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Panaeolous Cinctulus Identification.
    #22249632 - 09/17/15 05:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Was wondering if I have also found some Panaeolus sp.? Anyone confirm this as I havent found or identified these before.




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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: TaekwonDude]
    #22249636 - 09/17/15 05:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: TaekwonDude] * 1
    #22249799 - 09/17/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It looks like you have two different types.  Without seeing a spore print, I would say that you have pan foe.  But the other type looks like a liberty cap???


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: Gilzman]
    #22249828 - 09/17/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I know there libs alright just the others i was wondering about.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: TaekwonDude]
    #22249979 - 09/17/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Cinctulus are frustrating to gather because often you have to spore print it to make sure. At first glance they look brown spored (Panaeolus foenisecii) but you can spore print it to make sure. Black spores = P. cinctulus.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: Peteza34]
    #22250061 - 09/17/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

look to be Panaeolina/Panaeolus foenisecii


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: Joust]
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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: TaekwonDude]
    #22250957 - 09/17/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You have some Psilocybe semilanceata and what looks like Panaeolus foenisecii


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22252142 - 09/17/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What do ye think of the spore print?
To me it looks like a tiny bit is brownish but majority is jet black.
taking another one anyway and gonna check it tomorrow.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: TaekwonDude]
    #22252503 - 09/17/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

To save time with the Cinct vs Foe struggle....I bring a piece of white paper out in the field with me and just take the gills of a mushroom I think might be a Cinct, and I wipe them on the paper. It immediately show what color the spores are.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: FryersQuest]
    #22252554 - 09/17/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like Pan Foe to me based on the print but I've found tons of Pan Subbs that look exactly the same as the mushrooms you found but came up with a black spore print.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: Urist]
    #22253624 - 09/17/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know...I am skeptical about that print.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: FryersQuest]
    #22254526 - 09/18/15 04:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not too sure myself tbh.  It wouldnt leave too good of a print for me. 
Itd be nice if they were psychoactive as the temps where I am still very warm so Im only finding a small amount of liberty caps, twould be nice to have a few "extras" when I run out of libs.  Only found 11 yesterday and 55 two days earlier. 

Gonna do that with the piece of paper today and see if I manage to find any Subs/cincts.
Looks like there could be some gymnopilus growing in my spot also but I aint to sure about it.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: TaekwonDude]
    #22255440 - 09/18/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have found a bigger one of these mushrooms today, the lines on the stipe are actually twisting around it and not straight.

Could possibly be a Cinctulus.
Taking a spore print of this one iv found now and will post in a while.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: TaekwonDude]
    #22255472 - 09/18/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: TaekwonDude]
    #22255487 - 09/18/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)







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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: TaekwonDude]
    #22255490 - 09/18/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Bad pics my phone was about to die.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: TaekwonDude]
    #22255498 - 09/18/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Woah Im starting to trip hard.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: TaekwonDude]
    #22255642 - 09/18/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They identify as psilocybe semilanceata to me.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: White Spirit]
    #22256037 - 09/18/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nope definitely not


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: TaekwonDude]
    #22256099 - 09/18/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There are no known toxic Panaeolus so you can eat any of them, if you get some foes on accident it's no big deal. You probably want to be hunting Liberty caps.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22256360 - 09/18/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)





Best i could get once again as cap was fairly squashed when I got back.

Looks pretty jet black to me. ?


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22256372 - 09/18/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

oh thats good.
Yeah I am mainly hunting Libs but because of the weather I can only find a small few.
So I thought why not try gather a few of these as Im looking for libs.  So I can have a stronger trip with them all rather than just off of 30-50 (most iv found so far this season) liberty caps.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: White Spirit]
    #22256375 - 09/18/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

All I can tell you is that I've gotten a lot of experience with Pans this season and the spore prints usually look BLACK




These were all pan subbs. I can dig up the spore prints and show you what they look like if you want?


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: Urist]
    #22256385 - 09/18/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nice one.
Yes if you wouldnt mind.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: TaekwonDude]
    #22256776 - 09/18/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)





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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: Urist]
    #22256827 - 09/18/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you.
Think I do have some.
Whats the dosage of these like fresh?
Presuming just a few more than with libs. Ie, 30 libs - 40/50 cincts?? No?  I hear it varies but you have first hand experience.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: TaekwonDude]
    #22256880 - 09/18/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Liberty caps are a lot more potent then cinctulus.

Name | Psilocybin |Psilocin |Baeocystin

Conocybe Cyanopus |.930-.0450 |.70-0 | .03-.1
Conocybe Smithii |na |na |.4-.8
Gymnopilus Purpuratus |.34 |.29 |.5
Gymnopilus Validipes |.12 |na |na
Panaeolus Cinctulus |.15-.6 |na |.001-.0005
Psilocybe Azurescens |1.78 |.38 |.35
Psilocybe Baeocystis |.85 |.59 |.10
Psilocybe Bohemica |.93-1.34 |.11-.28 |.02
Psilocybe Cubensis |.63 |.25-.60 |.02-.025
Psilocybe Cyanescens |.85 |.36 |.03
Psilocybe Cyanofibrillosa |.21 |.04 |na
Psilocybe Hoogshagenii |.60 |.10 |na
Psilocybe Liniformans |.16 |na |.005
Psliocybe Semilanceata |.98 |.02 |.36

Psilocybe Stuntzii |.36 |.12 |.02
Psliocybe Tampanensis |.68 |.32 |na
Psilocybe Weilii |.61 |.27 |.05


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22256965 - 09/18/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

First and foremost....yes, the prints you took do appear to be black. However you aren't taking very good prints. Are the mushrooms you are picking really dry? You should leave them sitting for at least a couple of hours. Putting a cup over them is good because it minimizes air flow and allows the spores to drop. But yes, it looks like you got some cincts.

Secondly, Maynard, where did you get those numbers regarding Psilocybin/Psilocin/Beaocystin content? The Shroomery's dosage calculator says that Cinctulus are stronger than Stuntzii. Cinctulus is tough though because the potency varies so much. What I have consistently heard is that when they are found in pastures, they are much stronger.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: TaekwonDude]
    #22256979 - 09/18/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well the dry dosage is 6g for a level 4 experience.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: Urist]
    #22257004 - 09/18/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Potency varies. I just recently took 4 grams dry of Cinctulus and had fantastic level 1 trip. Some of the best mushrooms I have ever had honestly. But they were weak. I suppose you could say it was bordering on level 2 though.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: FryersQuest]
    #22257036 - 09/18/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Secondly, Maynard, where did you get those numbers regarding Psilocybin/Psilocin/Beaocystin content? The Shroomery's dosage calculator says that Cinctulus are stronger than Stuntzii.




https://mycotopia.net/topic/64684-alkaloid-concentration-of-dried-psilocybin-mushroomspsychedelic-mushrooms-in-tennky/

There's no citation of a source though.

I was looking on google for awhile but didn't care enough to find a more credible source.
I was just trying to show a comparison of cinctulus and Semilanceata.

How do you know that the shroomery dosage calculator is correct?


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22257110 - 09/18/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks people.
In future I will leave them longer and the ones I printed were a bit squashed and slightly dry.
I see I see :smile:


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: TaekwonDude]
    #22257128 - 09/18/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That big fucker looks like P. Cincticulus from here


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: MadMuncher]
    #22257307 - 09/18/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Gonna juat dry them and keep collectimg them every time I pick some libs.  Eventually should have a fair amount of them over time to make one giant cup of tea.  Sure that will truly determine cinct or foe.  Or a bit of both but what harm I geuss lol.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: TaekwonDude]
    #22257726 - 09/18/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They are all from a field which is grazed by horses too if this may affect potency as was mentioned.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22258844 - 09/19/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The Shroomery's dosage calculator is not correct at all actually. Honestly that is why I was a little anxious when I took them, I was preparing to go way further out than I actually did. Your numbers are correct (as far as Cinctulus goes). I did a lot of research on them and potency has varied when tested. The highest potency being in Serbia...I believe.


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    #22258874 - 09/19/15 02:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

P. azurescens are by far the most potent.


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22258930 - 09/19/15 03:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I am so jealous of the PNW....I live in SoCal....so close to good shrooms....but so far away...


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Re: Panaelous Cinctulus Identification. [Re: Urist]
    #22259238 - 09/19/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Atm im tripping of liberty caps, gonna go and make some tea from these "subs" now sure why not


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    #22259242 - 09/19/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I am absolutely dying to find some cyanescens


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