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Bud Fuggins
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Chlorophylum weird spore print
#22252821 - 09/17/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Found in lawns. Thought was molbydites cause the gills looked like they had a real creamy light greenish grayish tint to them. But then I felt the cap and it was firm like molded plastic and the shaggy bits were raised up and very firm to the touch. It also had the snake skin pattern on the bottom and stained pinkish red where cut from the bottom. I thought macrolepiota parasol mushroom was supposed to have the snake thing and that people mistook them for molbydites? I am confused. Anyway, I'm pretty damn sure this is rachodes but I don't want to puke. You can't see the green tint on camera very well, but it does look green gray, the gills turn rosy where other mushrooms sat on them during transport.
Edited by Bud Fuggins (09/18/15 06:59 PM)
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Re: Chlorophylum Rachodes confirmation [Re: Bud Fuggins]
#22253095 - 09/17/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those sure look like Chlorophyllum molybdites to me. You can confirm that by making a spore print overnight. It should come out grayish green, not white. The edible similar Chlorophyllum species produce white spore prints, as do the similar Macrolepiota species.
It's not generally well known, but a minority of people can actually eat C. molybdites without getting sick. Unfortunately, the only way to find out is to try some. You might just be a very lucky person. Good luck!
If you end up getting sick, just remember that it will end. It'll just be a really long memorable evening.
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Bud Fuggins
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Re: Chlorophylum Rachodes confirmation [Re: ToxicMan]
#22253143 - 09/17/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well then what have I been finding prior to this? I usually find these city mushrooms all over the place that are big and white and fluffy on top. Little bits of fluff come off the cap and with a pillowy cotton candy texture. They don't bruise pink on the gills like these and don't have the snake skin pattern on the stipe. These have little raised portions that are hard like really tough cooked pork from a chinese buffet. I thought molbydites was soft on the cap and didn't have the snake skin? Also the ring is not easily movable like on the other kind I find.
Edited by Bud Fuggins (09/17/15 08:14 PM)
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Re: Chlorophylum Rachodes confirmation [Re: Bud Fuggins]
#22253269 - 09/17/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not sure what area/region you're in, but in the SE Chlorophyllum molybdites is everywhere and easily the most common mushroom I see during august-september. Finding other species of Chlorophyllum is very rare. So it can depend on your location.
These seem like they are C. molybdites.
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Bud Fuggins
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Re: Chlorophylum Rachodes confirmation [Re: MidnightCity]
#22253313 - 09/17/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm printing all of them I will upload tomorrow
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Bud Fuggins
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Re: Chlorophylum Rachodes confirmation [Re: Bud Fuggins]
#22255327 - 09/18/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Big one found alone is pink and the rest are light brown/tan to deep yellow brown color. Weird. All I could find was green paper to print on.
Edited by Bud Fuggins (09/18/15 09:38 AM)
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Re: Chlorophylum Rachodes confirmation [Re: Bud Fuggins]
#22258368 - 09/18/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can anyone tell me what this spore print means?
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Re: Chlorophylum Rachodes confirmation [Re: Bud Fuggins]
#22258749 - 09/19/15 01:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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These have normal Chlorophyllum stems. The rings are correct too. I find it funny that the one colour of paper you could find is green lol. The very colour that the spores are likely to be! If the spores are white i guess you can assume it's not C. rhacodes. What size are they? From what I've seen C. molybdites is often much smaller than C. rhacodes.
Edited by Untitled (09/19/15 01:34 AM)
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Re: Chlorophylum Rachodes confirmation [Re: Bud Fuggins]
#22258876 - 09/19/15 02:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bud Fuggins said: Weird. All I could find was green paper to print on.
That is pretty weird. You have two people telling you that you most likely have a species with a greenish print and knowing that, you still use a green surface to print them on...
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Bud Fuggins
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Re: Chlorophylum Rachodes confirmation [Re: MidnightCity]
#22259291 - 09/19/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Midnight, I started printing them before I posted initially, hoping for white or grey. This was the only not white paper I could find. The one time previous i printed what i thougt was molbydite it wasnt at all green it was grey. No reason to be rude and sarcastic.
You're trying to imply that I wrote that it was weird that I used green paper when the word weird was referring to the yellow spore print and your quote is out of context starting a sentence with the ending word of a sentence. You're being purposely obtuse and I don't appreciate you twisting my words.
So are you trying to say the color in the paper blended into the spores ir something? Believe it or not I'm trying to learn and get helpful responses yet all I got in this thread was people totally ignoring my questions about morphology (snake skin pattern, bruising, firmness of cap, etc.), prodding me to eat poisonous mushrooms and tough it out, and now rude answers to questions I never wrote.
I don't know why people bitch about others not filling out I'd requests when all anyone does is look at the pictures and maybe skim over the text if op is lucky.
Edited by Bud Fuggins (09/19/15 08:06 AM)
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Re: Chlorophylum Rachodes confirmation [Re: Bud Fuggins]
#22259560 - 09/19/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There was a thread a little while back with mushrooms that look similar, including the print.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22210451
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Bud Fuggins
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mountainplayer said: There was a thread a little while back with mushrooms that look similar, including the print.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22210451
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maynardjameskeenan said: Could be Chlorophyllum rhacodes I suppose (maybe the spores are darker because its old and dirty), It's definitely not a Gymnopilus species.
Can spores really change color through aging?
p.s.
I'm not trying to be a dick to anyone, It's just obnoxious when you are excited about getting an answer about anomolies in species identification, my main hobby that I am passionate about, just to be met with criticism and dismissal first thing in the morning. I'm sure some of you understand.
Edited by Bud Fuggins (09/19/15 10:17 AM)
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Re: Chlorophylum Rachodes confirmation [Re: Bud Fuggins]
#22259817 - 09/19/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, spores actually do change color somewhat as they dry. Chlorophyllum molybdites spore powder will lose its greenish color and become pale brownish.
It's actually important to do spore prints on white paper. There are lots of mushrooms that produce spore powder in some pale color. The subtle shades of color among those is often important for their identification. Among the dark spored mushrooms the subtle shadings of color aren't worried about much.
The reason colored papers aren't used is that it would be very difficult to ensure that people in different places around the world were using the correct shade of some color.
The human eye very much bases its color determination on contrast between the area being examined and the background.
I honestly have no idea what color various mushroom spore powders will appear when placed against a strong green background. It would probably allow subtle shadings of color near green to be distinguished from each other. Since there are only a couple genera of mushrooms that produce spores of that color, it probably wouldn't be useful very often.
The colors I see above in those spore print images are odd, mostly due to their backgrounds. I have also come to greatly distrust colors I see in photographs (especially on the Internet). Lighting also strongly affects color perception, as well as color rendition within a camera, and can also strongly distort what appears in an image.
If you could redo those spore prints on white paper it would answer a lot of questions.
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Re: Chlorophylum Rachodes confirmation [Re: Bud Fuggins]
#22262382 - 09/19/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bud Fuggins said: Midnight, I started printing them before I posted initially, hoping for white or grey. This was the only not white paper I could find. The one time previous i printed what i thougt was molbydite it wasnt at all green it was grey. No reason to be rude and sarcastic.
You're trying to imply that I wrote that it was weird that I used green paper when the word weird was referring to the yellow spore print and your quote is out of context starting a sentence with the ending word of a sentence. You're being purposely obtuse and I don't appreciate you twisting my words.
So are you trying to say the color in the paper blended into the spores ir something? Believe it or not I'm trying to learn and get helpful responses yet all I got in this thread was people totally ignoring my questions about morphology (snake skin pattern, bruising, firmness of cap, etc.), prodding me to eat poisonous mushrooms and tough it out, and now rude answers to questions I never wrote.
I don't know why people bitch about others not filling out I'd requests when all anyone does is look at the pictures and maybe skim over the text if op is lucky.
What is all that? You are going off the deep end drawing silly, presumptive and wildly inaccurate conclusions from a single sentence, which was not sarcastic. Nor did I "twist your words". There was no answer or question in my comment, just my opinion. We are all still learning, but that does not make it acceptable to make repugnant accusations.
The concept is simple; print the mushroom on white paper (any white surface works) or even foil so you can get an accurate print. When you have a mushroom with a greenish-gray print and you perform a spore print on a green paper you're going to run into issues.
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Re: Chlorophylum Rachodes confirmation [Re: MidnightCity]
#22263352 - 09/20/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would just not eat them. It's far more important to be confident about what you are eating than eating something that you are not confident about.
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Bud Fuggins
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Re: Chlorophylum Rachodes confirmation [Re: Untitled]
#22263354 - 09/20/15 02:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh I threw them out long ago. I was just trying to ID them.
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