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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22250942 - 09/17/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tybg said: Think I saw a Documentary a while on youtube about HPPD and someone in it never did drugs yet still had it
HPPD, by definition, is only hppd if you have fucked around with hallucinogens.
He may have had a similar perceptive disorder but that gentlemen did not have HPPD.
That is like saying someone had stimulant psychosis without taking stimulants.
I don't think Tybg is trying to imply that this guy suffered from HPPD specifically. He's just trying to point out that HPPD isn't necessarily the explanation for everyone suffering from these same symptoms. I've had the static vision issue since I was young; it's almost like my vision is double exposed with "noise". It's especially noticeable if I look at darker areas like shadows or empty rooms. I noticed it more while I was tripping, but it definitely didn't originate from psychedelics. So, though I've taken hallucinogens, my visual anomalies aren't caused by them. The point others are trying to make is who's to say that a percentage of those suffering from HPPD don't actually fall under this category as well?
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: r.lutece]
#22250959 - 09/17/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I made a HPPD poll because of this thread.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: r.lutece]
#22250961 - 09/17/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think everyone has shit like static when they close their eyes even before tripping, at least I did.
What HPPD does though is bring that shit out and make it way more obvious IMO.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
#22250962 - 09/17/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just googled my "HPPD" symptoms and apparently my symptoms happen to a shit load of non drug users. I'm assuming everything I ever thought was HPPD was just normal reactions my brain makes that I had forgotten happen or never noticed until my psych use. There was even a bunch of fancy words they used and studies that were done on it.
Guess I don't even have slight HPPD. I don't even know that HPPD exists. Good scare tactic though.
Stay away from these psychs guys, they cause HPPD and depersonalization.
BC, as a former meth addict, why don't you warn everyone about the dangers of meth? Or do you think meth is safer than psychedelics?
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: r.lutece]
#22250978 - 09/17/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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To a normal person who doesn't like drugs, HPPD is a serious thing. To us psychonauts, HPPD is not a bad thing. I would love to see tracers for weeks after a trip, or to see glowy things for weeks or even years after a trip.
HPPD isn't as bad as it seems.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22250987 - 09/17/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have a close associate who sought medical treatment for his post-MDA visuals, after a brief but intense period of over-use. It is a shame to see so many on this forum act like this isn't an issue.
Now try to bring up Acid or Mushroom induced seizures and watch what happens.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: occollegeboi]
#22250991 - 09/17/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nobody should ever try meth. Meth is fucked. Right now we are talking about tripping though.
I don't have to tell anyone about meth being bad everyone knows. I carry the entire weight of the pub on my shoulders to discuss issues about psychedelics like HPPD. It is a big responsability but nobody else is game to do it.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: sh4d0ws]
#22251002 - 09/17/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't even hallucinate when I take psychedelics anymore I have done it so much I am living proof your so full of shit Im such a master at tripping I could eat a quarter of penis envys and build you a house all those negative things you experience when triping is because theres something you don't want to face and you resist it I know exactly how that feels and I over came it it enhances your emotions and thoughts so if your in a bad mode or your in a negative state of mind becareful tripping it makes you super sensitive but even a bad trip is beneficial if you over come your fears
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bozko]
#22251009 - 09/17/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The majority of those people who have seizures from psyches are predisposed to seizures in general. NBOMes seizures are much more common.
Of course HPPD exists, well kinda(it's debated). But the majority of people will never have SEVERE hppd in their life. The chance of HPPD may be increased with the abuse of psychedelics.
I think the thing is, there aren't enough definite proof on the numbers, and people just don't want the propaganda to seep through when we still barely know anything about it.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22251011 - 09/17/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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And educated people know that psychedelics can be harmful and have to be used responsibly.
Meth is really addictive and a lot more abundant. I think you should become the pub's anti meth crusader instead. It would be really suited for you.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: sh4d0ws]
#22251017 - 09/17/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So far on the poll in the other HPPD thread fifty percent admit to having HPPD. One percent my ass quit sweeping this under the rug!
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22251019 - 09/17/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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haha those who think they have a disorder just cant face there fears they blame the drug
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22251023 - 09/17/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Honestly, for all I hear about HPPD, ive never seen it...I think when people say "I knew a guy who thought he was a cup of orange juice for the rest of his life" its nonsense.
HPPD is real, but I think people mispercieve what it actually is and does.
I think most the HPPD stuff out there is promoted as a scare tactic, I also cant immagine any of it stays around all that long, years at most, but not life...
But that's just my oppinion, based off of what I have seen in my psychedelic use, so I know it does happen....though I have never seen it.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: shroominated]
#22251027 - 09/17/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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shroominated said: haha those who think they have a disorder just cant face there fears they blame the drug

Excuses, excuses, excuses.
This is real and people need to address it.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22251043 - 09/17/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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A disorder should only be seen as a disorder if it has extreme negative impact on the victims mental function and social function...
Maybe people experiance mild residual psychedelia and label it HPPD, but as far as debilitating cases, its very rare.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
#22251158 - 09/17/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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In the HPPD poll thread most people said they had HPPD. The majority is not rare IMO.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22251167 - 09/17/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The majority of them aren't debilitating whatsoever.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22251176 - 09/17/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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A disorder is defined as
"...a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual's cognitive, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological, biological, or developmental process underlying mental functioning. Mental disorders are usually associated with significant distress in social, occupational, or other important activities."
So, occasionally seeing walls breathe or feeling odd or seeing geometric patterns or faces in the rocks/clouds doesn't count as a disorder- which is the last letter in HPPD. It just means you have some lingering effects of your psychedelic use. HPPD only exists in people who have taken so many psychedelics that they can't maintain relationships or hold down jobs anymore. That is rare.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Achillita]
#22251180 - 09/17/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Achillita said: The majority of them aren't debilitating whatsoever.
I would guess one in five people with HPPD have severe HPPD, the rest learn to deal with it but it is still an annoyance.
It has nothing to do with maintaining and holding relationships. It can though. If it adversely affects your life in any way, which includes causing you stress or being annoyed by it, then it is a disorder.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22251192 - 09/17/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I added another poll in the thread on that issue.
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