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My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber
#22252014 - 09/17/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello all. I shared this on reddit but i would like to share it here for you guys/gals to enjoy/hate and generally just get some opinions, comments, concerns. Let me know.
First off i did this as my several attempts at the shotgun style FC always failed me. I just could never get past 85% humidity. So i present to you my Super charged Fruiting chamber....
Hope you like.
http://imgur.com/a/J7gl4
http://imgur.com/a/evc44
Parts List: 3 milk crates (they give them for free behind most grocery stores.. so i heard) 1 Repti-Fogger 1 Large Fish Tank Bubbler silicone sealant or better 1 inverter from an old LCD panel 1 Bulb from the same LCD panel 1 power strip 1 timer for the light fixture (it's automatic baby) 1 Large Chamber
Unfortunately when i birthed these cakes/trays i did them casing side up so i feel the mushrooms are growing from the bottom as this was colonized first and the casing side was not colonized enough. first pic shows how they were not colonized.



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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: cinikal] 1
#22252027 - 09/17/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Biggest noob mistake, giving a shit about RH or needing to go above 85
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: cinikal] 1
#22252046 - 09/17/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks soooo unnecesarily complicated, but yeah, shrooms
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: bodhisatta]
#22252068 - 09/17/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Biggest noob mistake, giving a shit about RH or needing to go above 85
And don't take what he said as rude. It's just true. Year after year we see the same shit over and over. A properly built SGFC is fail proof in providing a perfect environment to fruit cakes in. Anything used past the basic SGFC is overkill and more money/time that could have been spent elsewhere in this costly hobby. Whoever it was that came up with the joke where hygrometers are only good for measuring the inside of your trashcan's RH was spot on.
I still applaud you in your endeavors. Good luck.
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22252091 - 09/17/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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RH needs to be 95-99% only in the milimeter range from the surface of your substrate. The rest of the air in the fruiting chamber should fluctuate dramatically through the day. If the air in your FC is above 85% rh all the time you gona get shitty pinsets.
If you wouldn't put a baby in your FC longer than 5 minutes its not good for cubes either. Think a kid could breathe with just that shit air pump?
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: bodhisatta]
#22252119 - 09/17/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The KISS method is proven and quite popular here.
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: jbaby007]
#22252279 - 09/17/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow man,I need more details on how to construct this... I never got my sgfc right either. Don't listen to the haters they can't stand innovaters like you.
would you sell me a version of this?
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: jbaby007]
#22252289 - 09/17/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whats "supercharged"??
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Fantastic Mr. Fox said: Whats "supercharged"??
It's automatic........baby
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: newrook]
#22252468 - 09/17/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: bodhisatta]
#22252513 - 09/17/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought RH was important but I'm constantly trying to hone in on what works for me as the shotgun style just doesn't work ever in my house. man i have tried over 10 times and this just seems to get them going. Man i have struggled with that!
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It is super charged in the sense that you have an air pump and a fogger which also acts as an air pump as it uses a fan to push the fog through the system, obviously using fresh air to accomplish this. So those 2 Air/mist systems working together cause a positive pressure constantly recycling the air inside avoiding any need to "fan" the chamber. Just my reasoning.
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: cinikal]
#22252903 - 09/17/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just saying show me anyone with good results using something like that on at least a couple different grows.
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: cinikal]
#22252930 - 09/17/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cinikal said: I thought RH was important but I'm constantly trying to hone in on what works for me as the shotgun style just doesn't work ever in my house. man i have tried over 10 times and this just seems to get them going. Man i have struggled with that!
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Edited by PussyFart (09/17/15 07:33 PM)
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: PussyFart]
#22252944 - 09/17/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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1 timer for the light fixture (it's automatic baby)
i like how out of the whole set up u seem most excited about the timer for the light fixture
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: blindingleaf]
#22252995 - 09/17/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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how much horsepower in this supercharged fruiting chamber?
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: blindingleaf]
#22253020 - 09/17/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think you'll be happy with the results, once fruiting has started fae is far more important than humidity. You will get some fruits and they might look healthy but not what you think you would expect from all the work you put into it. You will be amazed at how well a plastic tub with some holes stuffed with polyfil performs
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: PinPornProducer] 1
#22253094 - 09/17/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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stay far, far away from those reddit mushroom communities. absolute shit information and shit people.
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: eatyualive]
#22253221 - 09/17/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Watch successful people...and do what they do.
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: newrook]
#22253235 - 09/17/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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newrook said: Wow man,I need more details on how to construct this... I never got my sgfc right either. Don't listen to the haters they can't stand innovaters like you.
would you sell me a version of this?
It sounds to me like you just sucked at giving them what they wanted (proper misting, and sgfc maintenance), and gave up too quickly.
RH is somewhat important.. Nowhere near what you think. under 10% rh open air (No chamber)
my inspiration
OP, fae with PROPER misting (to give 95-99% hydration on the surface, as said before) will give you flushes like you've never seen.
You should always aim for too much fae and need to compensate with misting over not enough fae/too much humidity.
Edited by Mad Season (09/17/15 08:32 PM)
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: Mad Season]
#22253255 - 09/17/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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After all that work to get the environment right, all the shrooms are growing from between the sub and the foil... just sayin
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: bodhisatta]
#22253259 - 09/17/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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sure...
http://imgur.com/a/FScMG#1
here is another:
http://imgur.com/a/esok8
And Another i Found! Thanks for asking!
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: cinikal]
#22253266 - 09/17/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those are from sgfcs!! ????? (Note the holes every 2 inches) If anything you're just proving everyone else's point that they're superior to your super charged thing by having better flushes/yields.
Edited by Mad Season (09/17/15 08:40 PM)
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: Mad Season]
#22253290 - 09/17/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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same concept... but i have always used a fogger and a light source and positive pressure... If i do not maintain that positive pressure i just dont get fruit... not sure why that isn't undrstood? it just doesn't work for me.
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: cinikal]
#22253301 - 09/17/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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No its not anywhere near the same concept.
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How it's made
A properly made SGFC Is made of a clear/transparent tote with 1/4" holes on all 6 sides about 2" apart in a grid pattern. All 6 sides means the 4 vertical sides AND top AND bottom.
They need 4"-5" of damp perlite. You may need to rinse the perlite a few times to get rid of the dust. The dust can accumulate at the bottom, clogging the holes. A few pieces of perlite may fall through the hole, but only a few.
Principle of operation
A properly made SGFC uses natural air currents to create high relative humidity (RH) and constant fresh air exchange (FAE).
The fresh air flows in through the bottom holes and rises up through the damp perlite assisting in evaporation. This evaporation is where you get your humidity.
Because humid air rises, it flows up and out the other holes, thus allowing more fresh air in through the bottom. This is how you get constant FAE without sacrificing humidity.
Yours doesn't use air currents and pressures, as well as air pushed through humid rocks (the only use of perlite in this hobby). And it doesn't have anywhere near enough holes to provide proper fae.
Edited by Mad Season (09/17/15 08:44 PM)
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: cinikal]
#22253473 - 09/17/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry wrong place to post!
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: cinikal]
#22253593 - 09/17/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: Juiceh]
#22254398 - 09/18/15 02:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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OP, why don't you tell us how exactly you made your SGFC that didn't work? I'm sure we will figure the reasons behind it and help you construct a proper one without all that pointless shit.
You see, I'm a kinda newbie myself and did struggle quite a bit, but once you get the hang of it, there really aren't many things easier than growing boomers...
of course, if you wanna stay supercharged for life, that's ok with me
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: jcop]
#22255209 - 09/18/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would just crumble those cakes to some mini monos and reap the rewards.(imo)
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: Grey]
#22256644 - 09/18/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm gonna reinforce what alot of others have said...try monos. Plain and simple..they take care of themselves with very minimal cost. Grain>bulk...cover...come back and pick. Very easy to try to reinvent the wheel only to find things can be much easier and simpler.
On a side note I do have an oxygen machine which is made for medical use. I have had thoughts of hooking it up into a large greenhouse with slits cut to allow the fresh oxygen to push out the CO2 build up. Haven't got that big yet...lol.
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: BlueIndian]
#22257107 - 09/18/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I see there has to be something wrong with what i am doing. I guess I have over designed what should be a lot simpler. What i cannot figure out is why i get dry looking cakes or trays everytime i use th SGFC. Drilled holes, over , under, around, 3" to 4" perlite nice and damp, but my colonization starts drying out and dying. It is frustrating. It is inside my house. It is monitored constantly. But they still dry out. could it be that my house is kept at a constant 68 degrees? Something is not right and this just process happens to make me get fruit. Any advice is appreciated and i am glad that most people think im doing too much. Thank you all for your input. Seriously!
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: cinikal]
#22257123 - 09/18/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cinikal said: What i cannot figure out is why i get dry looking cakes or trays everytime i use th SGFC.
Because it is getting tons of FAE, which is a good thing....it means tons of evaporation is happening, and the chamber is functioning as intended.
You want constant evaporation happening at substrate level, this is why we mist and then fan out the chamber, for a drop in humidity, to make room in the air for evaporation of the water you just misted to take place, several times per day.
Evaporation off the substrate is a main pinning trigger. It also aids in humidifying the chamber.
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: cinikal]
#22257273 - 09/18/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: OP, fae with PROPER misting (to give 95-99% hydration on the surface, as said before) will give you flushes like you've never seen.
You should always aim for too much fae and need to compensate with misting over not enough fae/too much humidity.
Keep the surface glistening/damp with no pooling water. Mist when it isn't glistening anymore. Sometimes you might only need to mist twice a day. Sometimes 4 times a day. All you need is the eyes to tell it's in need of a misting . Nothing too fancy here
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: PussyFart]
#22257274 - 09/18/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I guess you learn something every day. Thank you for that bit of nfo. Much much appreciated
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: cinikal]
#22257306 - 09/18/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't get frustrated dude...I hated SG setups. Go bulk and you'll be a happier camper. Not everyone's environment is the same and most of ours changes day to day depending on weather conditions. No one's house/apt is immune to fluctuations in temp and humidity. That's why I'm all about the grains and bulk now...set it up and let her roll!
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: BlueIndian]
#22262373 - 09/19/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My first post, but I have 229 BRF cakes under my belt, grown in three different tub styles all within the last 10 weeks. As a "noob" to cubes I'm trying several styles. I noticed my SG tub did not have any condensation on the walls as the other two styles had. I knew the concept of the pressure diff. was good science, but it was not working for me. So I smoked a bowl and pondered over it. AND ... I was packing the perlite down as I did in the other two tubs that were working well but using diff. methods for humidity. So I added more perlite 6" total and made sure it was FLUFFY and flat ....NOT PACKED DOWN and flat. So far this has worked to fix my SG tub. It now has condensation on the walls, and is what I would expect it to look like. Not as much as the other two, but I'm thinking that will be a good thing in the end. I will leave that to be judged later after say 2000 cakes or so.
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: Shroomin 101]
#22262583 - 09/19/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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MillerliteRN said: My first post, but I have 229 BRF cakes under my belt, grown in three different tub styles all within the last 10 weeks. As a "noob" to cubes I'm trying several styles. I noticed my SG tub did not have any condensation on the walls as the other two styles had. I knew the concept of the pressure diff. was good science, but it was not working for me. So I smoked a bowl and pondered over it. AND ... I was packing the perlite down as I did in the other two tubs that were working well but using diff. methods for humidity. So I added more perlite 6" total and made sure it was FLUFFY and flat ....NOT PACKED DOWN and flat. So far this has worked to fix my SG tub. It now has condensation on the walls, and is what I would expect it to look like. Not as much as the other two, but I'm thinking that will be a good thing in the end. I will leave that to be judged later after say 2000 cakes or so.
2000 cakes? Just go to bulk. Save time and hassle.
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Re: My "SuperCharged" (SC) Fruiting Chamber [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22262897 - 09/19/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You want moist, fluffy perlite not packed down 3 to 5 inches. The cakes put off heat which rises, drawing cool humid air through the perlite from the holes in the bottom. Too much or packed down restricts airflow. Also condensation is not caused by humidity, it is caused by a temp difference between the fruiting chamber and the surrounding air, you could have 99% humidity and no condensation. But like stated before, the only place humidity matters is on the surface of the cake.
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