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Offlinemuckamuck
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non attachment.
    #22249631 - 09/17/15 05:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Im getting bitter and i dont like it. Is there a way to participate in the world as it is and be happy / content at the same time? Maybe im getting old but everything kind of just irritates me lately, cant turn anywhere without discovering something horrible. I like the idea of non attachment, it makes sense to me because I enjoy videogames, even if the universe im playing in is horrible I know it aint real so I dont take it too seriously. It would be cool if I could have the same attitude toward things in life but things just get to me. I dont like angry people and I dont wanna be one, but everything is so messy with wars, refugees, facebooks, googles, new world orders, muslims, progressives, mosquito drones, spider goats, robo cops, cortical modems, and the generally millenarian atmosphere im sensing everywhere, its difficult to accept and gets overwhelming and I just want to go live in the woods with my bosmer bretheren but I dont have the correct permits or documentation. Part of me wants to just say fuck it and disappear but having no goals or direction isnt making things better, I must be doing it wrong becausd non attachment has mostly made me feel isolated and hopelesx so far.


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InvisibleThecollective
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Re: non attachment. [Re: muckamuck]
    #22249820 - 09/17/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Is there a way to participate in the world as it is and be happy / content at the same time?



Yes.  I hope more people chime in, but here's my experience.

Happiness, equanimity is a part one's intrinsic state of being. 

I don't think what you say has anything to do with physical age what you are feeling, just awareness.  I know people who are 70 and yet to realize what you have stated here. 

Going into the woods, self-isolation, may help in a healing manner, although it's more like training wheels,(not entirely necessary) then you can go out into the world, and stuff rolls off like water on a duck's back.

I don't think you are doing attachment wrong, there are different phases we all go through.  I think it's important to hone in on your loci of control...there are a few good authors on such.  Start small, then expand outwards, it will help with the hopelessness and existential stuff.  Then when you are ready to handle wordly troubles, you will be approaching it from a point of empowerment and strength.
(also the first three minutes of Cessation of Perception; insight into self-SCR/14/94 might help Ven. Ayya Khema)

Training your "light of wisdom" to focus on your mind-door will also help in understanding why the attachment arises, and helps dispel the need for them to arise in the first place.

In end, you are doing well, keep going, you'll get there. :laugh:


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Re: non attachment. [Re: muckamuck]
    #22250829 - 09/17/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

One does not have to hide from humanity to practice detachment. In fact, all one can do geographically is to isolate oneself by living in a less populated area, but each of us belongs to humanity regardless. Consider yourself most fortunate if you do not live in a war-zone. Consider yourself blessed if you are not a person whose job it is to declare or wage war. In fact, all one can do in a world-going-mad is to be compassionate to the people you encounter. Compassion requires only a modicum of attachment. It doesn't require much to be kind, even through simple courtesy like holding a door open on the way into a building even if the person is 10 feet from the door. A simple smile or a thank you goes a long way in the world. These too convey compassion. Helping someone jump-start their car with battery cables is an act of compassion, and refusing money for it demonstrates selflessness. These are not complicated actions. Refraining from anger is something we all have to work with, especially in traffic (where I have been known to shout or even flip the bird on occasion, until I almost precipitated violence. A good reminder-lesson). When you encounter assholes, simply increase the amount of detachment in your response. You cannot control the behavior of others, but you can adjust the degree of your reaction to it. Consider yourself to be sane, and others to be insane. Stay centered, quiet, observant of their rantings without allowing yourself to be incited to anger. Clinicians cannot take crazy people's insults personally. We must be clinicians.

The Empty Boat 
Chuang Tzu

He who rules men lives in confusion;
He who is ruled by men lives in sorrow.
Yao therefore desired
Neither to influence others
Nor to be influenced by them.
The way to get clear of confusion
And free of sorrow
Is to live with Tao
In the land of the great Void.

If a man is crossing a river
And an empty boat collides with his own skiff,
Even though he be a bad-tempered man
He will not become very angry.
But if he sees a man in the boat,
He will shout at him to steer clear.
If the shout is not heard, he will shout again,
And yet again, and begin cursing.
And all because there is somebody in the boat.
Yet if the boat were empty.
He would not be shouting, and not angry.


If you can empty your own boat
Crossing the river of the world,
No one will oppose you,
No one will seek to harm you.

The straight tree is the first to be cut down,
The spring of clear water is the first to be drained dry.
If you wish to improve your wisdom
And shame the ignorant,
To cultivate your character
And outshine others;
A light will shine around you
As if you had swallowed the sun and the moon:
You will not avoid calamity.

A wise man has said:
"He who is content with himself
Has done a worthless work.
Achievement is the beginning of failure.
Fame is beginning of disgrace."

Who can free himself from achievement
And from fame, descend and be lost
Amid the masses of men?
He will flow like Tao, unseen,
He will go about like Life itself
With no name and no home.
Simple is he, without distinction.
To all appearances he is a fool.
His steps leave no trace. He has no power.
He achieves nothing, has no reputation.
Since he judges no one
No one judges him.
Such is the perfect man:
His boat is empty.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself


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Re: non attachment. [Re: muckamuck]
    #22259272 - 09/19/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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muckamuck said:
Im getting bitter and i dont like it. Is there a way to participate in the world as it is and be happy / content at the same time? Maybe im getting old but everything kind of just irritates me lately, cant turn anywhere without discovering something horrible. I like the idea of non attachment, it makes sense to me because I enjoy videogames, even if the universe im playing in is horrible I know it aint real so I dont take it too seriously. It would be cool if I could have the same attitude toward things in life but things just get to me. I dont like angry people and I dont wanna be one, but everything is so messy with wars, refugees, facebooks, googles, new world orders, muslims, progressives, mosquito drones, spider goats, robo cops, cortical modems, and the generally millenarian atmosphere im sensing everywhere, its difficult to accept and gets overwhelming and I just want to go live in the woods with my bosmer bretheren but I dont have the correct permits or documentation. Part of me wants to just say fuck it and disappear but having no goals or direction isnt making things better, I must be doing it wrong becausd non attachment has mostly made me feel isolated and hopelesx so far.




I wouldn't suggest trying to detach from the world to make things easier on yourself, rather find the place of equanimity within yourself so that you can remain calm in the midst of the storm. That space of equanimity isn't attached, but it doesn't mean you reach it by trying to detach from things, simply by seeing that it is already unattached and free.

I also wouldn't add muslims with the other negative aspects of our society that you listed, this is exactly the kind of thing the people that run the press want, so they can get support for yet even more wars... every muslim i have ever met has been more friendly than the natives in my own country, whereas the press lie to me everyday.


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Re: non attachment. [Re: Chronic7]
    #22259281 - 09/19/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

muckamuck said:
Im getting bitter and i dont like it. Is there a way to participate in the world as it is and be happy / content at the same time? Maybe im getting old but everything kind of just irritates me lately, cant turn anywhere without discovering something horrible. I like the idea of non attachment, it makes sense to me because I enjoy videogames, even if the universe im playing in is horrible I know it aint real so I dont take it too seriously. It would be cool if I could have the same attitude toward things in life but things just get to me. I dont like angry people and I dont wanna be one, but everything is so messy with wars, refugees, facebooks, googles, new world orders, muslims, progressives, mosquito drones, spider goats, robo cops, cortical modems, and the generally millenarian atmosphere im sensing everywhere, its difficult to accept and gets overwhelming and I just want to go live in the woods with my bosmer bretheren but I dont have the correct permits or documentation. Part of me wants to just say fuck it and disappear but having no goals or direction isnt making things better, I must be doing it wrong becausd non attachment has mostly made me feel isolated and hopelesx so far.




I wouldn't suggest trying to detach from the world to make things easier on yourself, rather find the place of equanimity within yourself so that you can remain calm in the midst of the storm. That space of equanimity isn't attached, but it doesn't mean you reach it by trying to detach from things, simply by seeing that it is already unattached and free, and that it is naturally yourself.

I also wouldn't add muslims with the negative aspects of our society that you listed, this is exactly the kind of thing the people that run the press want, so they can get support for yet even more wars... every muslim i have ever met has been more friendly than the natives in my own country, whereas the press lies to me everyday.


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Offlinemuckamuck
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Re: non attachment. [Re: Chronic7]
    #22259366 - 09/19/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm. I don't really want to be detached my attempts at connecting just never work out and I act like it's my choice. Muslims probably are friendly, I don't know what's wrong with me, sour grapes probably.


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