has been my greatest enemy.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22272071 - 09/21/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everyone is afraid, at some point. The secret is to Feel The Fear And Do It Anyway.
-------------------- Subterranean Hermes, guardian of my father's realms, Become my saviour and my ally, in answer to my prayer. For I am come and do return to this my land. - Aristophanes, The Frogs.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: spookman]
#22272099 - 09/21/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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