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Bitter Cactus
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: DurgaDurg]
#22250678 - 09/17/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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MajickMuffin said: I'm pretty sure that's not quite how it works at all. First of all its not random. It depends on the person, the cercumstances, and the drugs taken. Second, for most people it goes away after long periods of being sober.
Your being a fucking cock sucker because your one in a million HPPD sufferers whose got it bad, crying about it, and now your trying to say everyone can get it.
Fucking fear porn at its finest
One in a million heh? I don't even have it bad that's the funny thing. I don't have tracers or stuff like that, just neon shaps on white walls and stuff like that.
In the other HPPD thread there were probably around ten people that admitted to having it.
Oh, I have had issues with things like this since I was little kid -- moving neon shapes, and they would continue even with my eyes closed.
Was not aware that people credited this to psychedelic drugs. 
You do not have HPPD. HPPD is only when you get a perceptive disorder from taking hallucinogens.
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DurgaDurg said: You probably got hppd from your ADD medication dude.
No, by definition HPPD is from psychedelic drugs. If you start getting permanent hallucinations from vyvanse (never heard of that before I call bullshit) you do not have HPPD. Maybe you are thinking of amphetamine induced psychosis? That can happen, but us amphetamine users do not sweep that under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist. It is a very real possibility if you are doing high doses and staying up for long periods of time.
It's fucking funny though how everyone is trying to deflect this to meth. I had done meth for the first time at least two years after suffering from HPPD. It is obvious as hell HPPD is from tripping cause one day your sober reality is normal, then the next day you take mushrooms and wake up in the morning and it looks like you are still tripping.
You guys can say it is from meth, but how would that even work if I did meth for the first time two years after suffering from this condition? Also, it is a mental disorder if it negatively impacts your life. I would pay easily five grand to make it go away. I haven't tripped in years and this shit still lingers and it is straight up fucking retarded having neon shapes floating on walls when you are trying to study.
Cue the downplaying and denial..
Just wanna say though, to say this condition only effects 1 percent of trippers is straight up a lie. I do think it is in the 20-25% range, with not everyone even bothering to mention it because it does not bother them enough. I am gonna say at the very minimum 10% of trippers have HPPD and it could be as high as 33% or more.
These are just rough estimates though and I have never done a poll. But to say only one percent of trippers get it is a slap in the face to reality.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Tantrika]
#22250681 - 09/17/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: ... Here are the conditions that will tell you if you have HPPD:
- Subjects experience drug-like sensory disturbances while not under the influence of any drugs. - The disturbances interfere with work, school, social settings, or other areas. - There are no other physical or mental conditions that account for the disturbances (lesions, visual epilepsy, schizophrenia, dementia, etc.)
What causes HPPD?
HPPD is defined to be caused by taking 'hallucinogenic' drugs, but its root cause is poorly understood. Dr. Henry Abraham ( a leading researcher in this area) believes that HPPD may be partially genetic though he says that he knows of no published evidence [personal communication - tacovan]. It seems to be most commonly related to LSD use, perhaps because LSD is the most common hallucinogen, but there are also reports of HPPD being caused by other psychedelics such as mushrooms, MDMA, MDA, 2CT7, 5-MEO-DiPT, etc. There are a few people who have HPPD-like symptoms who have never taken any drugs, but the definition of Hallucinogen Persisting Perceptual Disorder does not include these individuals. ...
Can anyone clarify for me why if there are "no other physical or mental conditions that account for the disturbances" that "there are a few people who have HPPD-like symptoms who have never taken any drugs."
The symptom list initially makes it sound like there is no way to experience this condition without taking drugs, then goes on to say that there are people who experience the same symptoms without taking drugs.
Has there been research into people who experience this condition without taking drugs? Do they have any commonalities with those who take drugs and experience it? This almost sounds like claims that cannabis causes schizophrenia because cannabis exacerbates the symptoms of schizophrenia.
If a group of people is experiencing this without taking drugs, that seems far more important to study than just saying they don't count because the name for the symptoms is supposed to imply that only drugs can cause it.  For instance, do drugs make these peoples condition worse, cancel it out, or does it stay the same?
BC , please address this above post. Since you seem to know everything you should have an answer about the point brought up by SweetLeaf
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: sh4d0ws]
#22250718 - 09/17/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you experience the same symptoms without drug by definition we are not talking about HPPD.
The thing I copy pasted says "there are a few people who have HPPD without taking drugs". That probably just means there is a very small proportion that have visuals similar to someone with HPPD but if they have never taken a hallucinogen then they have something else.
By definition you can only have HPPD if you have done drugs. Perceptive disorders that are similar without taking drugs are not HPPD cause you get HPPD after tripping and the visuals persist. HPPD is something you cannot have before tripping and if it is it then you don't have HPPD.
I hope that makes sense.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22250773 - 09/17/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Think I saw a Documentary a while on youtube about HPPD and someone in it never did drugs yet still had it
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Tybg]
#22250775 - 09/17/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'll try to find it
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22250790 - 09/17/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Permatripping never did any real harm. Personally I find it enjoyable!
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Tybg]
#22250791 - 09/17/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tybg said: Think I saw a Documentary a while on youtube about HPPD and someone in it never did drugs yet still had it
HPPD, by definition, is only hppd if you have fucked around with hallucinogens.
He may have had a similar perceptive disorder but that gentlemen did not have HPPD.
That is like saying someone had stimulant psychosis without taking stimulants.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Tybg]
#22250799 - 09/17/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also just read Paroxetine gets rid of most/all HPPD symptoms
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22250864 - 09/17/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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that site is like a hppd coming out of the closet for underage druggies.
There are 4 threads about 'how to tell your parents'
Is hppd connected/similar to flashbacks? Because I have those
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Tripsurfer]
#22250876 - 09/17/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What do you mean by "flashbacks" exactly?
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Achillita]
#22250885 - 09/17/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Achillita said: What do you mean by "flashbacks" exactly?
I've never done LSD, but I know friends of mine who have get "flashbacks" like basically thrown in a trip occasionally. I know for a lot it happens when they crack their backs.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22250898 - 09/17/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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hahahahaha good one best joke I have heard in a while
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Tybg]
#22250906 - 09/17/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tybg said: Also just read Paroxetine gets rid of most/all HPPD symptoms
Horse shit.
Stay tuned for my up and coming psychedelics depersonalization and derealization thread too. I have been doing research and psychedelics are known to cause this chronic disorders as well. I want these issues to see the day of light here so people are aware of the risks.
Again, I think psychedelics are great and I enjoyed them and will trip again in the future. I just think information is key here and we always have discussion about how great they are but it would be nice to understand the potential risks.
If I am going to go zip lining, I want to hear about how fun it will be but I also expect a waiver I will need to sign to make sure I know the risks of doing said activity. Most people here know about these issues but the new people only hear about how great tripping is with information about things like "HPPD" always managing to be tucked away into a dark room where nobody can access this information.
Kind of like the forbidden section of the library in Harry Potter.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22250910 - 09/17/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Waiver's waive liability. Nobody gives a shit if you know whats up or not. Just sayin'.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: shroominated]
#22250911 - 09/17/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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you all cant handle your drugs only thing psychedelics does is show you the way out this mouse trap most of you are so dependent in your comfort zones that when you experience a hallucinogen you freak out and are consumed with fear
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: shroominated]
#22250915 - 09/17/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22250921 - 09/17/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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MajickMuffin said: I'm pretty sure that's not quite how it works at all. First of all its not random. It depends on the person, the cercumstances, and the drugs taken. Second, for most people it goes away after long periods of being sober.
Your being a fucking cock sucker because your one in a million HPPD sufferers whose got it bad, crying about it, and now your trying to say everyone can get it.
Fucking fear porn at its finest
One in a million heh? I don't even have it bad that's the funny thing. I don't have tracers or stuff like that, just neon shaps on white walls and stuff like that.
In the other HPPD thread there were probably around ten people that admitted to having it.
Oh, I have had issues with things like this since I was little kid -- moving neon shapes, and they would continue even with my eyes closed.
Was not aware that people credited this to psychedelic drugs. 
You do not have HPPD. HPPD is only when you get a perceptive disorder from taking hallucinogens.
Well no, I had gathered that from the definition, your experience was just interesting to me because I had never associated it with psychedelics. Am interested if you happen to know anything about the condition/at least a name for the condition if it occurs without hallucinogenic drugs at play.
From childhood, I have been able to look at blank walls and sometimes see sorts of geometric shapes that move across the surface; if I close my eyes they continue onward sometimes in patterns. Also would sometimes see blobs of colour move across my field of vision more generally; if I close my eyes and focus on them they sort of fractalize for lack of a better description. Aside from pain medications and muscle relaxants beginning in high school, had no drug usage until my 20s.
My time with psychedelic use was limited as I felt I got all I could from it early and did not have much more to take from such experiences, but for me the visuals were simply more of a distorting and contorting around edges of things -- the most pronounced effect was surrounding my murti of Shiva.
Lyrica was the source of the most profound hallucinations I have ever experienced though -- sometimes things got so vivid that I was genuinely confused about what was and wasn't reality, until the doctor took me back off the prescription. Seeing people that weren't there, thinking I was in places when I was somewhere else entirely -- shit was terrifying at times.
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: shroominated]
#22250924 - 09/17/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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shroominated said: youallcanthandleyourdrugsonlythingpsychedelicsdoesisshowyouthewayoutthismousetrapmostofyouaresodependentinyourcomfortzonesthatwhenyouexperienceahallucinogenyoufreakoutandareconsumedwithfear
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
#22250934 - 09/17/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
#22250940 - 09/17/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep and psychedelic flashbacks are real too. That shit is not propaganda from what I hear.
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