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tombosley8
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: tombosley8]
#22975313 - 03/05/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: tombosley8]
#22975362 - 03/05/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey Eat, where did you get that cooking plate with the edges sides for easy pouring? I bought a similar looking one but it doesn't have as sharp of an edge and ends up being a mess when pouring from it.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: tombosley8]
#22975380 - 03/05/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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You'll have to wait for eat on that, I think he specifies why he uses blue in the OP.
I've only done Cornmeal one time, I've really been slacking on doing any sort of agar work.
Soon I'm going to do a full grow with eat's stuff. eat's Stropharia spores transferred with his qtip tek on cornmeal plates, then blend them up (unfortunately I don't have the oster so that's the only part that isn't his) and then spawn them using his oven pasteurization tek.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: the_r3dz]
#22978074 - 03/05/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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you could also use food coloring if you can only get the yellow color.
tom, the added nutrients in the brown rice flour seem to slow the growth on plates. i haven't attempted any other recipes. maybe a lower dilution of brf would help. but im wary of using too little and the mix being a little more liquid. i guess you could use a little agar and brf together. that might also be a good option if you mix the cornmeal and some agar together. then i wonder if the entire plate would colonize? i think its worth a try. although i may not have hte time in the next couple of months to try it, but i will do it in the near future when time permits.
tom that blade looks badass. you probably only need to do a 1-2 second burst with that.
MMG. what cooking plate are you talking about?
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: eatyualive]
#22978091 - 03/05/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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The one you use for pouring/cooking the cornmeal in.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: MMG]
#22978099 - 03/05/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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oh that is just a small pot. it has a lip on one side for pouring. the brand is scanpan.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: eatyualive]
#22978128 - 03/06/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah I'm kinda afraid to go overboard with that blender blade so I'll use the traditional one and compare with that one. I like the idea of the combo but I think it might take away from that ideal consistency for the fast leap off. Still I think I'll give it a go.
How long do you blend with the regular blade? and..
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eatyualive said: you could also use food coloring if you can only get the yellow color.
tom, the added nutrients in the brown rice flour seem to slow the growth on plates. i haven't attempted any other recipes. maybe a lower dilution of brf would help. but im wary of using too little and the mix being a little more liquid. i guess you could use a little agar and brf together. that might also be a good option if you mix the cornmeal and some agar together. then i wonder if the entire plate would colonize?
What do you mean you wonder if then the entire plate would colonize? do your cornmeal plates not fully colonize?
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: tombosley8]
#22978138 - 03/06/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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2-3 seconds with the regular blade. yeah cornmeal plates colonize along the top. and it forms a kind of mat. but, i just tiger drop the entire plate/cornmeal into the blender. blend it then pour. the cornmeal ends up mixing with the liquid inoculant and helps to speed things along. i wonder if the sugars from the cornmeal are what gives it that boost? either eway i just did a regular LI batch to maximize my quart jars per plate. which i can max out about 25 per plate. but it still takes upwards of 2 weeks if i don't shake the jars. my intention is to never shake a jar and maximize the number of jars per plate. the cornmeal ends up making the best use of material. it colonizes in 5 days with a smaller volume of inoculant than the other methods like agar plates, brown rice flour plates. its very close to the speed of a slurry. only a day or two behind. consistently and i was using that with the AA+ which is quite slower than other varieties. so id love to try it with the tex oc real soon and see if its any faster.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: eatyualive]
#23100378 - 04/09/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I know this is a little redundant but do you think its possible to use a clean culture thats on agar and just a sterilized cornmeal plate (without the culture), add them both into the blender and it work just as good as waiting for the cornmeal plate to colonize? I just was curious as it could speed up things if you're in a pinch.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: thisisfielding]
#23100420 - 04/09/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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thisisfielding said: I know this is a little redundant but do you think its possible to use a clean culture thats on agar and just a sterilized cornmeal plate (without the culture), add them both into the blender and it work just as good as waiting for the cornmeal plate to colonize? I just was curious as it could speed up things if you're in a pinch.

I was kinda wondering this too since I have a butt load of pasty plates ready to go but none with cornmeal.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: elasticaltiger]
#23100460 - 04/09/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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thisisfielding said: I know this is a little redundant but do you think its possible to use a clean culture thats on agar and just a sterilized cornmeal plate (without the culture), add them both into the blender and it work just as good as waiting for the cornmeal plate to colonize? I just was curious as it could speed up things if you're in a pinch.

I was kinda wondering this too since I have a butt load of pasty plates ready to go but none with cornmeal.
Interesting idea! Might try it soon to see if it works.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: Josex]
#23100519 - 04/09/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I know this is a little redundant but do you think its possible to use a clean culture thats on agar and just a sterilized cornmeal plate (without the culture), add them both into the blender and it work just as good as waiting for the cornmeal plate to colonize? I just was curious as it could speed up things if you're in a pinch.
actually this is not redundant. i think that would work and is a great idea. if i had things going i would try it.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: Josex]
#23100524 - 04/09/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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thisisfielding said: I know this is a little redundant but do you think its possible to use a clean culture thats on agar and just a sterilized cornmeal plate (without the culture), add them both into the blender and it work just as good as waiting for the cornmeal plate to colonize? I just was curious as it could speed up things if you're in a pinch.

I was kinda wondering this too since I have a butt load of pasty plates ready to go but none with cornmeal.
Interesting idea! Might try it soon to see if it works.
If I'm understanding this correctly I think it would work... however I suggest popping the culture and the cornmeal into the water, give a quick blend and then let it sit for a 4-5 days (agitating now and then because the cornmeal will settle to the bottom) before using... so the myc can attach to the cornmeal nuggets. Of course with the extra days in there... why not just grow it out on the cornmeal plate ? =)
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: PsiloPsychIn] 1
#23100525 - 04/09/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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true, the question would be, where does the cornmeal factor into the boost in growth?
does it happen when the mycelia digests the cornmeal or does it happen when the rest of the extra cornmeal is blended up and the mycelia catches it on the grain?
i would love to see someone figure this out. ill try when i have time in the near future.
so the reverse could also seem to work if it does in fact work when you blend the cornmeal with your LI from a regular plate. the cornmeal is just a bit slower to colonize than a regular plate. so would it be beneficial to colonize on a regular plate and simply blend your LI with cornmeal? you could potentially shave off a day or two on the timing.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: eatyualive]
#23100530 - 04/09/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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These are good questions.
My working theory has been that it is less about nutrients and more about the sheer number of distributed inoculation points.
That is what I had in mind when I suggested that the myc would need a few days to attach to bits of cornmeal to be effective in affecting speedy colonization when transferred to grains.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#23100536 - 04/09/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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thisisfielding said: I know this is a little redundant but do you think its possible to use a clean culture thats on agar and just a sterilized cornmeal plate (without the culture), add them both into the blender and it work just as good as waiting for the cornmeal plate to colonize? I just was curious as it could speed up things if you're in a pinch.

I was kinda wondering this too since I have a butt load of pasty plates ready to go but none with cornmeal.
Interesting idea! Might try it soon to see if it works.
If I'm understanding this correctly I think it would work... however I suggest popping the culture and the cornmeal into the water, give a quick blend and then let it sit for a 4-5 days (agitating now and then because the cornmeal will settle to the bottom) before using... so the myc can attach to the cornmeal nuggets. Of course with the extra days in there... why not just grow it out on the cornmeal plate ? =)
I don't like the idea of letting it grow out, well four days is very little time but nonetheless this sounds like a sort of LC and you'd never know if some bacteria slipped in.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: eatyualive]
#23100584 - 04/09/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: true, the question would be, where does the cornmeal factor into the boost in growth?
does it happen when the mycelia digests the cornmeal or does it happen when the rest of the extra cornmeal is blended up and the mycelia catches it on the grain?
Good point. I've only tried BRF LI's (I suppose it's the same for cornmeal) and I've def noticed a radical change in the consistency of the BRF plate once it's fully colonized. It gets sort of gooey and really sticky.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#23100617 - 04/09/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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PsiloPsychIn said: These are good questions.
My working theory has been that it is less about nutrients and more about the sheer number of distributed inoculation points.
I always see way faster fruiting when I'm using wild bird seed. Inoculation points are the shit.... dot tumblr dot com.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: elasticaltiger]
#23100689 - 04/09/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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i do as well.
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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: eatyualive]
#23100837 - 04/09/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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DO you use folded paper towels like pasty does when pcing these?
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