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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: SunnyD]
    #22255356 - 09/18/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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AddyZomeD said:
Alcohol Is a shitty drug ime


Im surprised about the current addicts to it. but i guess i can see how someone could get addicted to drunkedness



Like its  been said. addiction can be  stopped. Takes alot of work of breaking that feel good habit



IMO any drug you get addicted to get pretty shitty pretty quick. The pros grow smaller and the cons grow larger with tolerance. Pretty quick you are just using your drug of choice to escape reality which may or may not be that bad. It is just low due to your drug use

anything that gets you "high" can get you addicted


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22255375 - 09/18/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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i can get all focused and motivated but literally after 2-3 days i just absolutely have to have a drink. usually 2 days :sad: it fucking sucks. i never even thought about problems with alcohol when i was younger but ive been drinking pretty heavily since i was 16 and now i see what the big deal is about. any advice from people that stopped?





if I can stop smoking after 35 years, you can stop drinking


stop being a bitch to the booze


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
    #22255438 - 09/18/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's not necessarily what you are saying that I disagree with

It's the tone you say it in and the amount of respect you show to the person posting what he is posting and saying what he is saying


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Magenta]
    #22255477 - 09/18/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

thanks guys. i really need to do something


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Shroomslip] * 2
    #22255551 - 09/18/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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This isn't directed at you, nor do I disagree with the rest of what you said, I've seen it mentioned more than once so now I'm going to give my opinion on it.

I would never recommend anyone go to AA. Especially when anonymity matters. Anyone can out you at any time, and there is no legal repercussion to doing so. It's not mandated like a therapist or psychiatrist. It's just some thing that everyone has largely agreed to. Just because it's in the name, doesn't mean it is. From my experiences (take note of this, because I'm sure someone's gonna wanna tell me how I'm wrong) most everyone that I've met (there have been a lot from many different places, not just one particular "group") who goes is a giant self-righteous asshole (We have one on these very forums). The meetings I had to attend while on probation were no better. It's just a cult. If you don't do everything their way or question any of it, they all turn hostile to you. They treat you as a subhuman. You can't even not believe in God, or they get hostile. You have to play along and agree and believe in everything they do and say. If you aren't willing to conform in every way possible to the mass, you will be treated like an outsider and unwelcome.

"It works for some people". Yes, but so does cold turkey or turning exclusively to religion. The only way any method is going to work, is if you believe it will work and you make it work. There is no magical quit solution. In the end it's all on you. Whatever makes it work for you, go for it. AA is hardly the miracle cure, and the environment of that shit makes it far less successful than it could be if it actually were like what people make it out to be. For a bunch of ex-addicts who struggled to overcome it, they sure aren't very tolerant of new comers having trouble getting and staying on track. You can have 6 months sober, the second you admit you had so much as a sip of a beer a couple weeks back, they start actually getting angry at you and telling you what a worthless piece of shit you are, how you wasted "their time" and either need to do what they say or piss off somewhere else.



Honestly, You sound like a person...and, I have met many through the years that disses AA after just sticking one toe in the water....Called "contempt prior to investigation" and can help keep a man in everlasting ignorance. AA is a program for people who WANT to stop drinking, not people who NEED to. You remind me of the person that will pick out the one pervert that goes to church every sunday and down that church, while 1000 others lead spiritual and peaceful lives.
AA is not, nor EVER has been a religious program...the founders were careful about that. AA is a spiritual program and only requires that one come up with the concept of a power greater than themselves. The PROGRAM of AA then goes on to help the alcoholic list his shortcomings, tell them to someone ..then make direct ammends to people they have harmed....After that, you simply try to help other people (in and out of AA)when asked to.

Yeah, I can see how this could be very dangerous! OMFG all these strange people that have dealt with their past and made ammends...and now helping others!! What will the world come to?

I get sick of people downing a program that saved my life and countless others...The founder, Bill Wilson was listed in Time magazine as one of the most important people (100) of the 20th century...and literally millions of once suffering alcoholics have learned to live life on lifes terms without the crutch of alcohol. Hell, Bill Wilson even tried LSD and had high regards for that before it was made illegal.

I have been sober for 16 ..almost 17 years because of this program and stay involved today...I NEVER down a person for going back out....I simply ask them...How is your way working out?..Let me know when you're ready to put both feet in.

I really don't think OP is done trying his controlled remedies yet, hence not ready for AA. AA is what people turn to whe all else has failed...and, I don't think he's there yet.

Please keep your unfounded and ill-researched ideas to yourself shroomism...you may be stopping someone from trying something that could very well save their life.:sunny::peace:


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22255560 - 09/18/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i heard he was going to make taking LSD as one of the steps


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22255597 - 09/18/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

LOL...not exactly...but he did think it showed great promise in helping people with the spiritual aspect of AA. I tend to agree:wink:...The only drug I do today is mushrooms or maybe LSD. Once or twice a year to help keep myself grounded.

If you knew the amounts of booze and other drugs that I have consumed in my life and the consequences that I have bben through, you would wonder how I'm even alive....If you like, you could PM me.:sunny::peace:


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22255614 - 09/18/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

AA is a cult. And scientifically proven to be worse for you than no treatment at all.

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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22255637 - 09/18/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not shroomism, not unfounded nor ill-researched ideas. They are experiences. If you read in that post very clearly you will see the part bolded where I said it was my experience, because I knew someone was going to swoop in and act like it was a miracle cure. You're also missing this post:
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Shroomslip said:
Basically, I suggest other alternatives. There are many. I would never personally recommend AA. If noting else works, try it out, who knows, maybe it'll work for you. But I'd advise taking every other path available before going there.



That shows we even both agree.
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Thayendanegea said:
I really don't think OP is done trying his controlled remedies yet, hence not ready for AA. AA is what people turn to whe all else has failed...and, I don't think he's there yet.





You can act as if I'm talking out of my ass all you want, but I know my experiences better than you do. In my life I've probably met no less than 15 or 20 people from unique AA groups, both online and in person. Not a huge sample size, but when every single one is a jackass, it really starts to build a picture.

I have an opinion and one founded in actual experience, both inside and outside the program. You're just going to have to deal with that. People have a right to make informed decisions, so I'm sorry if I'm not just sitting button lipped while everyone extols the virtues of AA.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22255660 - 09/18/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You are entitled to your ridiculous opinion...lol


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22255695 - 09/18/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

A ridiculous opinion that you share. "AA is a last step measure".


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Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22255928 - 09/18/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

unless you are religious i don't see how AA can even work.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: SurReality]
    #22255939 - 09/18/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think the idea is to turn you from an addicted alcoholic, into a sex addict.  At least those are the stories I always read about, massive orgys n stuff



that's why they have these pins so they can avoid those akward moments


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: SurReality] * 1
    #22256149 - 09/18/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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unless you are religious i don't see how AA can even work.



People often misconstrue the difference between religiosity and spirituality....Religiousity teaches by negative tenets...spirituality does not.

All that a person needs to understand is a concept of " A power greater than themselves"...I call mine God...one guy I know calls it Gus...."great universal spirit"....just realize that there must be something out there more powerful than me....At the end of my drinking, my response was...So this is where my best thinking got me....jail, divorce, hospitals...etc.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22256153 - 09/18/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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A ridiculous opinion that you share. "AA is a last step measure".



Yes, I agree with that.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22256159 - 09/18/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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        God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
        The courage to change the things I can,
        And the wisdom to know the difference.






It's right there in the chant they do at the beginning of every meeting. Nothing misconstrued about it.


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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22256188 - 09/18/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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SurReality said:
unless you are religious i don't see how AA can even work.



People often misconstrue the difference between religiosity and spirituality....Religiousity teaches by negative tenets...spirituality does not.

All that a person needs to understand is a concept of " A power greater than themselves"...I call mine God...one guy I know calls it Gus...."great universal spirit"....just realize that there must be something out there more powerful than me....At the end of my drinking, my response was...So this is where my best thinking got me....jail, divorce, hospitals...etc.




God is a religious term, greater power is obviously trying to get you to believe in a monotheistic force, although they give you the freedom to name it. Something more powerful then an individual that doesnt follow that criteria hmm...death, the law, love, hatred, large crowds, lions, the sun. What gets you to stop drinking? Inner strength, not resigned resignation to your addiction and some pitiful plea to god to save you. Fucking man up.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22256207 - 09/18/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes God is used in that....the Serenity prayer....but it is a "God of your understanding"...Some people say God= group of drunks...or good orderly direction....there is no Christian faith shoved down your throat.....No where in any of the literature does it mention Jesus Christ or Allah or Muhammad or Abraham...that is not the point. The point is ..something bigger than myself.

Some groups still do use the Lords Prayer though...and, I don't agree with that.....that does smack of Christianity.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22256214 - 09/18/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The core psychological principle of AA is convincing you that you're powerless to addiction. That is so ass backwards to me its not even funny.


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Re: how do i stop drinking guys [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22256217 - 09/18/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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God is a religious term, greater power is obviously trying to get you to believe in a monotheistic force, although they give you the freedom to name it. Something more powerful then an individual that doesnt follow that criteria hmm...death, the law, love, hatred, large crowds, lions, the sun. What gets you to stop drinking? Inner strength, not resigned resignation to your addiction and some pitiful plea to god to save you. Fucking man up.




AA is for people that have tried this and failed.:sunny::peace:


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