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Thayendanegea
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Bodhi of Ankou said: The core psychological principle of AA is convincing you that you're powerless to addiction. That is so ass backwards to me its not even funny.
There are millions of people in at least 97 different countries that would beg to differ.
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ReposadoXochipilli
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AA only works for people who are rock bottom ime. and even then many relapse. if it works for your great, it doesnt work for everyone.
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Bodhi of Ankou
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Exactly, the recidivism rate is like 80% or something like that. If it was legal things like ibogaine and Ayahuasca have ridiculous 90% success rates in treating addiction. AA sucks.
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Bodhi of Ankou
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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
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I cant find any conclusive studies but the 80% figure pops up everywhere ibogaine is mentioned in addiction treatment.
http://fusion.net/video/17214/new-psychoactive-drug-used-to-treat-heroin-addiction-will-also-have-you-tripping-out/
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Nobler Hino
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You'll quit after a few of your friends die from it. Lost two buddies this year because of alcohol abuse, I'm starting to notice irregular heartbeats sometimes too. Freaks me out but the damage is already done.
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Thayendanegea
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Bodhi of Ankou said: I cant find any conclusive studies but the 80% figure pops up everywhere ibogaine is mentioned in addiction treatment.
http://fusion.net/video/17214/new-psychoactive-drug-used-to-treat-heroin-addiction-will-also-have-you-tripping-out/
There is no way to know how many people go back out in AA so any numbers you see are bullshit because AA is anonymous. Some people go out several times (retesting the waters) before they finally do get sober. AA is not just about stopping drinking...it is about addressing the causes and conditions behind the alcoholism...that is why it works. Very few people want to do the hard work that is required...but, those that do often do go on to live peaceful sober lives. From what I have seen in my experience...better than 50% of the people I have seen (that worked the program)...did the 12 steps and apply them to their lives...stayed sober for at least a year...some leave AA then, so it's hard to say whether they started drinking again or not.
Honestly, I think Ibogaine has tremendous potential for helping people recover from addictions and should be studied further. Being a untreated alcoholic/ addict sucks and whatever can be used to help should be. There are some treatment centers out there that really fucking take advantage of people by wayyy overcharging for services...they usually just send them to AA when you're done anyway.
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Bodhi of Ankou
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Another thing that has been shown to be more effective then abstinence is devolping responsible practices when it comes to drinking. Learning moderation rather then making your life about not drinking also has an 80% success rate. Basically AA is the worst out of any option you have available to you, even though it works for some.
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Rebelutionsssss
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I'm just going to cut back and only drink a little on the weekends. That's been my main goal. It's not like I'm drinking bottles of vodka a day, last night was the first time I drank hard alcohol in like a a month, I don't really like it. AA just seems too weird to me with their God shit all mixed in a tainting it
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LogicaL Chaos
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I would say cold turkey is the best.
Do it cold and its gunna suck, especially if u drink a lot frequently.
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