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The war on boys. 8
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Powerful video. Share your thoughts and discuss chaotically.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Shiithead]
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I blame girls for looking so hot, it gets distracting.
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Good video.
Here in holland literally 9 out of 10 teachers are females. That cant be right also. No male role models.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Asante] 6
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Male teachers of younger children sometimes are viewed with suspicion as well. When my father was preparing to be an elementary school principal he had to get some experience teaching grades he hadn't before, and he found that some parents were very suspicious that a man would want to teach kindergarten or primary classes.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: psi]
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My whole family is in education and I can 100% vouch for this.
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I think I speak for all men when I say, women are the devil...
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Naw, I wouldn't say that. I'd say the Democrats habit of dividing people up into 'special interest groups' and pitting them against others based on race, sex, etc, is really at the heart of a lot of problems here in the US.
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Think again xD
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Shiithead]
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I've actually thought about it quite a bit and this is the conclusion I've come to.
It's not set in stone, and I'm open to correction, or try to be...
Nevermind, you're talking about women.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: psi]
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psi said: Male teachers of younger children sometimes are viewed with suspicion as well. When my father was preparing to be an elementary school principal he had to get some experience teaching grades he hadn't before, and he found that some parents were very suspicious that a man would want to teach kindergarten or primary classes.
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Not to mention its crazy sexist. "you are a man, therefore a sex offender." Just shows how far the culture has gone.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Asante] 6
#22249611 - 09/17/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Plus when female teachers are pedophiles it isn't popularly considered to be all that big of a deal, and nobody ever generalizes it to all female teachers.
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Just wondering: how many of you that are both American and fathers have actually spended Some time naked with your Children? Or even have seen their own offspring naked? It is common in culture where i grew up To go in sauna together with your parents and family naked. Had an interesting chat with barkeeper yesterday about how shocked his Amerikan friend was when introduced To sauna and nakednes for First time. He saied that guys legs were actually Shakin when he tried(did not happen) To take Off his clothes before entering sauna. After that they had little chat about cultural differencies and the guy had no More problem going sauna naked with his friends.
There was just Some learned model that he unlearned out of.
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Is English not your first language?
I'm American, but not a father, although I have a father, we don't spend any time naked together though... Here hanging out naked with family is pretty abnormal and a rarity.
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I'm preparing to be a substitute teacher for some extra income and learning about this stuff. THanks for the video. Yeah, most teachers are female especially in the very young grades. I hear even from other teachers that it's "weird" that a male might want to teach kindergartners. Mostly it has to do with females and providing a mother role for young children who are just leaving the house on their own for the first time.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: PLURAL]
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I'm American, but not a father, although I have a father, we don't spend any time naked together though... Here hanging out naked with family is pretty abnormal and a rarity.
i would hope you have a father
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Yeah, I didn't have my first male teacher until grade 4. There was only one male teacher in my elementary school. He was a damn good teacher though.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Tybg]
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"You're right, this is serious, we need to track this boy down and give him his luckiest boy in America medal right away"
Honestly though, every male teacher I've had was the fucking man, I had a lot of them suprisingly and I think only one was a dick but even that depended on the day, on his good days you could hear pink floyd all the way up the hallway being blasted in between classes and him jamming out in the hallway and on his bad he would just scream over the smallest shit.
We all swore he was a pothead and just assumed those were the days he didn't have weed, so many rumors of him blazing with seniors that graduated, I wish I got to be one
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I didn't have a male teacher until about 6th grade.
Also, my freshman English teacher got caught sleeping with 16 year old students on several different occasions. Everybody knew, and it was pretty much just laughed away. "Lucky dude, I bet he got an A".
Fast forward to my senior year and my (male) math teacher sleeps with a 19 year old student. He's now in jail.
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I had a really cool male econ teacher in high school that used to burn.
right around graduation we made some really strong brownies and dropped em off for him.
We can back a week later to ask how they were and he gave us this grin that just said "you know how bad you little bastards fucked me up" and we all laughed about it.
in response to the thread though - really accurate, and I hadn't quite seen it in this light. it really isn't ok to fuck around and grow up anymore. "boys will be boys" has changed into "boys will be punished" all too soon.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: PLURAL]
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Nope, english is not my native language. Most of the times bad grammar is due autotype in my tablet(not set in english) Yeah I have a Dad, I respect the dude more than most of peoplle i have met during this incarnation. IMHO when i go sauna with my father we are both stripped naked literally, we are equal souls going trough same purifying&healing experince. And sharing a beer after that(in my language we have a special word only for that) is something really awesome. You are still steaming after goming from 80-100+ C sauna, wash up in lake. and let the overheat gently leave your body while sipping some fine ale naked on middle of nature. yep I thinks thats kinda bonding with each other. I all so go sauna with my 9 year old daughter So yep i think that your puritanism came to states with mayflower etc....
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: psi]
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psi said: Male teachers of younger children sometimes are viewed with suspicion as well. When my father was preparing to be an elementary school principal he had to get some experience teaching grades he hadn't before, and he found that some parents were very suspicious that a man would want to teach kindergarten or primary classes.
I was a teacher of children ages 6 to 60 and never encountered anything of the sort.
In all honesty, I think some of the parents wanted the D.
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you know me all too well.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: D.M.T]
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In fact, many parents would leave their teenage daughters alone with me for after hour lessons. Sometimes they would come to my house, sometimes I would go to theirs. I had several students who I taught after school, and 100% of them were teenage girls.
This wasn't an isolated thing either. I taught in Spain, Costa Rica, Thailand, and then returned to Costa Rica before coming back to the US.
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How many of them did you fuck?
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None. I'd be lying if I said the thought hadn't crossed my mind with those Spanish girls though. I was single, in my early 20s at that point, and a few of them were definitely jailbait that could pass for 20.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: D.M.T]
#22250596 - 09/17/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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paranoia is having its way with all your minds and its not even using lube just if your confused that wasn't a reply that's a message to this whole thread
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Shiithead]
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So is it a big conspiracy, or is it just the fact that women are hormonally programmed to love being around young children, where men aren't as much? Personally I don't really like being around little kids all that much for the most part, where most women I know absolutely go nuts over them.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: D.M.T]
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In all honesty, I think some of the parents wanted the D.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Shroomism]
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1992 - 2009. That's shortly before my 20th birthday to age 37.
I'm not saying it isn't an issue -- only that I personally never encountered it.
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OP's video is so very true.
Give a trophy to everybody that participates: It goes directly against male nature to compete. I have no idea who came up with that but there's 99.99% chance that it's a woman.
I didn't even know recesses were gettting shorter... The adult attention span before the Internet was roughly 20 minutes and needed 5 minutes to recover. 4-1 ratio. But we can stretch it. 15 minute recess for every hour and 15 minutes. Minimum. Boys have to move. fuck around, explore, do stupid shit. It's in our nature.
The education system is fucked up. Everybody know it. We've been taking about it for decades. Smart people have been offering solutions left and right. Intelligent solutions too. But nothing ever gets implemented or if it does it's like the hippie school of the district or a ridiculously expensive private school... People don't listen...
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: D.M.T]
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That's kinda why I asked... this madness has gotten exponentially worse in the last 10-15 years. I read about it being an issue before then, but it's just gotten completely lopsided and out of control like in the last 10 years.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Shiithead]
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OP you should watch this video. This chick has the shit down to a science.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Shroomism]
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things really arnt getting crazier its just getting harder for people to hide there dirty lil secrets
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Patlal]
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Wow. I genuinely hadn't considered the gendered quality of modern education. I hear a lot of people complaining about it becoming touchy-feely, and while I wasn't a fan of that, it hadn't occurred to me that the kind of teaching we've been transitioning to was excluding boys from learning. I'll have to keep this in mind if I find myself in the position of choosing a school in the future.
As far as schools eliminating recess, that's bullshit for a huge variety of reasons. Kids need that time for exercise, socialization, relaxation, memory consolidation, etc. Who in their right minds thinks getting rid of it will help our myriad of troubles?
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yeah take away recess and put the all on ritalin. Genius.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: r.lutece]
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You silly... we don't need recess anymore to get out their energy and aggression.. we just put them on speed.
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teach the kids how to think for there selfs and to follow there passions never give up on there dreams instead you teach them how to be a good lil slave and then wonder whats wrong with the world fucking tards you all worship plastic
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Shroomism]
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You silly... we don't need recess anymore to get out their energy and aggression.. we just put them on speed.
well how are we supposed to make money on recess?
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You silly... we don't need recess anymore to get out their energy and aggression.. we just put them on speed.
well how are we supposed to make money on recess?
Put in soda machines and sell junk food at inflated prices
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You shake up the little kids for their lunch money, duh.
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Stop being such a copy cat and I will
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Shroomism]
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And for good measure.

All in good fun.  But really, believes there is a war on men is a fucking idiot, and probably watches Fox News I'm sorry but it's the truth. I think I lost brain cells watching that video, granted I was homeschooled.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: SARAtonin]
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boys throw rocks at each other for fun might need something harder
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: SARAtonin]
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the ultra neo-feminist movement sure does make it feel like there's a war on boys.
I'm all for equal treatment but it doesn't seem to be the goal for many* of the women in those groups. 
here we go
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Dude, we have be oppressed for years, since the dawn of agriculture and civilization and the switch away from hunting and gathering, practically to the point if slavery for thousands of year.
And now when for the first time in human civilization we are starting to gain some rights back and even the playing field you guys start shouting that there is a war on men?
No. Fuck no.
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I'm all for equal treatment but it doesn't seem to be the goal for many* of the women in those groups. 
As a feminist...I completely fucking agree.
I do appreciate that you use the term 'many' as opposed to 'most.' I'm seeing more and more posts that point out how hypocritical it is to put men down in the interest of women's rights. I just listened to that whole interview with the psychologist and she ended with a very good point: you don't have to be anti-women to be pro-men. More people need to realize this; it isn't necessary to put down one social group in support of another. Just be pro-human.
If everyone could just stop being a bunch of shits, that would be greeaaaaat.
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nicechrisman said: yeah take away recess and put the all on ritalin. Genius.
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SARAtonin said: Dude, we have be oppressed for years, since the dawn of agriculture and civilization and the switch away from hunting and gathering, practically to the point if slavery for thousands of year.
And now when for the first time in human civilization we are starting to gain some rights back and even the playing field you guys start shouting that there is a war on men?
No. Fuck no.
Did you even watch the video? Or are you just completely ignorant?
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: SARAtonin] 2
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SARAtonin said: Dude, we have be oppressed for years, since the dawn of agriculture and civilization and the switch away from hunting and gathering, practically to the point if slavery for thousands of year.
And now when for the first time in human civilization we are starting to gain some rights back and even the playing field you guys start shouting that there is a war on men?
No. Fuck no.
things have been mostly equal for a long time. yet women hold onto shit from years ago. it's a lot like the racism deal now that I think about it.
yes it still exists, but a lot of groups bring it upon themselves by attaching themselves to the idea of it.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: SARAtonin]
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this thread is a joke its like lets play the blame game cause we to weak to change our self's its not always a versus its not always a fight or battle or war only war is the one in your soul the fears your to afraid to face to afraid to take control of your life so you play the blame game blame every one else because your to weak to take responsibility for your own life kill this thread lol
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: r.lutece]
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But men are still winning far more awards like the nobel prize and pulitzer prize. Wouldn't this more boy friendly situaution upset the balance even further? If the current system was so flawed why would we be seeing men dominate academia and research?
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: olson]
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I won't argue that there is still some bias in the workplace, but there's also just a lot more males in the science and math fields. increasing the probability of a male to win.
I don't see any reason to decide "we need to give out x amount awards to males and x amount awards to females." As long as big achievements are recognized who gives a shit what they have in their pants?
I dunno man, I just see a lot of women taking advantage of men just like they complain about from the opposite sex.
we're all assholes really.
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Keep in mind that the men currently winning the awards are not the same boys being currently raised in this kind of educational system.
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It's been demonstrated many times that the lack of women in STEM fields is a result of women choosing not to go into STEM fields. Not sexist bias.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Shroomism]
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we need to scientifically prove that women have their place and men theirs and segregate them both from each other. it is the only solution.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Shroomism]
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It's very true, not so much in highschool but in elementary for sure, the teachers were almost all women, and many of them clearly disliked the male students or just didn't know how to deal with them. Is it surprising at all, that if you start out as a 'trouble maker' or a problem child or irresponsible, that you will grow up resenting the school and authority figures in general? It's quite unfortunate
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Shroomism]
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The same has in fact been discovered about the pay gap between men and women. I'm not going to pretend that there aren't cases where women are being paid less for men doing the same job, but much of the discrepancy has been linked to the fields that the average male and the average female work in. Jobs that men typically choose are higher earning careers than jobs typically chosen by women. STEM fields are a good example of this.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: r.lutece]
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Yep, I'm surprised more people don't hear that these days. And I'm not one of the redpiller mens rights activist types at all. There's plenty of sexist people out there causing trouble for women, I don't see why that means future generations of men deserve to be treated unfairly though.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Shiithead]
#22251157 - 09/17/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shiithead said: Powerful video. Share your thoughts and discuss chaotically.
America is stupid as fuck moronic
Seriously blow up the world already
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Mr.PhilCybin said:
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SARAtonin said: Dude, we have be oppressed for years, since the dawn of agriculture and civilization and the switch away from hunting and gathering, practically to the point if slavery for thousands of year.
And now when for the first time in human civilization we are starting to gain some rights back and even the playing field you guys start shouting that there is a war on men?
No. Fuck no.
things have been mostly equal for a long time. yet women hold onto shit from years ago. it's a lot like the racism deal now that I think about it.
yes it still exists, but a lot of groups bring it upon themselves by attaching themselves to the idea of it.
Oh joy, equality has reached?
Does that mean I can stop being treated like a sex symbol and have my opinions be taken seriously in public.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: SARAtonin]
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elitism makes you sound way better.
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Ya ya ya, I am lorde.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: SARAtonin] 2
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SARAtonin said:
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SARAtonin said: Dude, we have be oppressed for years, since the dawn of agriculture and civilization and the switch away from hunting and gathering, practically to the point if slavery for thousands of year.
And now when for the first time in human civilization we are starting to gain some rights back and even the playing field you guys start shouting that there is a war on men?
No. Fuck no.
things have been mostly equal for a long time. yet women hold onto shit from years ago. it's a lot like the racism deal now that I think about it.
yes it still exists, but a lot of groups bring it upon themselves by attaching themselves to the idea of it.
Oh joy, equality has reached?
Does that mean I can stop being treated like a sex symbol and have my opinions be taken seriously in public.
You'll yearn for the days of "being treated like a sex symbol" when you grow older.
"have my opinions be taken seriously in public"
My guess is your gender has nothing to do with your opinions not being taken seriously by others.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: qman]
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I'm not going to grow old, Lilith and I have a suicide pact at the age of 42.
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qman said:My guess is your gender has nothing to do with your opinions not being taken seriously by others.
Wait.
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SARAtonin said:
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SARAtonin said: Dude, we have be oppressed for years, since the dawn of agriculture and civilization and the switch away from hunting and gathering, practically to the point if slavery for thousands of year.
And now when for the first time in human civilization we are starting to gain some rights back and even the playing field you guys start shouting that there is a war on men?
No. Fuck no.
things have been mostly equal for a long time. yet women hold onto shit from years ago. it's a lot like the racism deal now that I think about it.
yes it still exists, but a lot of groups bring it upon themselves by attaching themselves to the idea of it.
Oh joy, equality has reached?
Does that mean I can stop being treated like a sex symbol and have my opinions be taken seriously in public.
Do you mean you want to lose your sex symbol privilege? If you want your opinions taken seriously have better ones.
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Perhaps this will add some insight, But I doubt it.
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Never had a male teacher or any good teacher for that matter lol. Thus why I said fuck school after HS and found a trade job. And learned what I needed to on the job instead of some 20 years of debt from going to college.
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For GODS sage let the men be men and women be women. BTW it is completly natural to both genders to have their own attributes. feminine and masculine, ying&yang, bim&bam And it is completly natural to both sexes to teach the kids...You usually create the images of pervertion on your own mind....excample a homosexual kindergarden teacher....what is wrong with you? homosexual does not equal pedofil in my mind.
P.s. how often you find 100% fem individual weed plants? is it like 50% are 100%female and 50% 100%male? NOT!
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My education wasn't too bad. Pretty standard, I think, but I grew up in a rural area with a very small school, so they were pretty slow to jump on the 'feelings' train for education. My first male teacher was in kindergarten, actually; our PE teacher, Mr. Wiley. Now HE was a character... Awesome instructor. Next in 5th grade, our English teacher was a guy. When I transferred to a new city for high school, at least half of our teachers were men. I actually think I took more classes in high school taught by men than women when I look back on it.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Shiithead]
#22251462 - 09/17/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think this lady is a bit kooky (just the look in her eye and voice reminds me of a notorious YT schizo named Gabrielle Chana) and kinda dry, but she has a nice way of presenting "moderate" feminism to right-wingers, so I will give her credit there. I've watched a few of her "Factual Feminist" series and especially on the whole "Gamergate" thing I think she had a pretty reasonable take, which is sorely lacking on the internet:
I think alot of things she says exhibit a clear bias. Like when she says "these boys are the ones who are going to grow up and marry our daughters" it makes me hope that all her sons and daughters turn out gay. AEI is a center-right (ie Neo-con) thinktank, so I would advise anyone who takes in her media to take it with a grain of salt, as it's openly biased towards that sort of thinking.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: SARAtonin]
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Today is the first time I've heard of this lady, but she is potentially one of my favorite right-leaning voices I've heard in a very long time based on what I've seen. I will say that I disagree with her about the presentation of females within video games. Do I think we need to get rid of topless women and damsel type characters? Absolutely not. Even as a straight female, I enjoy those tropes. However, what I WOULD like to see is competent female characters alongside them. I want to see the Sarah Connors and the Tesses (from Last of Us) more often. Kickass female character that don't have time to be sexy, or that don't need to wear revealing clothing to do so. I greatly enjoy seeing those characters in video games and shows. I don't scowl every time we focus on girls' butts, but I DO scowl when we don't focus on anything else about them.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: r.lutece]
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I disagree, you are not the target audience of videogames. The target audience of videogames is males. Men and boys want to see visually appealing graphical characters, both men and women, dogs, alien, creatures, zombies etc. they want them to look good so the can delve into their fanatasies away from reality. We fantazise about hot chicks, not their emotions or character depth.
As long as there are two companies, one who makes emotionally strong women and a great game; and one who just adds more tits and ass,and an equally fun game. the second one will do better, and guys will pay to get more of that.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: PLURAL]
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Treant said: Is English not your first language?
I'm American, but not a father, although I have a father, we don't spend any time naked together though... Here hanging out naked with family is pretty abnormal and a rarity.
We have such a weak culture.
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I disagree on a number of levels. Male gamers certainly make up a larger percentage of total audience numbers, but if your game can appeal to 30% more gamers, and therefore generate a 30% increase in sales, why wouldn't you take advantage of that? As for women in games being EITHER hot or well-developed characters, I don't understand why those can't be one in the same. It's like I said, you don't have to take away the hot chicks. It's like porn: guys would rather see an attractive guy banging a hot chick, and girls would rather see hot chicks getting banged by attractive guys. Video games developers go to the time to develop male characters, so it really shouldn't be that much of a stretch to figure out female characters.
As for your comparison at the end, I'm obviously advocating the second of the two games: you yourself indicated that the second game was the same as the first (emotionally developed with character depth and already a great game) and just added tits and asses. I'm fully in support of that.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: r.lutece]
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it doesnt matter youre missing the bigger picture here.
There are certainly a number of males intrested in male fashion. But i would not think to go tell macys how to run their business and tell them to expend more energy and move away recourses that make them a billion dollar industry just to cater the whims of a few.
Video games now and days get pumped out yearly, what would you have them do, bring in women who can develop strong female characters? A few questions, is there a demand (only by a few) how many women are vying for a job like this, is the company willing to test the waters as such, and can they implement it successfully, and how many of those women are even capable of writing a strong female character that isnt self serving?
I understand you want an equalized oppertunity for both men and women to enjoy videogames with cool characters. But what im saying is most guys dont want that, we just want fun games. And now a days, we dont care much for women barging in on our escape from society anyways, a lot in fact dislike it, and for good reasons, we are not stupid, most women arent introspective to the point of making us think theyre capable of being such a great interesting heroic persona, why do you have to demand we think otherwise, its pretty insulting to the mass amount of men who arent sheepishly stupid.
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LackToast said: I understand you want an equalized oppertunity for both men and women to enjoy videogames with cool characters. But what im saying is most guys dont want that, we just want fun games. And now a days, we dont care much for women barging in on our escape from society anyways, a lot in fact dislike it, and for good reasons, we are not stupid...
I am having trouble grasping why cool characters and fun games can't coexist. The fact is that the already do in a lot of games. I'm not suggesting that we should be completely reevaluating established games or series that have male-dominated casts and stories. GTA V for example would not work with a female as one of the three lead characters; the storyline is very brotherly. The same with CoD. But is it actually all that much to ask for it to be considered in newer titles? Hell, you don't even have to write the female characters differently from male characters. A lot of the complaint is that women are written as sex objects or damsels, when really, a lot of women just act like guys (until you get to personal relationships, but we've already established we don't want that in games). You don't need female writers to have a female character; the misconception here stems from the fact that female characters have to act like females, when they could just as easily be acting like people.
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...most women arent introspective to the point of making us think theyre capable of being such a great interesting heroic persona, why do you have to demand we think otherwise, its pretty insulting to the mass amount of men who arent sheepishly stupid.
I don't understand what it is you're saying here. Could you elaborate for me?
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: r.lutece]
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Im pretty bad at doing quotes in quotes so ill adress your statement in 1. and your question in 2.
1. Personally i disagree, i want my action hero to be a believable action hero, i want my villians and enemies to act in a normal villainous and hatred manner. Likewise i want to see women act in a fashion we believe that women naturally act in, and since im the superhero trying to save a damsel in distress, id appreciate if she acted in a more female fashion rather than some strong willed androgynous character, what fun would that be?
Now since i clearly get that your insisting why can theyre be more characters like Bayonetta, or a female sypro maybe idk. To this i say because i go back to my original arguements, men are the ones producing it, they are going to be able to give a more realistic account from a male perspective naturally without much thought to small nuances in a males fantasy world, and in turn you get a better game. Which is what we are paying for a good game, not some pc social agenda game. But i can see this is important to you, if women want to have female characters who are regular and feel integrated properly in the game and story arch, then there needs to be more women attempting to join in the videogame industry, and with the purpose of expanding what men, the dominating force would like to see, and not just to change what they dont like about games. Although she wouldnt be a woman if she didnt try to change a mans perspective 
2. What i mean by this there are relative few women ive ever talked to in my life to lead me to believe there are such great capacities to what the average woman thinks, sexist maybe... but my perspective tends to line up with enough socially outcasted mens perspectives (read gamers) that i dont care to be pc right now. (And just so you know, this does not mean i think women are dumb. so please dont take it as such)
Im not saying there arent a lot out there, ive just never met them, or they never need to give me the time of day to prove me otherwise. The ones i did know like that were very down to earth and either late bloomers or much older.
On top of that the girls that do rely on theyre looks are ditzy, or bimbos, or just plain dumb. Miss america, and tits mcgee, are not fascinating and well developed minds, And yet theyre the ones we want to see in videogames. not the average opinionated woman.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: r.lutece]
#22252016 - 09/17/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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r.lutece said: Today is the first time I've heard of this lady, but she is potentially one of my favorite right-leaning voices I've heard in a very long time based on what I've seen. I will say that I disagree with her about the presentation of females within video games. Do I think we need to get rid of topless women and damsel type characters? Absolutely not. Even as a straight female, I enjoy those tropes. However, what I WOULD like to see is competent female characters alongside them. I want to see the Sarah Connors and the Tesses (from Last of Us) more often. Kickass female character that don't have time to be sexy, or that don't need to wear revealing clothing to do so. I greatly enjoy seeing those characters in video games and shows. I don't scowl every time we focus on girls' butts, but I DO scowl when we don't focus on anything else about them.
Yeah compared to the average internet editorialist she is quite reasonable, and I try really hard to dislike her so that's saying something.
I think Jim Sterling made an interesting and funny case recently on Quiet, a character in MGSV:
Sometimes it's just ridiculous, and I think most developers and gamers agree on this regardless of gender, but extreme feminists and their opponents love stirring the pot for some reason. Nobody wants that, it's video games.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Shiithead]
#22252168 - 09/17/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shiithead said: Can't spell woman without man.
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Can't have man without woman.
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@LackToast:
Well, I mean, there's part of the problem. Gamers think that women actually act like that. I'm beginning to see the appeal of the average video game female. You don't want to play as a female unless she's quiet and nice to look at, and you don't want to save a female unless she makes you feel good about saving her. I'm not going to pretend that's not hilariously sexist, but I understand where you're coming from. It's more rewarding to be the masculine, conquering hero who gets the girl. That makes sense.
I agree with what you say about women in game development being the ones who need to be the change they want to see in the gaming world. We're starting to come full circle to the earlier conversation about the different career paths men and women choose. We're starting to see a broader range of jobs for all genders, so I'm sure that more women will in fact join the gaming industry. Please understand that just doing that is difficult; guys have been taught for centuries, much like yourself, that women don't have anything to add intellectually. As a result, these industries have turned into bro clubs. It's not only that we're just now figuring out that we need to encourage young girls that are interested in these fields, but we also have to teach our young boys, and our men, that girls can contribute just as well.
As far as changing a man's mind, well... we wouldn't have to try so hard if the male mind weren't so inflexible. All jokes aside, the genders are different; it's nice that this conversation can even be had now.
@moonrockmushy:
That was both hilarious and a good example of an "ohmygodwhatthefuck" piece of sexy gaming female. I think my favorite phrase was 'wobbly-boobed sex object', or something to that degree. Personally, since she was such a visual trophy to begin with, I think they should have made the nakedness the unlockable outfit. The explanation for her lack of clothing is absolutely hilarious. Seriously Hideo, you have the balls to make her do almost-nude yoga on an aircraft. Just have the balls for her to say, "I like wearing as little as possible." That would actually be almost believable.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: r.lutece]
#22252429 - 09/17/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You WOULD think i am sexist and just want women to shut up and look nice. Look,I can only look and see how women act from afar, and make my own judgements, i do not control anyones actions. I can state my opinion that i dont find it believable hot women on average are "great character personas", and while i dont care one way or the other, i never force my opinion on women, because it would just be low level capacity rhetoric. i.e. sexist. however refering back to the first video, men from the time they are boys are not allowed to think and do as they are naturally inclined to if it doesnt suit societies narrative, which is that everyone is equal... Despite the fact that not a single individual is born equal.
If the power to control mens thoughts, isnt sexist i dont know what is.
I dont go around telling pixar and disney how to make theyre male characters more than what they are, because i know that theyre suppose to be for mainly little girls. Little girls know what they like, so do little boys, who grow up playing videogames.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: LackToast]
#22252434 - 09/17/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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nerds.
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Some beta shit right there.
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#betacusties
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nigga what?
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: LackToast]
#22252502 - 09/17/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mr.PhilCybin said: nerds.

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nicechrisman said: Some beta shit right there.
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Mr.PhilCybin said: #betacusties
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: LackToast]
#22252532 - 09/17/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Both in response to your post and in the interest of returning the thread to its original topic, do you recall times in your schooling where you felt you were being "boxed in" about opinions you were allowed to hold about your studies, or ways you were allowed to behave? (This is a genuine question and not a challenge; it's a case where I had a different experience as a girl and I'm interested in hearing how these situations play out for boys. It really is not my intention to ever silence men's opinions; I love having these discussions in the hopes that all genders can learn something.) Lately it's been a commonly talked about issue as far as the ways girls felt they weren't allowed to do some things, but people don't usually touch on the ways that boys are limited similarly.
EDIT: This question is of course open to all the guys. Did your teachers hold you back in a memorable way from expressing yourselves? OP's video refers to this as a somewhat recent trend, but did anything strike you as something you saw in your own schooling?
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: r.lutece]
#22252596 - 09/17/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You speak for other men, and you used the word betacustie when you were trying to be cool...
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: LackToast]
#22252657 - 09/17/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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r.lutece said: @moonrockmushy:
That was both hilarious and a good example of an "ohmygodwhatthefuck" piece of sexy gaming female. I think my favorite phrase was 'wobbly-boobed sex object', or something to that degree. Personally, since she was such a visual trophy to begin with, I think they should have made the nakedness the unlockable outfit. The explanation for her lack of clothing is absolutely hilarious. Seriously Hideo, you have the balls to make her do almost-nude yoga on an aircraft. Just have the balls for her to say, "I like wearing as little as possible." That would actually be almost believable.
Yeah those poses really drove the point home well in my opinion. I mean why not put her in a sports bra even, (possible MGS V spoiler) if her breathing through her skin is indeed so important to the narrative?
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LackToast said: ...refering back to the first video, men from the time they are boys are not allowed to think and do as they are naturally inclined to if it doesnt suit societies narrative, which is that everyone is equal... Despite the fact that not a single individual is born equal.
If the power to control mens thoughts, isnt sexist i dont know what is.
I dont go around telling pixar and disney how to make theyre male characters more than what they are, because i know that theyre suppose to be for mainly little girls. Little girls know what they like, so do little boys, who grow up playing videogames.
I see what you're saying, but though you might feel a certain way and feel that this way of thinking is "natural" for you, I think you're really just speaking for yourself. Men are different from other men too. Nobody can avoid being influenced by other people and the media, and sometimes what people are taught does make a difference. Just because something is considered "entertainment" that doesn't mean that people can't criticize it in a serious way that involves conscience and a sense of fairness. There's nothing wrong with that, and it isn't censorship. Like people making games that are being criticized, these are just people expressing free speech.
Especially on the internet, I think nobody can really deny that outright violent misogyny exists on a scale far larger than feminists alone can ever seek to address without the cooperation of men. There are people who will explicitly state that women are inferior to men, and many who preach violence against women just because these women ask to be treated as equals. You might say, "oh that isn't me, I just have an opinion that feminism has gone too far, I actually respect women," but I believe it is this sort of environment that fosters some of the more extreme attitudes against women.
I think in any conversation about gender, if all someone cares about is what is being done to men, and how that is hurting the essence of masculinity, they are going to come across the wrong way to alot of people, feminist and moderate alike. Men and women make up human beings, and the idea of human equality has nothing to do with quantitative analysis of the differences between people, it has to do with the things we all have in common, mainly a desire to live in mutual respect and harmony. If this is somehow offensive to you, then I think you have a problem, and you are the reason that the feminists who you have such a problem with yourself exist.
There's no war on boys. That's ridiculous. There is a long slow trend towards what most would consider humane treatment of women both in the home and in society at large. Do men also have issues? Sure. That's nothing new. To try and say that boys were always treated perfectly when girls were in a worse position is just a lie, and the way to get boys more into reading, writing, and arithmetic is not to demonize women's liberation.
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sorry moon rocks im getting off for now but ill comeback and address your post later on tonight.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: LackToast]
#22252753 - 09/17/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah no sweat, I'm just using you to bounce off of.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: SARAtonin]
#22252797 - 09/17/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shiithead said: Can't spell woman without man.
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Can't have man without woman. 
Also couldn't have women (you) if daddy didn't creampie mommy. It's not just the womb, thank the seed too.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Mescalean]
#22252891 - 09/17/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mescalean said:
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SARAtonin said:
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Shiithead said: Can't spell woman without man.
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Can't have man without woman. 
Also couldn't have women (you) if daddy didn't creampie mommy. It's not just the womb, thank the seed too.
Actually, they figured out how to synthesize sperm cells from bone marrow. If we needed them to for whatever reason, women could potentially reproduce asexually.
Not that that would be nearly as much fun as boning.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: r.lutece]
#22252906 - 09/17/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I feel like eventually the gene pool would be one big mess if it was comprised of half the population.
Have they implanted an egg with one of these yet?
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Mescalean] 2
#22252967 - 09/17/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not with humans; they did with mice, however. Seven mice born without mice sex. Like we needed another way for mice to reproduce.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: r.lutece]
#22253026 - 09/17/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's because modern day has equated life to the simplicity of if you have a penis your automatically in the wrong. Life is only going to get worse face it fellas were fucked.
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basqueshaman said: It's because modern day has equated life to the simplicity of if you have a penis your automatically in the wrong. Life is only going to get worse face it fellas were fucked.
Not really. If it came down to whiping out men, I think we could easily over through. They weigh like 120 lbs and the fat runs will just tire out. If we're fucked, well everyone is fucked.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Mescalean]
#22253079 - 09/17/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mescalean said: They weigh like 120 lbs
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: olson]
#22255206 - 09/18/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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equality brother equality its not wise to assume women are any less then us
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Whether they are less or more (as some gallant vagina warriors exclaim) is not the issue. They are different from men.
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zappaisgod said: Whether they are less or more (as some gallant vagina warriors exclaim) is not the issue. They are different from men.
I do not respect your subtle tones. They are filled with hints of sexism and discrimination
Regardless of the fact that you claim to not be saying that and to only be objectively stating your opinion
I'm an Australian with some balls. You are over the top of your subtleties do not hide the true disgusting nature of your point of view created by selfish discrepencies
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Magenta]
#22255309 - 09/18/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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your my boy magenta your my boy yeah I just droped an old school refrence sue me
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I think I mentioned this briefly in another thread; how the modern school system penalizes children, but especially young boys, for not fitting into the current paradigm that favors quiet rote memorization for a test to kinetic learning styles. I'll disagree with the speaker by saying that kinetic learning isn't necessarily a "masculine" trait; young girls may favor this learning style as well but I think what it comes down to is a couple of factors; internal (home) vs external (school) socialization cues, the rise of medicating children, and the teaching for the test mentality that permeates most public education.
While it's easy to point to feminism as a culprit, I believe the largest perpetrator of this disturbing trend is the modern school system which overwhelming seeks to squash "excessive energy" to make the teacher's job easier and to ensure students learn the material necessary for tests. The loss of valuable recess time can make this even worse.
I also wonder if the modern American child's diet also plays a role in hyperactivity with the average child here consuming WAY MORE sugar in its various forms than many other children in similar countries economically. But then this would involve parents having to actually take some responsibility for their child beyond having them, putting clothes on them, and sending them to a public babysitter for 8 hours per day so...
*Kanye shrug* I don't know.
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Not sure if it's necessary to sue in this scenario
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trust me I know exactly what you mean im so full of energy schools didn't even have a chance in suppressing me my parents are a rare breed didn't need much school my parents were excellent teachers and I was always a quick learner I could see threw the lies and half truths that is our schools curriculum this is the bottom line as long as we teach our kids to give up on there passions and dreams and conform the world will fall
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shroominated said: trust me I know exactly what you mean im so full of energy schools didn't even have a chance in suppressing me my parents are a rare breed didn't need much school my parents were excellent teachers and I was always a quick learner I could see threw the lies and half truths that is our schools curriculum this is the bottom line as long as we teach our kids to give up on there passions and dreams and conform the world will fall
Yeah, your parents were great teachers, that's why you can't spell for shit.
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Here is some food for thought
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/16/sexbots-why-women-should-panic/
It is worth reading the whole thing but in summary it is about the impending development of sexbots and how it is going to make women bitchier, especially to each other, when they have to compete for the attentions of fewer and fewer men willing to put up with their shit to get laid. You really need to go to the link because there are a lot of imbedded links to real research. I have no opinion on it because I have been married to a non bitch for 18 years today but it seems to have some science behind it.
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Why have sex if you aren't willing to procreate either way you'll lose interest immediately afterwards
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Konyap]
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I don't understand your point. Do you think sex should only be practiced for procreation?
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No I was saying that fucking a lifeless doll isn't that different from being in a relationship that is all about sex.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Konyap]
#22256215 - 09/18/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Plus you'd save more money on the doll.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Konyap]
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Konyap said: No I was saying that fucking a lifeless doll isn't that different from being in a relationship that is all about sex.
I don't think they are going to be lifeless.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_2000
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Japanese culture has sub genre's dedicated to that stuff. Most of their famous 90's movies had sex doll's thrown in there like blade runner, for example Armitage III.
I thought this was going to be about the whole not coming to school on time, not contributing to class and not doing homework thing...
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Konyap]
#22256316 - 09/18/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, that's what Pris was. I do not mean our Pris. He's a different kind of sex doll. I mean the Pris from Blade Runner.
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only flaw in my words you can find is my spelling or grammar that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside
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That's quite a few flaws.
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: D.M.T]
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thought that video was a parady or meme or some shit when I first read it. then I got to the end and I started wondering to myself, did this bitch really just make sense? Did she really just try to help boys? Then I watched a little further and realized its only because she feels IT HELPS GIRLS

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lol good point...
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Re: The war on boys. [Re: Shiithead]
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http://www.nobeliefs.com/washingtonnews/JesusGirl.htm

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This early Catholic Mitre (Pope's hat) shows a vagina shaped hat with a depiction of the sacred vulva of Christ. Even the clitoris is displayed with a red ruby. Today, the Pope's mitre is a toned-down version to avoid the sexual connotations, but it still retains the vaginal shape.
Interestingly, there was actually a woman pope, John Anglicus (also called Pope Joan or La Papessa), who reigned in the 850s. Pope Joan was known for her gigantic sacred vagina, thought to resemble Christ's vagina.
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Clout also suggested that if he was not a hermaphrodite, then Jesus would have to have been either a transvestite or gay. "If Jerry Falwell were alive, I think he would have to agree that this new evidence shows that Jesus was a homosexual," claims Clout. "Remember that Falwall accused Tinky Winky of carrying a purse., wearing a triangle, and wearing purple, the color for gay people," remarked Clout. "Well, Jesus also had his disciples carrying purses. The triangle is a representation of the Trinity and Jesus also wore a purple gown (see Mark 15:17. John 19:5)." Clout added, " It's also thought that the disciples referred to Jesus as "Christy," not as Christ, as the tradition goes."
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