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how do i stop drinking guys
    #22251348 - 09/17/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i can get all focused and motivated but literally after 2-3 days i just absolutely have to have a drink. usually 2 days :sad: it fucking sucks. i never even thought about problems with alcohol when i was younger but ive been drinking pretty heavily since i was 16 and now i see what the big deal is about. any advice from people that stopped?


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22251389 - 09/17/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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i can get all focused and motivated but literally after 2-3 days i just absolutely have to have a drink. usually 2 days :sad: it fucking sucks. i never even thought about problems with alcohol when i was younger but ive been drinking pretty heavily since i was 16 and now i see what the big deal is about. any advice from people that stopped?




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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss] * 3
    #22251407 - 09/17/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Have you considered Alcoholics Anonymous?


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22251434 - 09/17/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Rebelutionsssss said:
i can get all focused and motivated but literally after 2-3 days i just absolutely have to have a drink. usually 2 days :sad: it fucking sucks. i never even thought about problems with alcohol when i was younger but ive been drinking pretty heavily since i was 16 and now i see what the big deal is about. any advice from people that stopped?



I've just kinda accepted my alcoholism :shrug: I've toned it down a lot but I have at least 4 or 5 beers a day


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy] * 2
    #22251441 - 09/17/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

best way to change an old habit is to start a new habit in its place


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: SurReality] * 1
    #22251447 - 09/17/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

but i dont even know where to buy heroin :shrug:


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: SurReality]
    #22251456 - 09/17/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Idk how people get addicted to alchohol the drunkedness isn't even that great, when I'm in a shitty self destructive mood it can be easy to chug.


Maybe try to only drink on the weekends,

Its up to the individual to quit, no one can make you, but encouragement helps

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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22251460 - 09/17/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Some people smoke weed all day :ganja:, and some people drink beer all day. :drinklager: Do whatever makes you happy, as long you're not endangering other people's lives in the process. Your body can only take so much alcohol abuse though. Eventually you're gonna have to moderate your drinking, if you care about your health.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22251461 - 09/17/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

considering you can go 2 days without alcohol, you dont sound physically addicted. how much do you generally drink a day generally? maybe start going to AA :shrug: i havnt stopped drinking so i dont really have any advice other than than that


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Space Elf]
    #22251469 - 09/17/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah weeds pretty addicting to me, and is quite a negative one
It really can kill your sex drive, or drive to do physical activitys,

I gotta learn moderation, I'm working on it
Along with kratom intake


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Adolin]
    #22251471 - 09/17/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

not a shit ton but at least a bottle of wine or a six pack. is that even that bad :shrug:


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22251474 - 09/17/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I shall pray for you to stop drinking :ruggedwink:


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22251489 - 09/17/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Actually I just stated a thread in ODD about fasoracetam, which is said to upregulate bioavailability of GABA. There are some accounts of People getting of benzos and phenibut with it, should work in the same way with booze. It´s a pretty novel nootropic, so there´s not much info about it, but from what I can see it sounds pretty damn interesting.

What you could also try would be caapi or iboga.

I took caapi extract for some time this year and it helped me getting off cigarettes in a matter of days. Plus it made me feel very content and comfortable and it upregulates serotonin in a similar way fasoracetam upregulates GABA.

Iboga is the bees knees for getting off stuff though. You don´t even Need to take a flood dose, though that would certainly take care of all bad habits. Just microdose for a while and the craving will go away + it has a very nice antidepressant effect which builds up over time.

Or just combine these three in a cap, would make an awesome supplement :awesome:


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22251494 - 09/17/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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not a shit ton but at least a bottle of wine or a six pack. is that even that bad :shrug:



Not as bad as my brother drinking a 24 pack all night while falling asleep in my bed naked while I notice piss was all in my rocking chair, I was fucking pissed

That was in 2010 I think.


I do a 6 pack of a nice beer once in a while, like 2 times a month :lol:

When I drink, I like a good honey beer, or choclate stouts, some IPA  I like good beer :laugh:


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22251505 - 09/17/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I keep myself away from drinking by playing music. I also play golf stone cold sober, no weed. It's the one sober activity I have. Going to the farmers market Sat morning prevents me from constantly staying out late on Fri. You just have to correct the lifestyle that revolves around drinking and it should be easier to abstain.

I like the idea of only buy 1 six pack a week. Drink 1 beer a day. Hell get the most potent beer you can get and just keep the volume to 12 oz. I think the key is to find activities you legitimately enjoy more than you do while drinking.

I know it's not quite the same thing in terms of intoxication, but I am trying to quit processed sugar. I find the addiction to be challenging as hell. Seriously, quitting cigs was easier for me to quit than sugar. I can go 24-48hrs and then I binge eat candy or some sweet. Not comparing the two other than it's just as hard for me to quit eating sugar as it is others quitting drugs and alcohol. My health sucks at times for my age and sugar is a big reason for it (in my case). I am trying to do the exact things I mentioned to you, except applying to sugar. Trying to avoid the triggers that make me crave it, and when I am going to cheat and eat sugar, I try to make sure it's moderates and of good quality. Say fruit with honey, or a bowl of oatmeal, rather than an entire bag of candy.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: daytripper05]
    #22251587 - 09/17/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Try and break your 2-3 day streak. Also, don't have booze around. Whenever I take cannabis breaks, I'll either give my weed to a friend who doesn't smoke and let him hold on to it, or I'll just quit when I run out of weed.

You just gotta get it out of your general vicinity, and occupy yourself with something. If you live with someone who drinks, ask them if they could hide their booze for a few days while you try and break the cycle.

That, or I'd suggest restricting your drinking. Try and only drink half as much as you usually do for a few days, and then drink half of that for a few days until you've reached a point where you're happy not drinking so much or just stop altogether.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22251596 - 09/17/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What helped me break the cycle was using strong cannabis edibles.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22251601 - 09/17/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Rebelutionsssss said:
but i dont even know where to buy heroin :shrug:




well most people replace habits they think are bad with habits that are healthy. if you drink a lot you can spend less money at a gym for example.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Achillita]
    #22251651 - 09/17/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wait 2 days or 3 if you can. Then when the urge to have a drink is getting to be to much to control go running. Run until you can't feel your legs. Or do push ups or something to replace drinking. Eventually you'll hardly think about drinking. When that happens you can reward yourself with a drink if you feel like you can do it responsibly or go on without it.

I used to drink quite a bit when I was younger and I kind of just grew out of it. It may have been because I didn't have any hobbies or anything. I still drink but now its just like one or two bourbons a week and 3 or 4 times a year I get borderline drunk.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #22251661 - 09/17/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

take a shroom trip.

replace kava kava or  Kratom  with alcohol?


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: pineapple3] * 3
    #22251672 - 09/17/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

wow, your signature is traumatizing


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: danielx]
    #22251680 - 09/17/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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wow, your signature is traumatizing



Its weird for sure :lol:


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: danielx]
    #22251722 - 09/17/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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wow, your signature is traumatizing



you think that's bad?
check this out;

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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22251905 - 09/17/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What helped me break the cycle was using strong cannabis edibles.




Or just smoke plenty, excersice, new hobbies, sober partner, friends, etc...most important part imho is your choose of not drinking that first beer of day. after that it is quite eazy.
Goming from alcoholic to another with love. I was 10 or 11 when i got drunk for first time. 19 when i quitted for first time. was sober(only thc&psychedelics) for 5+ years.
ATM been without opium for 5 days after 2 month binge, drinking beer and smoking And feelimg pretty fucking nice.
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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #22251950 - 09/17/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

AA


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22251959 - 09/17/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Start drinking girls


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #22252155 - 09/17/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Have you considered Alcoholics Anonymous?



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Get some support man. It's hard to do hard shit on your own. It's still hard to do hard shit with help. But sometimes not as hard.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #22252320 - 09/17/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i would say a bottle of wine or 6 beers is ok, that is light for me and what i would consider moderate drinking.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22252480 - 09/17/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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AA



For me, I first needed a 28 day detox/ rehab(at age 56) just so I could begin to think with a sober brain.
I'd suggest that you don't wait as long as I did though.

I had tried to taper, switch brands or beverages, drink every other day. Nothing lasted.
I think my longest dry spell was about 12 weeks, though usually just a week or 2.

I also needed the support, experience and understanding of a bunch of drunks who had quit and stayed quit.(AA)
And I had to admit that I was powerless over alcohol - that my live had become unmanageable.(Step 1)

So far it's working, one day at a time.
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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #22252572 - 09/17/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

everyone's different. most would consider daily drink alcoholism though probably light alcoholism, still an addiction non the less.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: SurReality]
    #22252685 - 09/17/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Try several things at once,

.. sport induced endorphins at the time of day you would normally drink. In addition to exercise, for me long sauna visits helped a lot to smoke less weed in the evenings,

.. change social crowds, at least for a while, if you always drink with the same people,

.. and perhaps a new substance, one that you need only once a week, or twice a month. For me this was salvia, iirc you don't like salvia very much, but perhaps there is something else. My friend drank every day, and has stopped drinking for two weeks now after doing MXE only twice. We're not sure if it'll last of course, it's just an example. Maybe something else works for you.

.. and if you feel it may make a difference, talk to other people who already stopped successfully.

Btw, 1 bottle of wine per day is much, but not very much. It can be a lot worse.

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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22252707 - 09/17/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Rebelutionsssss said:
i can get all focused and motivated but literally after 2-3 days i just absolutely have to have a drink. usually 2 days :sad: it fucking sucks. i never even thought about problems with alcohol when i was younger but ive been drinking pretty heavily since i was 16 and now i see what the big deal is about. any advice from people that stopped?



I've just kinda accepted my alcoholism :shrug: I've toned it down a lot but I have at least 4 or 5 beers a day



:sadyes: But my number is usually double that. I don't buy liquor anymore. I literally cannot have a bottle of liquor and not drink at least half of it in just a few hours. Sucks cuz I actually enjoy the taste of (good) liquor more than I do beer.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22252945 - 09/17/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Drink a bottle of epickack on the day you feel that you have to have a drink. I could always give you the bottle of shock top I leave in the fridge for my room mate, it says raspberry but he said it didn't taste like raspberries. Anyway he doesn't drink my beer after that little insadent


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: basqueshaman]
    #22253004 - 09/17/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I failed and just bought a fifth of vodka :shrug: we all have to go somehow I guess


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22253014 - 09/17/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: vinsue]
    #22253023 - 09/17/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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vinsue said:
Quote:

Thayendanegea said:
AA



For me, I first needed a 28 day detox/ rehab(at age 56) just so I could begin to think with a sober brain.
I'd suggest that you don't wait as long as I did though.

I had tried to taper, switch brands or beverages, drink every other day. Nothing lasted.
I think my longest dry spell was about 12 weeks, though usually just a week or 2.

I also needed the support, experience and understanding of a bunch of drunks who had quit and stayed quit.(AA)
And I had to admit that I was powerless over alcohol - that my live had become unmanageable.(Step 1)

So far it's working, one day at a time.
:bliss: . . . :peace:



Has help me.

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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #22253030 - 09/17/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22253042 - 09/17/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Don't feel to bad man, your only human.
But you need to get some help bruh.
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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #22253082 - 09/17/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

treatment isnt really an option, it would ruin my career. i just need to give this my all and substitute with kratom. if i can make it days without a drink im sure i can turn that into only weekends and that into only one day a week. i liked the one drink a day idea and ive actually done that before for months


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #22253100 - 09/17/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I would say try GHB, etizolam, and kratom. Kratom curbs addicts' drive in general. be it crack or heroin. etizolam curbs the gaba withdrawl and so does GHB

Also, I would say you could potentially replace alc completely with GHB and start from there. Its still unhealthy, but much less so


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22253104 - 09/17/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Find a yoga studio. Seriously it will massively help cravings for just about anything. Also if you do it right it's a trip.

I'd start with a restoring class, and then basic beginners one. Then try to find a pranayama practice that meets once or twice a week.  Pranayama is a focus on breath work with your movements and postures.

Use the money you used on alcohol to attend these yoga practices.

You don't need AA, some people do, but I personally don't think you do.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: topdog82]
    #22253108 - 09/17/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Like I said mate; kratom, etizolam, GHB and weed are all starters. I would also try excercise, just basic hippie stuff. Learn how to cook. Get some hobbies maybe


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22253111 - 09/17/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Don't replace alcohol with other types of depressant drugs!


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: wigglewak]
    #22253114 - 09/17/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Find a yoga studio. Seriously it will massively help cravings for just about anything. Also if you do it right it's a trip.

I'd start with a restoring class, and then basic beginners one. Then try to find a pranayama practice that meets once or twice a week.  Pranayama is a focus on breath work with your movements and postures.

Use the money you used on alcohol to attend these yoga practices.

You don't need AA, some people do, but I personally don't think you do.



Yoga has helped me at every point in my life. Seriously consider it. Whether it was flu, stress, sleep, cravings anger etc. 1 hour with yoga changes my mood completely

Also; I would try to download the "Yoga studio" app. It is like infinite classes for yoga for life for like $3. I havent been to a yoga studio in years


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: topdog82]
    #22253125 - 09/17/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's sweet. I recommend the studio environment for structure and as a way of forcing yourself to do it when you wanna be lazy.

Dude I've been with my girlfriend for years but if you are single have fun with the Yoga chick's!


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: topdog82]
    #22253131 - 09/17/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i was doing really well and exercising a lot but i just threw out my shoulder and now i need physical therapy and cant really do much without having pain :sad: i had no problem not drinking when i could run without feeling like my bones are rubbing together in my arm


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22253133 - 09/17/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Rebelutionsssss said:
i can get all focused and motivated but literally after 2-3 days i just absolutely have to have a drink. usually 2 days :sad: it fucking sucks. i never even thought about problems with alcohol when i was younger but ive been drinking pretty heavily since i was 16 and now i see what the big deal is about. any advice from people that stopped?



Stop NOW
It only gets worse.
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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: wigglewak]
    #22253135 - 09/17/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

drink a lot of water and work out. keep drinking one beer with meals if you are seriously addicted. If that doesnt work go to a detox and find a new hobby, working out and water is essential.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22253136 - 09/17/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I believe a person can only quit themselves


or atleast get there  use under wraps

do u even lift br0?


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: SunnyD]
    #22253153 - 09/17/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i use to be able to bench 200 easy and run a mile in 7 minutes but now thats not nearly the case


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22253181 - 09/17/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

alcohol is a refined sugar and has a bunch of calories your body will need those calories from another source

pleasure principle type shit

pick up something meaningful to do with your time

i was pretty heavily into drugs mostly hash oil and weed like a year back, almost got fucked by the dea, decided to deal with my addiction and now i have like 6 months of drugs besides a music fest

aa helps some, didnt do much for me

finding shit to keep my mind active helped most
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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22253211 - 09/17/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have my fair share of precious drug addiction and abuse

and even though i have made so much progress. i still have  problems with kratom n weed

Drug abuse can be shitty

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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: SunnyD]
    #22253241 - 09/17/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i love you guys :hug: this community is like free therapy for like minded individuals and im glad i found it . im going to better myself and drop this disgusting alcohol habit  no matter what. its time


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22253249 - 09/17/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Home away from home :smile:


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22253254 - 09/17/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22254105 - 09/18/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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i im going to better myself and drop this disgusting alcohol habit  no matter what. its time



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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #22254127 - 09/18/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

and i am drinking morning beer before work lol
Just be straight with yourself, addicts mind knows how to lie to themself.
It is so easy to give you self a promise to kill that one beer after shitty day at work etc...
As long as you are not going to open the first one you are safe.

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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22254161 - 09/18/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Stay away from guys then if you can't stop drinking them!

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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: DredgeMyEyes]
    #22254183 - 09/18/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

everytime you get the urge to drink, just take MDMA instead...

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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22254267 - 09/18/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22254378 - 09/18/15 02:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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treatment isnt really an option, it would ruin my career. i just need to give this my all and substitute with kratom. if i can make it days without a drink im sure i can turn that into only weekends and that into only one day a week. i liked the one drink a day idea and ive actually done that before for months




Yeah, HIPAA protected medical treatments and alcoholics anonymous would certainly ruin your career, unlike being an alcoholic. :smirk: That's totally not an excuse or anything.  I'm sure you'll start that one drink per day plan after this bottle, right?


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22254392 - 09/18/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This isn't directed at you, nor do I disagree with the rest of what you said, I've seen it mentioned more than once so now I'm going to give my opinion on it.

I would never recommend anyone go to AA. Especially when anonymity matters. Anyone can out you at any time, and there is no legal repercussion to doing so. It's not mandated like a therapist or psychiatrist. It's just some thing that everyone has largely agreed to. Just because it's in the name, doesn't mean it is. From my experiences (take note of this, because I'm sure someone's gonna wanna tell me how I'm wrong) most everyone that I've met (there have been a lot from many different places, not just one particular "group") who goes is a giant self-righteous asshole (We have one on these very forums). The meetings I had to attend while on probation were no better. It's just a cult. If you don't do everything their way or question any of it, they all turn hostile to you. They treat you as a subhuman. You can't even not believe in God, or they get hostile. You have to play along and agree and believe in everything they do and say. If you aren't willing to conform in every way possible to the mass, you will be treated like an outsider and unwelcome.

"It works for some people". Yes, but so does cold turkey or turning exclusively to religion. The only way any method is going to work, is if you believe it will work and you make it work. There is no magical quit solution. In the end it's all on you. Whatever makes it work for you, go for it. AA is hardly the miracle cure, and the environment of that shit makes it far less successful than it could be if it actually were like what people make it out to be. For a bunch of ex-addicts who struggled to overcome it, they sure aren't very tolerant of new comers having trouble getting and staying on track. You can have 6 months sober, the second you admit you had so much as a sip of a beer a couple weeks back, they start actually getting angry at you and telling you what a worthless piece of shit you are, how you wasted "their time" and either need to do what they say or piss off somewhere else.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22254454 - 09/18/15 03:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

the first step to quitting alcohol is quitting the shroomery:obama:


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    #22254537 - 09/18/15 05:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

From someone who's been in familiar shoes,

If you really want to quit, you can. Nobody is past the capability to exercise willpower.

Think about why you want to stop, how the habit is holding you back and the regrets you might have if you never quit. Then stick it out. It might be tough, but you'll be stronger for it.

You don't have to quit forever if you don't want to, I mean, once you come out the other side and you're on top of yourself, you might find it perfectly fine to have a drink now and again and not feel so compelled to do it all the time. I believe moderation and self control is better than complete abstinence, because it makes a bigger deal of it and therefore may be more difficult to maintain.

Drinking regularly was easy for you, drinking less regularly can be just as easy for you once you get used to it.

On a sidenote, iirc it takes approximately 6 weeks to break and form new neural pathways in the brain (breaking old habits/forming new habits).

It certainly gets easier, it's like getting used to anything else. Keep yourself extra busy in the meantime. When you catch yourself thinking about drinking, stop yourself. Break the tangent, just do something else, think about something else. Try taking up a new hobby or two.

I quit drinking and smoking on the same day, drove me nuts. I started a workout routine, that helped tremendously. Got further into vaping to help the cig cravings, it turned into a bit of a hobby. I started looking for ways to make more money, reading more books, even watching more TV series, bought a new laptop and started playing around with linux, these are just a few examples. Little things that fill up spare time. After a while it felt more as though, rather than doing more things to keep myself busy and my mind off drinking, that I was just living my life in small ways the drinking had been stopping me from caring or being motivated enough to do before. The motivation to stop drinking and filling up time eventually just became motivation to do other things for the sake of interest. Without even realizing it, a weight on my shoulders slowly disappeared. I didn't quit drinking all together, I did have a couple of occasions of what one might consider relapse, picking up a bottle of quality scotch and ending up drinking the whole thing over the course of a night (x2), but needless to say, I felt shitty enough about it to make more of an effort not to make it a regular habit. It's been quite some time now, I spend most of my days without a drink and it's no big deal to me anymore, and when I do drink I can stop at a few and think nothing of it. Hell, I'm drinking a guinness as I type this :lol:, I'll have one, maybe two more before I turn in for the night and I probably won't bother tomorrow.

The bigger a deal you make of something, the bigger deal it becomes. If you want to quit, just quit. The harder you tell yourself it is to use your willpower, the harder it becomes. If you believe it's easy, you know it's the right thing for yourself and you want to do it, despite maybe being a bit bumpy at first, it'll be as easy as you make it.

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    #22254561 - 09/18/15 05:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ibogaine treatment. Its a huge commitment but it could save your life.


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    #22254565 - 09/18/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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This isn't directed at you, nor do I disagree with the rest of what you said, I've seen it mentioned more than once so now I'm going to give my opinion on it.

I would never recommend anyone go to AA. Especially when anonymity matters. Anyone can out you at any time, and there is no legal repercussion to doing so. It's not mandated like a therapist or psychiatrist. It's just some thing that everyone has largely agreed to. Just because it's in the name, doesn't mean it is. From my experiences (take note of this, because I'm sure someone's gonna wanna tell me how I'm wrong) most everyone that I've met (there have been a lot from many different places, not just one particular "group") who goes is a giant self-righteous asshole (We have one on these very forums). The meetings I had to attend while on probation were no better. It's just a cult. If you don't do everything their way or question any of it, they all turn hostile to you. They treat you as a subhuman. You can't even not believe in God, or they get hostile. You have to play along and agree and believe in everything they do and say. If you aren't willing to conform in every way possible to the mass, you will be treated like an outsider and unwelcome.

"It works for some people". Yes, but so does cold turkey or turning exclusively to religion. The only way any method is going to work, is if you believe it will work and you make it work. There is no magical quit solution. In the end it's all on you. Whatever makes it work for you, go for it. AA is hardly the miracle cure, and the environment of that shit makes it far less successful than it could be if it actually were like what people make it out to be. For a bunch of ex-addicts who struggled to overcome it, they sure aren't very tolerant of new comers having trouble getting and staying on track. You can have 6 months sober, the second you admit you had so much as a sip of a beer a couple weeks back, they start actually getting angry at you and telling you what a worthless piece of shit you are, how you wasted "their time" and either need to do what they say or piss off somewhere else.




From what I understand it's about finding a good group, even the right group within a group.  Nobody is going to out you that is just being paranoid, and any faults you find with the way people there treated you is just because they are human like you.  There's good and bad.

It's not a cult.  It is a loosely structured self-help community.  Some people do use it to push religion, but that isn't everybody there, and there's similar groups where you can pick up a support network that aren't AA.  It's definitely better than nothing, especially if you've tried everything else and nothing worked.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22254592 - 09/18/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's not being paranoid when it's happened. I haven't heard/read a ton of stories on it, but it does happen. The last one I heard: http://www.wlox.com/story/28801593/report-evans-mom-arrested-after-telling-aa-sponsor-about-sex-with-minors. Kind of an extreme case, I've heard more that weren't that extreme. But that backs up what I said. It's not really anonymous and anyone can expose you at any time with little or no repercussion. When there aren't repercussions like losing your license to practice, people tend to give less of a shit about breaking the accepted anonymity the name of the program implies.

I'm not speaking of the groups that aren't religious based. I'm talking entirely AA. I have 0 experience with the non religious centered ones and to my knowledge have never met someone who was part of one.

As for there being good and bad, yes. I'm sure there are some decent people out there going to AA, but my experiences have shown me literally 100% are self righteous jack asses. You can't even talk about how "Bad" your addiction was, because they have to brag how much hardcore they were. This is not said in a "if I can do it you can do it" support way. It's a "I'm better than you" attitude. They always have to top the other person. "You were only drinking a 12 pack a night? Shit son, I was drinking a 12 pack in 6 hours and chasing it with an 8 ball".

People love to sit there and stroke their own ego. They constantly try to convince themselves they are a far better person than someone else, simply because they managed to quit a more severe habit. Though I will say I don't really blame them exactly. In drug culture it's pretty common to have to outdo everyone else and make it seem as if you're the most hardcore user. They probably had that attitude long before they went to AA.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22254603 - 09/18/15 05:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I find your use of the word self-righteous in that context interesting, but hey, I can't dispute your experience.

Somebody could look in your window at night and tell your boss that you jerk off every night, but it isn't likely to happen.  If you are part of a small community that would be judgmental I think in some cases it would be better to deal with that and have a support group than lead a double life and try to maintain on your own.

I've been to meetings that were huge and a mess with a bunch of former drunks vying for attention, and I've been to little meetings in some quiet church basement where good people gather and support each-other.  Both are AA.  I had to go because of probation too, and it's not really my thing either, but it's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be.  I'm thinking that you maybe even do have a bad attitude :smirk:


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    #22254620 - 09/18/15 06:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not making it out to be anything.. I'm stating absolute facts of my experiences. And my experiences go much further than just the one group of people I had to deal with as ordered by probation.

As for the jerking off thing, that's just totally irrelevant. No one is going to fire you over jerking off in your home (unless you work for weird Christian business like Hobby Lobby or Chick Fil A, then it might be a problem). However someone telling your boss you're an alcoholic can have a bad impact.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22254627 - 09/18/15 06:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Basically, I suggest other alternatives. There are many. I would never personally recommend AA. If noting else works, try it out, who knows, maybe it'll work for you. But I'd advise taking every other path available before going there.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22254661 - 09/18/15 06:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think if you were in a position where you really were trying to quit drinking, you would be able to find a group that works for you.  That's one of the benefits of AA being so ubiquitous.  Plenty of people take the AA model and adapt it to suit their own needs.  I'm not really one for a big group where you need to be super aggressive to be heard, but the small group that I went to was filled with kind and thoughtful people from all walks of life that just shared this common issue.  Even if I don't still go, there were people there who were older and wiser than me, and it was overall an uplifting and inspirational experience despite me not wanting to be there.  They were the furthest thing from what you describe.

I think if you're really worried about people finding out you're an alcoholic, you're not ready to stop.  It's not that big a deal.  I've had bosses that will look down on me for not going out and drinking at the bar with them, but that's their problem.  If you're trying to be sober you have to put yourself first.  There are serious life and health concerns from alcoholism, and you might never get there, but who knows.  Plenty of people do.

I would encourage anyone who is curious to go check it out.  They're usually happy to let people sit in and observe, and if you don't like the people there, I'm sure it won't work that well.  There are groups however that are 100% regular people who are doing the right thing by their family, and have found friends who they would do anything to help in AA.  I can't imagine a group that is as aggressive and judgmental as you're describing, but I'm sure they exist.  I have my own mixed feelings, but I don't see the harm in people checking it out.  It's one of the few organizations that is free and anyone who would look down on someone for being in AA, boss or otherwise, is an asshole who doesn't deserve the time of day.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22254676 - 09/18/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

A little late to this thread, but tapering has kept me alive and my brain less damaged than it wouldve been. Hope the following information helps:


http://www.hamsnetwork.org/taper/

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Can people successfully use alcohol to taper off?

An unqualified YES. People have been using alcohol to taper off from alcohol since the dawn of history. Withdrawal medications are a recent invention. The idea that tapering cannot be done is a myth created by the alcohol treatment industry.

How do I know if I need to taper off?

If when you stop drinking your hands are visibly shaky, you begin to sweat a lot, you have a rapid or irregular pulse, or your blood pressure is very high then it is advisable to taper off alcohol and not quit cold turkey. You can taper off by using alcohol or by getting prescription meds from your doctor. A pulse of over 100 beats per minute is a definite danger sign.




BTW< my hands NEVER shook. I mean I would be vomiting bile for DAYS, hallucinating (audio and visual), etc etc, but hands never shook. Which sucks when you're in rehab and they wont give you meds simply because your hands arent shaking! Fucking sucks bad. :frown:


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    #22254681 - 09/18/15 06:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Can they really tell the difference between DTs and someone just shaking their hands intentionally?  I feel like that would be easy enough to fake, but I understand if you were just trying to take the honest approach too.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22254687 - 09/18/15 06:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

May be an asshole, but in the end if it has a negative impact on your employment, it really doesn't matter if he's an asshole or not. In some instances they would completely justified in firing you for "admitting" you have a problem with drugs/alcohol when certain criteria are met. There are plenty of jobs out there where literally dozens, hundreds and even thousands of people's lives are in your hands. If you screw up and get people killed, it's going to be a huge problem. It's a liability and a lot of people are fired over being liabilities.

The ADA covers alcoholism, but only goes so far as to offer a period where the addicted can get clean. People who relapse or refuse to stop, can be fired. So in and of itself having someone tell your boss can't just get you flat out fired. You can make an earnest effort, but if it continues to be an issue, they are justified in firing you for it.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22254699 - 09/18/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This is pretty strange hypothetical territory that we're getting into.  In my opinion if 1000s of lives are in your hands whatever is necessary should be done.  I would say maybe even leave that job if you're intent on continuing drinking.


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    #22254716 - 09/18/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Can they really tell the difference between DTs and someone just shaking their hands intentionally?  I feel like that would be easy enough to fake, but I understand if you were just trying to take the honest approach too.




If you're really going through DTs, faking anything is at the bottom of your priorities. Also, I just kinda assumed they'd know what the fuck they're doing and take pity on me.

Instead, I was kept in a 56 degree room and only grudgingly given the most piss poor, weakest medicine. ( and that only after I started throwing shit around my room!0 Was told I'd see my doctor within an hour of admission, didnt see him until noon the next day and etc etc etc etc.

Signed myself out after two days....AND even after insurance paid 90%, we owe 900$!! For two days of abuse. Shit makes me sick. Sorry for going on...


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22254720 - 09/18/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's only strange hypothetically because you're just focusing on thousands instead of the dozens or hundreds. Working in a refinery is a good example of requiring people of clear mind. Given the right circumstances (and they don't even have to be way out there or remote) there is literally dozens and even hundreds of lives depending on you NOT screwing up. Pilot is another.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22254766 - 09/18/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Heavy drinkers/users can make intense spiritual practitioners if they can turn their binging in the right direction. Alcohol is low vibrational, painful poisonous shit.  It took me years but I'm clean and when I have time can develop extensive meditative practice. Something's gotta give.


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    #22254775 - 09/18/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You haven't reached the point where you are literally sick from drinking.  Once that point is achieved over a couple year period of stopping and restarting, you will perhaps decide to stop poisoning yourself.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: syncro] * 1
    #22254793 - 09/18/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Alcohol Is a shitty drug ime


Im surprised about the current addicts to it. but i guess i can see how someone could get addicted to drunkedness



Like its  been said. addiction can be  stopped. Takes alot of work of breaking that feel good habit


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: SunnyD]
    #22255356 - 09/18/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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AddyZomeD said:
Alcohol Is a shitty drug ime


Im surprised about the current addicts to it. but i guess i can see how someone could get addicted to drunkedness



Like its  been said. addiction can be  stopped. Takes alot of work of breaking that feel good habit



IMO any drug you get addicted to get pretty shitty pretty quick. The pros grow smaller and the cons grow larger with tolerance. Pretty quick you are just using your drug of choice to escape reality which may or may not be that bad. It is just low due to your drug use

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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22255375 - 09/18/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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i can get all focused and motivated but literally after 2-3 days i just absolutely have to have a drink. usually 2 days :sad: it fucking sucks. i never even thought about problems with alcohol when i was younger but ive been drinking pretty heavily since i was 16 and now i see what the big deal is about. any advice from people that stopped?





if I can stop smoking after 35 years, you can stop drinking


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    #22255438 - 09/18/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's not necessarily what you are saying that I disagree with

It's the tone you say it in and the amount of respect you show to the person posting what he is posting and saying what he is saying


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    #22255477 - 09/18/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

thanks guys. i really need to do something


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Shroomslip] * 2
    #22255551 - 09/18/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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This isn't directed at you, nor do I disagree with the rest of what you said, I've seen it mentioned more than once so now I'm going to give my opinion on it.

I would never recommend anyone go to AA. Especially when anonymity matters. Anyone can out you at any time, and there is no legal repercussion to doing so. It's not mandated like a therapist or psychiatrist. It's just some thing that everyone has largely agreed to. Just because it's in the name, doesn't mean it is. From my experiences (take note of this, because I'm sure someone's gonna wanna tell me how I'm wrong) most everyone that I've met (there have been a lot from many different places, not just one particular "group") who goes is a giant self-righteous asshole (We have one on these very forums). The meetings I had to attend while on probation were no better. It's just a cult. If you don't do everything their way or question any of it, they all turn hostile to you. They treat you as a subhuman. You can't even not believe in God, or they get hostile. You have to play along and agree and believe in everything they do and say. If you aren't willing to conform in every way possible to the mass, you will be treated like an outsider and unwelcome.

"It works for some people". Yes, but so does cold turkey or turning exclusively to religion. The only way any method is going to work, is if you believe it will work and you make it work. There is no magical quit solution. In the end it's all on you. Whatever makes it work for you, go for it. AA is hardly the miracle cure, and the environment of that shit makes it far less successful than it could be if it actually were like what people make it out to be. For a bunch of ex-addicts who struggled to overcome it, they sure aren't very tolerant of new comers having trouble getting and staying on track. You can have 6 months sober, the second you admit you had so much as a sip of a beer a couple weeks back, they start actually getting angry at you and telling you what a worthless piece of shit you are, how you wasted "their time" and either need to do what they say or piss off somewhere else.



Honestly, You sound like a person...and, I have met many through the years that disses AA after just sticking one toe in the water....Called "contempt prior to investigation" and can help keep a man in everlasting ignorance. AA is a program for people who WANT to stop drinking, not people who NEED to. You remind me of the person that will pick out the one pervert that goes to church every sunday and down that church, while 1000 others lead spiritual and peaceful lives.
AA is not, nor EVER has been a religious program...the founders were careful about that. AA is a spiritual program and only requires that one come up with the concept of a power greater than themselves. The PROGRAM of AA then goes on to help the alcoholic list his shortcomings, tell them to someone ..then make direct ammends to people they have harmed....After that, you simply try to help other people (in and out of AA)when asked to.

Yeah, I can see how this could be very dangerous! OMFG all these strange people that have dealt with their past and made ammends...and now helping others!! What will the world come to?

I get sick of people downing a program that saved my life and countless others...The founder, Bill Wilson was listed in Time magazine as one of the most important people (100) of the 20th century...and literally millions of once suffering alcoholics have learned to live life on lifes terms without the crutch of alcohol. Hell, Bill Wilson even tried LSD and had high regards for that before it was made illegal.

I have been sober for 16 ..almost 17 years because of this program and stay involved today...I NEVER down a person for going back out....I simply ask them...How is your way working out?..Let me know when you're ready to put both feet in.

I really don't think OP is done trying his controlled remedies yet, hence not ready for AA. AA is what people turn to whe all else has failed...and, I don't think he's there yet.

Please keep your unfounded and ill-researched ideas to yourself shroomism...you may be stopping someone from trying something that could very well save their life.:sunny::peace:


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22255560 - 09/18/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i heard he was going to make taking LSD as one of the steps


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    #22255597 - 09/18/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

LOL...not exactly...but he did think it showed great promise in helping people with the spiritual aspect of AA. I tend to agree:wink:...The only drug I do today is mushrooms or maybe LSD. Once or twice a year to help keep myself grounded.

If you knew the amounts of booze and other drugs that I have consumed in my life and the consequences that I have bben through, you would wonder how I'm even alive....If you like, you could PM me.:sunny::peace:


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    #22255614 - 09/18/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

AA is a cult. And scientifically proven to be worse for you than no treatment at all.

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    #22255637 - 09/18/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not shroomism, not unfounded nor ill-researched ideas. They are experiences. If you read in that post very clearly you will see the part bolded where I said it was my experience, because I knew someone was going to swoop in and act like it was a miracle cure. You're also missing this post:
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Shroomslip said:
Basically, I suggest other alternatives. There are many. I would never personally recommend AA. If noting else works, try it out, who knows, maybe it'll work for you. But I'd advise taking every other path available before going there.



That shows we even both agree.
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I really don't think OP is done trying his controlled remedies yet, hence not ready for AA. AA is what people turn to whe all else has failed...and, I don't think he's there yet.





You can act as if I'm talking out of my ass all you want, but I know my experiences better than you do. In my life I've probably met no less than 15 or 20 people from unique AA groups, both online and in person. Not a huge sample size, but when every single one is a jackass, it really starts to build a picture.

I have an opinion and one founded in actual experience, both inside and outside the program. You're just going to have to deal with that. People have a right to make informed decisions, so I'm sorry if I'm not just sitting button lipped while everyone extols the virtues of AA.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22255660 - 09/18/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You are entitled to your ridiculous opinion...lol


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    #22255695 - 09/18/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

A ridiculous opinion that you share. "AA is a last step measure".


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    #22255928 - 09/18/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

unless you are religious i don't see how AA can even work.


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    #22255939 - 09/18/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think the idea is to turn you from an addicted alcoholic, into a sex addict.  At least those are the stories I always read about, massive orgys n stuff



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    #22256149 - 09/18/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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unless you are religious i don't see how AA can even work.



People often misconstrue the difference between religiosity and spirituality....Religiousity teaches by negative tenets...spirituality does not.

All that a person needs to understand is a concept of " A power greater than themselves"...I call mine God...one guy I know calls it Gus...."great universal spirit"....just realize that there must be something out there more powerful than me....At the end of my drinking, my response was...So this is where my best thinking got me....jail, divorce, hospitals...etc.


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    #22256153 - 09/18/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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A ridiculous opinion that you share. "AA is a last step measure".



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    #22256159 - 09/18/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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        God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
        The courage to change the things I can,
        And the wisdom to know the difference.






It's right there in the chant they do at the beginning of every meeting. Nothing misconstrued about it.


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    #22256188 - 09/18/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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unless you are religious i don't see how AA can even work.



People often misconstrue the difference between religiosity and spirituality....Religiousity teaches by negative tenets...spirituality does not.

All that a person needs to understand is a concept of " A power greater than themselves"...I call mine God...one guy I know calls it Gus...."great universal spirit"....just realize that there must be something out there more powerful than me....At the end of my drinking, my response was...So this is where my best thinking got me....jail, divorce, hospitals...etc.




God is a religious term, greater power is obviously trying to get you to believe in a monotheistic force, although they give you the freedom to name it. Something more powerful then an individual that doesnt follow that criteria hmm...death, the law, love, hatred, large crowds, lions, the sun. What gets you to stop drinking? Inner strength, not resigned resignation to your addiction and some pitiful plea to god to save you. Fucking man up.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22256207 - 09/18/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes God is used in that....the Serenity prayer....but it is a "God of your understanding"...Some people say God= group of drunks...or good orderly direction....there is no Christian faith shoved down your throat.....No where in any of the literature does it mention Jesus Christ or Allah or Muhammad or Abraham...that is not the point. The point is ..something bigger than myself.

Some groups still do use the Lords Prayer though...and, I don't agree with that.....that does smack of Christianity.


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    #22256214 - 09/18/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The core psychological principle of AA is convincing you that you're powerless to addiction. That is so ass backwards to me its not even funny.


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    #22256217 - 09/18/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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God is a religious term, greater power is obviously trying to get you to believe in a monotheistic force, although they give you the freedom to name it. Something more powerful then an individual that doesnt follow that criteria hmm...death, the law, love, hatred, large crowds, lions, the sun. What gets you to stop drinking? Inner strength, not resigned resignation to your addiction and some pitiful plea to god to save you. Fucking man up.




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    #22256230 - 09/18/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The core psychological principle of AA is convincing you that you're powerless to addiction. That is so ass backwards to me its not even funny.



There are millions of people in at least 97 different countries that would beg to differ.


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    #22256313 - 09/18/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

AA only works for people who are rock bottom ime. and even then many relapse. if it works for your great, it doesnt work for everyone.


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    #22256348 - 09/18/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly, the recidivism rate is like 80% or something like that. If it was legal things like ibogaine and Ayahuasca have ridiculous 90% success rates in treating addiction. AA sucks.


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    #22256352 - 09/18/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Source?


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    #22256387 - 09/18/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I cant find any conclusive studies but the 80% figure pops up everywhere ibogaine is mentioned in addiction treatment.

http://fusion.net/video/17214/new-psychoactive-drug-used-to-treat-heroin-addiction-will-also-have-you-tripping-out/


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22256397 - 09/18/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You'll quit after a few of your friends die from it. Lost two buddies this year because of alcohol abuse, I'm starting to notice irregular heartbeats sometimes too. Freaks me out but the damage is already done.


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    #22256424 - 09/18/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I cant find any conclusive studies but the 80% figure pops up everywhere ibogaine is mentioned in addiction treatment.

http://fusion.net/video/17214/new-psychoactive-drug-used-to-treat-heroin-addiction-will-also-have-you-tripping-out/



There is no way to know how many people go back out in AA so any numbers you see are bullshit because AA is anonymous. Some people go out several times (retesting the waters) before they finally do get sober. AA is not just about stopping drinking...it is about addressing the causes and conditions behind the alcoholism...that is why it works. Very few people want to do the hard work that is required...but, those that do often do go on to live peaceful sober lives. From what I have seen in my experience...better than 50% of the people I have seen (that worked the program)...did the 12 steps and apply them to their lives...stayed sober for at least a year...some leave AA then, so it's hard to say whether they started drinking again or not.

Honestly, I think Ibogaine has tremendous potential for helping people recover from addictions and should be studied further. Being a untreated alcoholic/ addict sucks and whatever can be used to help should be. There are some treatment centers out there that really fucking take advantage of people by wayyy overcharging for services...they usually just send them to AA when you're done anyway.


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    #22257074 - 09/18/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Another thing that has been shown to be more effective then abstinence is devolping responsible practices when it comes to drinking. Learning moderation rather then making your life about not drinking also has an 80% success rate. Basically AA is the worst out of any option you have available to you, even though it works for some.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22257127 - 09/18/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm just going to cut back and only drink a little on the weekends. That's been my main goal. It's not like I'm drinking bottles of vodka a day, last night was the first time I drank hard alcohol in like a a month, I don't really like it. AA just seems too weird to me with their God shit all mixed in a tainting it


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22257257 - 09/18/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I would say cold turkey is the best.

Do it cold and its gunna suck, especially if u drink a lot frequently.


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