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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: eatyualive]
#24872329 - 12/27/17 08:16 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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All 5 jars with no signs of growth were cmp slurried. the mini cake was slurried for 15 seconds on low. 2 jars got wayy too much liquid. Ill keep em just to see what happens.
The slurry mostly stuck to the bottom of the jar. I didnt want to shake too hard since i was pouring with the blades in the jar.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: JHOVA]
#24872430 - 12/27/17 09:08 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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were you using 1/4 pint of water in your blender jar to one plate? it appears to be almost a full half pint from the image. and your slurry looks like mostly water. a slurry is muddy. or sludgy. picture a milkshake consistency not water.
look at my image and the jar only looks about half full. yours looks full to the top after the blend. id say your using far too much water. and you only need a dash of inoculant per quart. i usually do about a tablespoon. but you can get away with less and colonize more than 10 quarts with one slurry jar.
if you add too much water. you could pour a little off the top and discard it. then use the bottom sludgier part for inoculation. the good stuff is what you left in the bottom of the jar after you inoculated.
if your trying to do more than 10 quarts for inoculation. use less liquid per inoculation. id rather see less water and more sludge that sticks to the grain than a more liquid watery blend. then you get all the growth in the bottom of the jar if you add too much water.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: eatyualive]
#24872519 - 12/27/17 10:06 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I did 1/4 pint the first time with a partially colonized plate. Today i used a much thicker plate coloniz d 90%. Yea i did use nearly a 1/2 pint of water cuz i poured a lot last time and ran out of inoculant. I guess im over pouring the slurry.
Well i should see something going in a day or two.
How far can you stretch out one plate and 1/4 pint of water eat?
Thanks for your input.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: JHOVA]
#24872526 - 12/27/17 10:11 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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i generally use one plate to 1/4 pint of water for 20 quart grain jars. you can probably get 30 total but it would take a little longer to colonize. if speed isn't necessary and you simply want lots of spawn. pour less. even a few drops will be a good starter. you could then shake jars after a few days growth if you really wanted to like g2g. but the goal of slurry or liquids is that you don't have to shake them after your initial inoculation and shake for distribution.
ill give you an example. when i was doing grain or pf jar slurries. i would knock up 50 quarts at a time. i would shake initially after the pour for 1 minute on each jar. after 3-4 days. i would spawn my tubs.
and i could sometimes do 2-4 sessions a week like that. that many jars will blast your forearm shaking.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: eatyualive]
#24880281 - 12/31/17 02:20 AM (6 years, 30 days ago) |
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one slurry jar is coming along. you are correct in stating the plate is the key not the liquid. the liquid by itself is very weak even when swirled around in the jar. i fucked up using so much liquid to plate ratio last time. if you look closely you can see the green plate on the jar wall growing mycelium and recovering faster than anything else.

i have 4 cornmeal cakes in 1/2 pints i conservatively splashed some LI on and they aint doing jack shit from 12/28. i made them at 4:1 cornmeal to water ratio knowing i would be adding LI to them. i just read that with blenderless LI you need to use at least 12.5 ml per 1/2 pint and i was undershooting.

heres the cornmeal plate i started on 12/21 with a blenderless LI. its at 95%. this will be slurried once it hits 100%. i love doing these pucks in pastys. they slide out so easily and dont stick the the container when put in the 1/2 pint jars.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: JHOVA]
#24881899 - 12/31/17 07:20 PM (6 years, 29 days ago) |
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hmm i slurried the cmp to 1/4 pint water in a 1/2 pint. i must just suck at slurry pouring because the gasket seemed to get in the way of the slurry and the slurry stays at the bottom once the water content gets low. the last chunks of it are the best and unless i spank the shit out the bottom they cant be dislodged. i was successful in noccing up about 10 jars with slurry. i think 1/3 of the cake was stuck on the bottom.
it could be the water content being so low in my mix it doesnt break up properly. when i made it with the called for amount of water in the tek it looked kinda nasty but i bet thats a crucial factor in breaking up properly. i believe it colonized a bit faster on the wetter mix.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: JHOVA]
#24881907 - 12/31/17 07:24 PM (6 years, 29 days ago) |
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I had this Idea for breaking up the puck easier (no matter of puck) it is to smear it in a little bit of oil before sterilization, that way the water inside won't bind the particles as affectively and make them clump together so hard. IΒ΄m trying this next week, IΒ΄ll report back!
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: Mateja]
#24881919 - 12/31/17 07:27 PM (6 years, 29 days ago) |
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please let me know! 20 quarts like eat does would be awesome.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: JHOVA]
#24881950 - 12/31/17 07:46 PM (6 years, 29 days ago) |
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I think what would work best for this Idea is something like Cous Cous, it has small square like shapes that naturally donΒ΄t clump together just because of their shape. Those but a bit oily would come apart real easy I think. Just have to find out first if Cous Cous can be used as food for shrooms. Intuitively I think it will work. IΒ΄m trying this instead of corn meal first.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: Mateja]
#24883871 - 01/01/18 08:17 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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Make a pour lid, or you can hold that gasket with your hand. You get used to it after a while. But the counter to that is the pour lids in the opm you can switch the lid after the blend. Then you get a real even pour. Although I did free pouring for years. The gasket never caused me issues. But recently i used a lid with gasket and it did give me some trouble because it got twisted after the blend.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: eatyualive]
#24884280 - 01/02/18 01:36 AM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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do you have a tip for getting the last bit of cmp that tends to clump together on the bottom of the pouring jar?
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: JHOVA]
#24884427 - 01/02/18 05:21 AM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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Mine usually blend up well and mix into the LI. I then just give the jar a little swirl before inoculating a jar. If you look at my blend jar its very evenly distributed in the water. If you blend and your plate isnt breaking up it may be too dry. It should blend up into the water.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: eatyualive]
#24884459 - 01/02/18 06:03 AM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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Is the blend 15 seconds on the lowest setting?
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: JHOVA]
#24888280 - 01/03/18 07:54 PM (6 years, 26 days ago) |
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i blend it on the lowest setting yes.
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