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Elganzoury
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condensation? after soaking, cooking and PCing rye, please help ASAP
#22252069 - 09/17/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey Folks,
i followed RR's rye berries TEK:
"*My rye tek: Measure out your organic rye berries from a health food store, one cup for each quart jar you intend to make. Place them in a large pot. Rinse the heck out of them. Fill the pot with hot tap water, shake and swirl it around and pour it out. Do this three or four times until the water you pour out is clear. You'll be able to see when you have nice clean water to pour off instead of water filled with chaff and dirt. You want to now cover the rye berries with three times as much hot tap water as you have rye. Use half coffee and half plain water. In other words, if you have two inches of rye in the bottom of your pan, you should have six inches of water/coffee above that, for a total of 8 inches. Add 1/4 teaspoon per cup of rye of gypsum. Stir into the water/grain well. Cover and leave this to sit for 24-36 hours. Don't freak out if you go 48 hours and it smells like it's fermenting. No problem. Stir well and set the pot on the stove. Bring to a boil. Boil for ten minutes, then, WHILE BOILING, drain the contents through a very large colander. (Spaghetti strainer) If you're making a large batch, you may need more than one colander. Tip the colander side to side to get the rye to drain as much of the water as you can. Then, shake the colander in order to 'toss' the grain. This will cause a lot of steam to rise from your rye. Great. Do this a time or two, and then let it sit for five minutes, then repeat. When all the moisture that will drip or evaporate from your rye has already done so, load your jars. The rye should look and feel dry to the touch when you load the jars. All the moisture you need is inside the grain. Fill jars no more than 2/3 full if they are to receive grain-to-grain transfers, or no more than 3/4 full if they are to be inoculated by spore syringe or agar wedge. Use a lid with a synthetic filter disk, polyfill, tyvek or similar. Cover with foil and PC the jars for at least 90 minutes at 15lbs. When the jars are cool, they're ready to inoculate. MY RYE TEK" quoted from the post "All of RR's notes"
after soaking for 18 hours (since the humidity here is high) and cooking till i got a light boil, then simmered for 5 mins, put all the berries in a colander to steam out and drain well, let them sit for 2.5 hours, then put in room temperature for another 1.5 hour, then loaded in quart jars (after making sure they are all dry from outside) and put some polyfil in the hole, covered with tin foil (two layers) and PCed for 90mins
removed the tinfoil immediately after taking the jars out of the PC to avoid condensation,even i did all of that i got these air bubbles on top of the jar's walls from inside,
Q1: Does that mean condensation and excess moisture? Q2: Is that normal?
Q3: are the jars in risk?
Q4: i haven't inoculated yet, should i start from the scratch?
Q5: i gave the jars a good shake and the bubbles were gone, and even the drop that was running in the bottom was gone, is that okay now?
a photo of the jar:

Thanks,
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Re: condensation? after soaking, cooking and PCing rye, please help ASAP [Re: Elganzoury]
#22252116 - 09/17/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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u said u drained them for 2.5 hours and then another 1.5 hours, and loaded them dry, but those don't look like grains that were loaded dry unless u over simmered and many burst, but if u only simmered for 5 minutes like you mentioned, that is unlikely.
i dont simmer, and i only drain for 30 minutes tops, loading grains while they are still moist on outside, and my grains come out drier than that after PC cycle. so wondering if ur process is different than what u say it was? maybe u missed something?
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Elganzoury
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Re: condensation? after soaking, cooking and PCing rye, please help ASAP [Re: blindingleaf]
#22252240 - 09/17/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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definitely not missing anything, i was so precise, i'd say it the high humidity? will this work? can i dry them again and just PC?
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Re: condensation? after soaking, cooking and PCing rye, please help ASAP [Re: Elganzoury]
#22252281 - 09/17/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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if ur new to this, i don't wanna tell u it will work when it might not.
if there is pooling at the bottom of the jar, i would say don't use it. if there is a lot of "puddling" around many grains, i would also say thats kinda risky. if its just a few grains that have puddling, i'd probably use it, but make sure that the room its in doesn't get too hot. wet + heat +too many burst grains = bacteria more often than not IME.
the humidity in the room won't affect anything.
maybe wait for others to chime in too.
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Re: condensation? after soaking, cooking and PCing rye, please help ASAP [Re: blindingleaf]
#22252303 - 09/17/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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They might be overcooked, but I bet you'll do better next time. In the meantime I'm sure it's okay, just not ideal. Stay the course
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Re: condensation? after soaking, cooking and PCing rye, please help ASAP [Re: thebitterbuffalo26]
#22252323 - 09/17/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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give it a day or so to come to room temp and re absorb what it can before making any judgement calls, normal for lots of condensation while it's still cooling
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Re: condensation? after soaking, cooking and PCing rye, please help ASAP [Re: cronicr]
#22252370 - 09/17/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks guys that's exactly what i needed to know, i followed the TEK exactly, and yes first time doing rye, but did popcorn and failed, but i got the point, and worked it out this time, supposedly! anyway i will wait for two days then inoculate.
i will keep you posted, its not too many pounding btw, just a few bubbles on a very few grains, and about a small drop that was running in the bottom when i move the jar, but when i shook it, it was gone, but there are still some few bubbles
Can you please also help me with this?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22251946
i really need help ASAP
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Re: condensation? after soaking, cooking and PCing rye, please help ASAP [Re: Elganzoury]
#22252951 - 09/17/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Elganzoury said: an update, how are we doing?






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Re: condensation? after soaking, cooking and PCing rye, please help ASAP [Re: cronicr]
#22253191 - 09/17/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said: give it a day or so to come to room temp and re absorb what it can before making any judgement calls, normal for lots of condensation while it's still cooling
Absolutely. I've always used RRs tek same exact way every time no changes except gypum when soaking sometimes I don't put any cause I forget. All jars come out with condensation but a couple days later its gone. I think it may be the type of PC though. AAs I've learned draw a vacuum when cool and usually don't leave much condensate or dry out and burn edges of grains like my stupid presto does sometimes. An experiment I will soon do when I get me my new aa 930.
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Re: condensation? after soaking, cooking and PCing rye, please help ASAP [Re: vagblast]
#22253900 - 09/17/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks a lot for clearing this out!
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