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The answer lies within?
#22253106 - 09/17/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hear this come up often with meditation. But I would like to know what everyone's experience with this is? Did you find what you were looking for? Well I guess looking for isn't the term but did you discover something about yourself that you never knew?
It's just such a vague statement but I wanted to know other people's experience with it. Maybe just to give me a bit of hope you know.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22253171 - 09/17/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My experience is that it doesn't lie within because the distinction we make between inner and outer is fallacious.
Traditionally spiritual teachers have told people to look within because as a whole, humanity has been looking outward constantly for thousands of years and ignoring what is within. Therefore it made perfect sense to tell people to look within.
However, always trying to look within can also become a trap because as I said, the distinction between within and without is not real in the way most people think it is. God is within us, but he is also outside us. He is everywhere. So you can't go looking for God is some specific place and expect to find him there.
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I was not really referring to God in my statement.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22254072 - 09/17/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: I was not really referring to God in my statement.
You are god and so is everything and everyone else(god being the consciousness of infinity not the traditional magical dude in the clouds that likes being a dick.
What they mean by look in is "who is doing the looking." Anytime you experience something negative or positive that causes emotions think who is having this experience? and really search for yourself in your mind. You can do it right now think where am I and when am I? Really try to find the core of your consciousness. If you're thinking your thoughts who is listening? If you get amnesia who would you be? Who has a personality and memories to lose if that's all you are? Who are you when you dream?
If your brain is running wildly like it normally does when you're doing this you are thinking and not looking. There should be a space or silent gap. Once you find this just keep expanding it.
The more you do it the more you'll notice when you leave the stillness. With a little bit of persistence you'll find yourself in this still space longer and longer. Then one day you will go about your boring mundane routine and stay in the blissful space all day long and it'll fly by. You'll be so amazed at the fact a few weeks ago you hating every second of your life.
Most people stop with mediation not realizing they can achieve a blissful stillness all day long! Self-inquiry is key. Accepting all your feelings and not labeling them good or bad, the same with people and everything else in your life. Instead of why is this happening to me!? Make it this is just happening
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Most people confuse "self-knowledge" with knowledge of their conscious ego-personalities. Anyone who has any ego-consciousness at all takes it for granted that he knows himself. But the ego knows only it's own contents, not the unconscious and it's contents. People measure their self-knowledge by what the average person in their social environment knows of himself, but not by the real psychic facts which are for the most part hidden from them. In this respect the psyche behaves like the body, of whose physiological and anatomical structure the average person knows very little too. Although he lives in it and with it , most of it is totally unknown to the layman, and special scientific knowledge is needed to acquaint consciousness with what is know of the body, not to speak of all that is not known, which also exists.
From the Katha Upanishad Atman is the self the true self.
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He (the Atman), difficult to be seen, full of mystery, the Ancient, primaeval one, concealed deep within, He who, by yoga means of meditation on his self, comprehends Atman within him as God, He leaves joy and sorrow far behind.
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Rise, awake! Having obtained these boons, understand them! Like the Razor's sharp edge is difficult to traverse, The path to one's Self is difficult.
Good being like the highest self(love and compassion for all) and the dear being the ego(selfish and petty)
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Different is the good and different is the dear, they both, having different aims, fetter you men; He, who chooses for himself the good, comes to wellbeing, he, who chooses the dear, loses the goal.
The good and the dear approach the man, The wise man, pondering over both, distinguishes them; The wise one chooses the good over the dear, The fool, acquisitive and craving, chooses the dear.
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Know that the Atman is the rider in the chariot, and the body is the chariot, Know that the Buddhi (intelligence, ability to reason) is the charioteer, and Manas (mind) is the reins.
The senses are called the horses, the objects of the senses are their paths, Formed out of the union of the Atman, the senses and the mind, him they call the "enjoyer".
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Eggtimer]
#22254888 - 09/18/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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For me the answer hasn't been revealed completely. But it was high doses of psilocybe and inner visualization of alien craft above scanning the population that caused a crown and third eye opening. I was immediately surrounded by entities and its as if some are stuck inside the matrix of biology, the body itself, and some fly free from place to place inhabiting people and wielding subtle or not so subtle forms of mind control over the individuals and groups. They sounded like normal human voices then something like a black shadow form scrambled into my apartment and jumped in my body.
It was as if I had ascended into another dimension of interaction... Those of spirits which call themselves Baphomets then refer to themselves as angels. The gist of what I was after, Truth, is that there are multiple types of beings involved in the affairs of human beings on earth that aren't human or biology but disembodied consciousness that are often parasitic. They are like a reflection of culture and are combinations of consciousness but a whole population unto themselves.
They are Collective entities that operate entire fields of varying energy signatures that interface with the brain and also they act from the inside trying to move through the body and into the sky. They can entrance you and operate hallucinations to either scare you or to teach you. And basically some people are not just human but partially operated by them without or with their knowledge either subtly or completely taken over. Like drones operated by what seems alien or not human. So the Truth revealed is that you are usually under some form of mind control and are host to an intelligence that has something to do with what people call God or the Kingdom of Heaven or this is all the antithesis to all that and is effectively an invasion by the trickster posing as God.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22255187 - 09/18/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Meditation is just a nice habit to get into. If you want to learn patience and peace of mind, give yourself some time everyday to sit.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22256001 - 09/18/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I find that the answer is always there, waiting to be identified.
Calmness of mind helps me be more receptive to the intuition or "gut feeling" that signals the right answer for me.
Meditating regularly helps me cut past my habitual mind bullshit, and live more clearly.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22257403 - 09/18/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: I was not really referring to God in my statement.
Then replace the word God in my post with Source, or Self or whatever you prefer to call it.
Or perhaps I should ask, what were you referring to? When people say to look within, it is assumed you are looking for something.
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More like answers to the questions I have, like why I act the way I do, and what changed.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22258117 - 09/18/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: I hear this come up often with meditation. But I would like to know what everyone's experience with this is? Did you find what you were looking for? Well I guess looking for isn't the term but did you discover something about yourself that you never knew?
It's just such a vague statement but I wanted to know other people's experience with it. Maybe just to give me a bit of hope you know.
yes, meditation is great--depending of course what you mean by that word. If you mean repeating a mantram or concentrating on the third eye, watching the breath or some such exercise, then you are actually talking about concentration, not meditation. Learning to concentrate is good, but meditation is bigger than that.
Meditation is being with life as it does what it does. Watching thoughts, feelings, sensations, without trying to manipulate or guide anything. Just be still and watch and you will learn wonderful things.
One thing you may learn is that things just happen, including all your feelings, thoughts, decisions, sensations. No one brings them about. No one is responsible for them. I still remember the night this dawned on me. A huge wave of bliss flowed over me. It is by such bliss waves that you know you have actually seen something real and not merely talked yourself into thinking you have.I consider that realization the single most important event of my life. Anyway, meditate that way and see what happens.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22258143 - 09/18/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Before you find any answers in life, you ought to make sure your brain is healthy and/or functioning properly.
Then at that point, you can proceed to be more sensitive and loving, and watch where it gets you. Try to have sensitivity to nature, try to be creative in conversation, empathise, listen to beautiful music that is inspired from the deepest wellsprings of human energies.
If you do this, you will find energies in yourself worth hanging on to and which will guide you.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: circastes]
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circastes said: Before you find any answers in life, you ought to make sure your brain is healthy and/or functioning properly.
Then at that point, you can proceed to be more sensitive and loving, and watch where it gets you. Try to have sensitivity to nature, try to be creative in conversation, empathise, listen to beautiful music that is inspired from the deepest wellsprings of human energies.
If you do this, you will find energies in yourself worth hanging on to and which will guide you.
The problem is that I have become dead to love, well maybe there are some ashes smoldering inside of me. I have reached a point where I don't really the the value in love, compassion, or caring about other people. Most days lately are just an emotional flatline with some spikes. The more I think about it the less I understand why people care what happens to other people, why they value love, and compassion as well. I don't know why I got this way, but I was hoping meditation would have answers.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22258692 - 09/19/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Instead of meditation, what about medication? 
You might be depressed / have a brain dysfunction of some kind.
I used to think life was a nightmare, not realising all the while life was beautiful and my brain was in tatters.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: circastes]
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I don't think that's the case with me. I have been through the ringer with a few ideologies, viewpoints, and other things. But that's not something medication will fix.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22258858 - 09/19/15 02:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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circastes said: Before you find any answers in life, you ought to make sure your brain is healthy and/or functioning properly.
Then at that point, you can proceed to be more sensitive and loving, and watch where it gets you. Try to have sensitivity to nature, try to be creative in conversation, empathise, listen to beautiful music that is inspired from the deepest wellsprings of human energies.
If you do this, you will find energies in yourself worth hanging on to and which will guide you.
The problem is that I have become dead to love, well maybe there are some ashes smoldering inside of me. I have reached a point where I don't really the the value in love, compassion, or caring about other people. Most days lately are just an emotional flatline with some spikes. The more I think about it the less I understand why people care what happens to other people, why they value love, and compassion as well. I don't know why I got this way, but I was hoping meditation would have answers.
I don't know but I think you're way of thought may be more appropriate for success and happiness in this world compared to that of love. I was a sucker for believing in love and I am self-destructing and losing my will to continue with life.
Maybe I was completely delusional and my way of life has been one big fraud, but I truly believed in love and thought I was living in love but for some time now I've been seeing nothing but darkness and there's a part of me that insists on not continuing, for I don't matter. Nothing I do matters. I'm here, existing in a world that is indifferent to my feelings and actions. My path of selfless love was all lust and I don't know how to turn this ship around because my self has become rather stern and breaking from it is seemingly impossible. At the end of the day, life with myself is miserable. I try to fill this void with hobbies that grow and improve my personality and they help, but at the end of the day I'm left with myself and who I've become and as much as I believe in forgiveness, I can't seem to forgive myself. There's a terrible amount of criticism upon myself in everything I do and I can only escape it temporarily. The idea of love became huge in my head, but it also created a duality and this monster is overcoming me.
I am living on hope that it gets better for I know everything I experience is transient, but this mood has been rather stable and as positive, centered and detached from darkness as I try to be, it's becoming more apparent that I'm playing a losing hand. A part of me knew it was a loser the whole time, but there was another part that thought somehow I can beat the dealer.
We have no control. The answer is not within but without, for that is where we were created and the conditions that created me left me a fool.
I would suggest to continue your inquiries, but never come to a solution.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22259202 - 09/19/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you want to know then stop playing games.
See it: Consciously notice you're running an unconscious pattern See through it: Acknowledge the pattern's unskillfulness. The deeper you go the better, and DON"T DENY WHAT YOU FIND. Be willing: Accept the possibility that you can be other than the way you are: this is the biggest part of your job. Penetrate it: See it so completely that it begins to drop away by degrees or falls apart.


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firmly held by His Sons whose hearts are drunk with the liquor of deception. Faith in the Holy Retriever leaves nothing much but void, as His silent voice weakens nerves and sanity. Bleed, bleed the knuckles on the wall of captivity, covered with clumsy scribblings, emblems of deficiency, flightiness and vanity; smelling, dripping urine and lechery from the ground to the roof.
There were blind towers like careless arrows pointing towards the cold sky oppressing the mediocrity below, magnifying the greatness with the glare of a dead sun; the greatness of diaphanous monoliths erected on the land of grey idiocy; grey like the concrete vomited by the mouth of an insane god and a soil of stubborn dust. As above, so below, it's raining filth on dust, like stupidity over ignorance. In the dirty rain, the scum keeps on breeding. And the dead sun may disappear, opening new temples, setting the night on fire. And men will be restless, because then the constraint gets even stronger. And new faces will appear, even less worthy. Ignorant vagabonds aimlessly roaming in mystery towards a god they don't know. Kirjath-Ra, here, there and elsewhere Kirjath-Ra, here, temple of the madness above Scum of the earth, unite and take over for you are the cherished stupid children of a god too great for you.
Filth upon greatness, like night upon the earth, the crust of aeons defacing the work of the righteous, the scabs of centuries waiting to be scratched out to unveil the dormant truth. Of this they are built, the labyrinths of sleepness anarchy, of greatness and filth, of scum and of saints running like rats, breeding like rats in the ashes of time and God.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Eggtimer]
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"The Deeper You Go The Better, and Don't Deny What You Find."
In my ongoing research into the workings of the world, specifically big money and how it operates, I have found that only one thing really matters. Follow the money, follow the power. It's always about money and power. Always. And of course evil but that ties into the power.
Most can't even begin to get a little ways down into this rabbit hole, it just plain won't work. Their programming, their paradigm will simply not allow it.
This also becomes true on a personal level. At some point is the digging worth it, can the truth really be accepted let alone truly understood?
Probably not.
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LunarEclipse said: This also becomes true on a personal level. At some point is the digging worth it, can the truth really be accepted let alone truly understood?
Probably not.
Youre asking too many personal questions! 
Acceptance, perception, and even truth are mostly personal things.
How much digging can you do before you dig right past the truth, or into a labyrinth of unending tunnels?
IMO, there are questions that have answers and they are usually the most obvious. But there are also many questions you can jerk yourself off infinitely with.

Tying this with the topic of meditation in the OP, noise reduction is essential to me. I can quite easily get carried away by daily life stresses such as the main ones you mention, money and the acquiring of money.
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
#22259572 - 09/19/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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circastes said: Instead of meditation, what about medication?
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Thanatos10 said: I don't think that's the case with me.
Yeah, nice work there Thantos. Instead of thoroughly investigating all your options you hang around here whinging and moaning because you don't 'think' that's the case.
Guess what? It's all that 'thinking' that has left you in this horrible, unfeeling, shit spot that you're living in right now.
How about 'doing' for once?!?!
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Re: The answer lies within? [Re: Thanatos10]
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circastes said: Before you find any answers in life, you ought to make sure your brain is healthy and/or functioning properly.
Then at that point, you can proceed to be more sensitive and loving, and watch where it gets you. Try to have sensitivity to nature, try to be creative in conversation, empathise, listen to beautiful music that is inspired from the deepest wellsprings of human energies.
If you do this, you will find energies in yourself worth hanging on to and which will guide you.
The problem is that I have become dead to love, well maybe there are some ashes smoldering inside of me. I have reached a point where I don't really the the value in love, compassion, or caring about other people. Most days lately are just an emotional flatline with some spikes. The more I think about it the less I understand why people care what happens to other people, why they value love, and compassion as well. I don't know why I got this way, but I was hoping meditation would have answers.
I have the same problem. I remember when I was a child, I cared so much about my family and my friends. I loved them deeply with real feelings of love.
Now I never feel that way anymore. I seldom feel any strong emotions about other people. I still care for other people and want them to be well and healthy, but the real emotions are gone except for a few painful glimpses here and there.
Nothing really seems to matter anymore, because no matter what happens I always just end up alone with myself. I see parents who seem to care so much about their kids. Sometimes I wonder if I had a kid and it died, would I really care that much or would I just move on?
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