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Re: Cornmeal Plate Liquid Inoculation [Re: camplo]
    #22838189 - 01/29/16 11:54 AM (8 years, 2 days ago)

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I mean in a monotub, there's tons of mushrooms to choose for cloning. If you like clusters and if you want more mushrooms production, you should take pins from clusters. But on an agar dish with only 2 mushrooms to choose from...:shrug: not enough variety to pick a trait you like.





I agree with you on this but at the same time there is something to be said about the pins that occur on agar/cornmeal plates etc...I mean all the same mycelium  and sub strains are present and if one or several, decide its time to reproduce now, like right now, on this agar and the others don't....then would it be assumptious to say that they are of good nature?

I'd like to think that they might be quick pinners.
I still got a clone on agar I plucked from the top of an old LC, that had strong bluing.
I say grow them out and see what happens. At least thats my plans.




If you choose to clone a pin that grows on agar, that clone will still be MS. Genetics would be narrowed but still MS. I think that when cloning the agar pin it could leave behind a lot of non-fruiting strains out. Which is a good thing? It could also suck like all MS grows. Maybe they can also be quick pinners on agar but when you do a monotub with that culture they might be not as fast on bulk substrate as you think?

Never tried to clone a pin from agar, I always toast them out. Next time it happens i will clone it just for curiosity and they already sterile which is going to facilitate the transfer to the receiving plate.


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Re: Cornmeal Plate Liquid Inoculation [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22838828 - 01/29/16 03:05 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

Hey Eatu, does the rice flour/pasta plates are able to full colonize or just the top like with agar dishes?


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Re: Cornmeal Plate Liquid Inoculation [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22839117 - 01/29/16 04:13 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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I mean in a monotub, there's tons of mushrooms to choose for cloning. If you like clusters and if you want more mushrooms production, you should take pins from clusters. But on an agar dish with only 2 mushrooms to choose from...:shrug: not enough variety to pick a trait you like.





I agree with you on this but at the same time there is something to be said about the pins that occur on agar/cornmeal plates etc...I mean all the same mycelium  and sub strains are present and if one or several, decide its time to reproduce now, like right now, on this agar and the others don't....then would it be assumptious to say that they are of good nature?

I'd like to think that they might be quick pinners.
I still got a clone on agar I plucked from the top of an old LC, that had strong bluing.
I say grow them out and see what happens. At least thats my plans.




If you choose to clone a pin that grows on agar, that clone will still be MS. Genetics would be narrowed but still MS. I think that when cloning the agar pin it could leave behind a lot of non-fruiting strains out. Which is a good thing? It could also suck like all MS grows. Maybe they can also be quick pinners on agar but when you do a monotub with that culture they might be not as fast on bulk substrate as you think?

Never tried to clone a pin from agar, I always toast them out. Next time it happens i will clone it just for curiosity and they already sterile which is going to facilitate the transfer to the receiving plate.





Yes for me at this time its just a concept. And you are right about fast colonizing but just maybe...the ones quickest to pin are the fastest colonizers? And they decided to pin because of how vastly they've colonized their area? The clone I took had a nice look to it, short n fat, and strong bluing. Its all a lottery at the end of the day I guess, different ways to play the game. As well, I have created agar and LC from the grains I plan to grow them on, in a hopes to make my culture more genetically accustom to the substrate I want them to master. I've seen others operate by this principle, otherwise its just a good sounding theory that I am following.


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Re: Cornmeal Plate Liquid Inoculation [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22840492 - 01/29/16 10:41 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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Hey Eatu, does the rice flour/pasta plates are able to full colonize or just the top like with agar dishes?




Just the top in my experience - the myc will try to grow down the sides when it hits the edge.


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Re: Cornmeal Plate Liquid Inoculation [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
    #22847689 - 01/31/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Hey Eatu, does the rice flour/pasta plates are able to full colonize or just the top like with agar dishes?




mr. alien, the brown rice flour plates will fully colonize. but they colonize extremely slow. almost a week more than the cornmeal plates. the standard recipe i posted earlier in the thread took a while to colonize. they grew, i liquid inoculated which took about the same time frame as a regular LI. and i had 2 flushes on the rounds of tubs that i grew out. they could have gone a few more flushes but ive been tossing tubs after 2 recently.

now, that doesn't mean that a different recipe might have the same results. id hope there is maybe a different recipe that could speed things up. it might be too nutritious for speed.

before i tried, i really thought it could be as fast as the cornmeal. ill have to work some different mixes. feel free to try. if your in no rush, mycelia grows well on brf plates.

and yes they only colonize the top like agar. same thing with the cornmeal plates.


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Re: Cornmeal Plate Liquid Inoculation [Re: eatyualive]
    #22849468 - 02/01/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I'm going to try the cornmeal out.. Can't beat the speed


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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: keifnnugs]
    #22960594 - 03/01/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Going to be doing this with black-rice flour in the next couple days.

Also going to try pouring black-rice flour plastic petris too.

Hoping the black will give good contrast to the white myc.


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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #22962724 - 03/01/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

interesting idea. please post pics if you get any. the brown rice flour colonized very slow though. so what time your saving on the slurry colonizing grain doesn't really make up for the slow growth on the plate. the cornmeal is fast though.


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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: eatyualive]
    #22963706 - 03/01/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Dude I will. I actually have a story about LI that's going to rock your world.

But now I am convinced. I feel like my eyes are kinda open to a whole new kind of growing.

When I was doing my very first grow I also did a liquid culture on the side. I inoculated a honey LC with a spore syringe from a non sponsor and grew a white mass of myc. I inoculated 5 PF cakes with it after about 12 days of growth and had 5 successful PF cakes.

Then everyone was writing that LC's were bad.

I have a high success rate, but sometimes I wonder if it's because I have avoided liquids even though my very first attempt resulted in success.

I wonder if I had just continued practicing LC if I would have gone further because of the higher demand for good technique.


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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #22973859 - 03/04/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

oh man when you discover liquids there is no turning back. its like graduating from amateur boxing to pro level. i never looked back once i learned liquids.

myths get busted.

its a matter of technique. anything you do takes practice. back in the day, liquids were the norm.. ive been telling people this for ages. but all the newer registered users weren't around then. not knocking anyone, its just a matter of timing in my opinion.


for years, everyone would inject liquid cultures into substrate bags that had injection ports in them. i didn't usually go that route. but it was very popular around 2006-2008. then some guy made some video and everyone believed it. its easy to dupe people when there is an agenda to make money and sales.


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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: eatyualive]
    #22974159 - 03/04/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

I personally am really starting to love LC to a big ass spawn bag. I think that's going to be my go to for larger grows next time I attempt one.


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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22974263 - 03/04/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: tombosley8]
    #22974268 - 03/04/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

that should work.

psilo also uses another brand that works really well. its in his thread "corn tortilla tek".


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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: eatyualive]
    #22974289 - 03/04/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

link? think i'll find it at walmart?


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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: tombosley8]
    #22974322 - 03/04/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

there is a link in the op right at the top. grocery stores have it. at least i know whole foods has that brand with the blue cornmeal.


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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: eatyualive]
    #22974420 - 03/04/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

This is what I used...
http://alberscorn.com/products/
A minor advantage of this over just strait up corn meal is that is is fortified with vitamins and minerals


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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
    #22974504 - 03/05/16 01:01 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks!  does it matter, white or yellow?


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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: tombosley8]
    #22974862 - 03/05/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think so - I've only used Yellow but I think Eat has also tried blue...


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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
    #22974894 - 03/05/16 07:07 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

I think eat recommends the blue so that you can see contains better


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Re: Cornmeal Mush Plate Liquid Inoculation Trials [Re: the_r3dz]
    #22975253 - 03/05/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Then I'll just add food coloring.
Have you noticed benefit of the added nutrients over regular corn meal? For growth, or yield?


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