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OfflineArctic W. Fox
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Re: HPPD [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22261700 - 09/19/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Must not be a gateway drug.


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Re: HPPD [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #22262084 - 09/19/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I am in control bro but thx.




To be honest,  it sounds like your not. I don't know you but it actually sounds like hppd, if you do indeed have it, is the least of your problems. Good luck sorting things out but, I can tell you that you are going to get a lot further in life if you change your mindset. Your problems sound ludicrous put in context.

"Bitter cactus finds the mild visuals from hppd to be distracting him in class. Feels like his work is suffering as is his quality of life. Goes on a six day meth bender, feels that is fine."

Sorry man its not adding up :shrug:


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Re: HPPD [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22262119 - 09/19/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think he did quit meth now and has been off it for like a year, but he still uses speed daily (vyvanese now) that he got scripted by a doctor.

I also found a post from WCA like a year + ago where he was talking about how he was going to go to the doctor and try to get a "dank script" for adderall or something similar.

I'm assuming he probably faked his ADD symptoms to end up with the script, and that helped him break his addiction to using meth. But I really think it's likely his multiple years of meth use and now daily speed use probably has mentally affected him a lot more than his few times using shrooms.

I also know he's never brought up his HPPD symptoms ever of how they affect him so greatly, except for now, 3-4 years since he last did shrooms, which is suspect in itself.

I think he's just got something against psychs, probably cause he could never handle them and didn't enjoy them.

I'd much rather eat good shrooms or LSD than do meth. I've tried it, gone on a multiple day binge, and it really is a fucked up drug. I even prefer psychs to opiates. And my HPPD symptoms are minimal at best, I don't know if I even have it. The only thing I get is slight tracers of fast moving objects on a dark or black background, or a light (like a cell phone) being moved quickly in a dark room or in front of a black back ground.

It has no affect on my ability to do anything...


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Re: HPPD [Re: sh4d0ws] * 3
    #22262191 - 09/19/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I remember the first year I was off meth. Was doing coke, and eating a bowl of wake ups for breakfast and realized I was still in a tweaker mindset. Was a lot of years before I could even stop thinking like a meth head. Rediscovering psyches helped me overcome that. They also allowed me to ward off my cluster headaches and be a well functioning person.  I for one cannot imagine how my life would have been without them.


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Re: HPPD [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22262949 - 09/20/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Pasty, you're a cool dude :hug:


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Re: HPPD [Re: Achillita]
    #22263118 - 09/20/15 01:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:seriousthankyou:


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Re: HPPD [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22263180 - 09/20/15 01:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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...They also allowed me to ward off my cluster headaches and be a well functioning person.  I for one cannot imagine how my life would have been without them.




When used purely for medicinal purposes, what is the smallest dose you have found to relieve your cluster headaches? I have found as few as 12 liberty caps (roughly a 1/4-1/3 of a gram of cubes) can be useful medicinally, to ward off the winter blues, aka, SAD.
I offered to give a woman I know that suffers from migraines as many as she needed, but, she's not the type that would like to trip.
 
Her doctor is prescribing her ergotamine

"The caffeine present in many ergotamine-containing combinations helps ergotamine work better and faster by causing more of it to be quickly absorbed into the body. The belladonna alkaloids, dimenhydrinate, and diphenhydramine in some combinations help to relieve nausea and vomiting, which often occur together with the headaches. Dimenhydrinate, diphenhydramine, and pentobarbital also help the patient relax and even sleep. This also helps relieve headaches."

They'll give her an ergot derivative and relieve the nausea with belladonna.
"If it's all ther same to you doc, a think I'd prefer a mushroom and cannabis soup, and a cup of coffee, please."

Interesting about the caffeine, I wonder if it would speed up absorbsion of psilocybin.
I know we tend to refer to mushroom infusions as 'tea' personally my "tea" is more like a thin soup with a generous dollop of beef exrtact, Bovril. 

tl:dr  what's the minimum dose that works for treating cluster headaches?


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Re: HPPD [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22263181 - 09/20/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:fedora:


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Re: HPPD [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22263395 - 09/20/15 03:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder?

IMO, just because psychedelics have that effect on some people doesn't mean that it's a disorder.

Everybody knows that disorders are an invention of the psychiatry community. :likeaboss:

FWIW, I have tripped hundred of times and when I first started I would worry about HPPD, because my sense of perception/vision has definitely been permanently altered.

If a person who has never used psychedelics could experience what my visions is like sober, they would probably say I have HPPD. To me it is just normal, though. After a while you aren't going to be able to remember how you saw things before.

I think most people's brains adjust. Sort of like when you have a floater in your eye, but after a while you don't see it because your brain begins to filter it out.

I realize newsmax is probably a shitty source, but I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this:

Quote:

Your brain is set up to filter out distracting visuals and prioritize what's important. (Note: If floaters come with bright flashes or sharp-edged black areas, see an ophthalmologist as soon as possible. It may be an emergency: a sight-threatening retinal tear.)

Here are some tricks to reduce your perception of floaters:

-Practice extending your focus as far into the distance as possible so you are not "staring at" the floaters.

-If they have you stressed, practice meditation for 10 minutes, twice a day and make a conscious effort to let your thoughts about them float away.





I think this information would probably apply to HPPD symptoms as well.

TL;DR - Try to reduce your stress levels, stop doing drugs, ignore your visuals, and your brain will probably heal itself. I would be will to bet $$$ that in 5 years you will laugh at yourself for think you have HPPD.

edit: Also, I think somebody mentioned that you take Vyvanese. IME Adderall, Vyvanese, or any stimulant like that will definitely increase any "HPPD" I am experiencing.

Although, I personally wouldn't describe this as "HPPD". I would usually just say, "Things are a little more sparkly when I take stimulants.":lol:


Edited by FlyOnTheWall (09/20/15 03:30 AM)


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Re: HPPD [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
    #22263403 - 09/20/15 03:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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FlyOnTheWall said:
Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder?

IMO, just because psychedelics have that effect on some people doesn't mean that it's a disorder.






only when the set of symptoms a patient has starts to erode at their overall 'quality of life' does it become a disorder.

if the person is seeing things and functioning fine, why fix what isn't broken? if it's causing them distress however, it can be dealt with


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: 404]
    #22263604 - 09/20/15 06:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think there is a big misconception between true hppd and some lasting visual disturbances that go away within 1 month to a year. Especially after using heavily and often. This happened to me after a couple rough high dose lsd trips out of many others and I started thinking I had hppd. But it got better and was basically back to baseline in under a month. Real hppd is extremely rare, but would be a fucking nightmare. Definitely would need medicated and I just hope no one gets it permanently.  That can ruin a lot of things in one's life, but the original well researched psychs such as lsd and shrooms, it is extremely uncommon and mostly just lasting anxiety that heals over time.

I admit I didn't read through all the comments yet, but I'm curious how many people get true hppd that is permanent...


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Heisencybin]
    #22263702 - 09/20/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oh man I remember when I used to worry about HPPD. I would take it a million times over the health crap I've got going on now. Why didn't anyone warn me of the dangers of the American diet and lifestyle?!?!?!

But in all seriousness, I cant even remember what my vision looked like before tripping. I don't have overt symptoms or visuals, but I think my way of pattern recognition is permanently altered. Sometimes a little stronger reminder seems like it would actually be a blessing more than a curse. I think people sometimes get caught up on the word "disorder" too much


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Heisencybin]
    #22263705 - 09/20/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not necessarily tied to HPPD, but an interesting article that I recently came across:

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For the past nine weeks, I have suffered ‘floaters’ in my eyes, which my doctor said is caused by a detached vitreous humour.
When in the dark, I experience flashing lights at the side of my vision.
The first specialist I saw said it would settle down given time, but the second said it wouldn’t get better. Is there anything I can do to help the situation?


This is a common problem and I fully understand your anxiety — but please be assured that your sight is not in danger, as a loss of vision is very unlikely to happen.

Around 75 per cent of people develop this over the age of 65, and for some reason it is more common in women.

As your doctor probably explained, the condition is caused when the vitreous humour — the jelly-like substance that makes up four-fifths of the eye — pulls away from the back of the eyeball.

This area, known as the retina, is covered in a layer of light-sensitive cells — its role is to send images to the brain. So when this detachment happens, you will notice symptoms.

This painless event happened quite suddenly to a friend of mine a few nights ago when she was cooking dinner, and she described it as having a cobweb across one eye. The condition is related to ageing.

There are fine strands within the vitreous jelly which anchor it to the retina. As we get older, the vitreous jelly pulls on these fibres.

Eventually they break and the jelly falls away.

The ‘floaters’ are caused by these strands floating across our vision, and the flashes of light by any remaining strands tugging on the retina, causing it to send faulty signals to the brain.

Usually this does not threaten sight and no treatment is needed.

Diagnosis is made when an eye specialist examines the interior of the eye.

Usually the symptoms just settle down in a few weeks, but sometimes the traction of the vitreous fibres can create a small hole in the retina.

Here, the retina starts to pull away from the blood vessels at the back of the eye that supply it with vital oxygen and nutrients.

This can threaten vision and requires urgent treatment to re-attach the retina.

The risk of retinal detachment is greatest in the first few weeks after the vitreous falls away, and this was the reason for the second examination of your eye. It is reassuring that no further action was proposed.

In general, the symptoms do fade with time. Though the situation is frustrating, unfortunately there is nothing you can do to influence it.



Edit: Forgot the link http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2078790/Ask-doctor-Why-I-floating-shapes-eyes.html

Do not think this is the cause of HPPD, but it is interesting to consider that issues with visual floaters is actually considered to be a common part of aging.

For me, wondering if perhaps my own issues with floaters could be tied to eye conditions influenced by my neuropathic pain disorder.
Googling specifically for my condition + floaters (or + vision problems) actually gives me a number of different forums where people who share my condition experience the same thing, so may have gotten to the heart of my own issue.

Feel bad for BC though, as he might be struggling more than a regular person due to ADD -- HPPD would be essentially unavoidable distractions.


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Re: HPPD [Re: deucedbi9]
    #22264026 - 09/20/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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deucedbi9 said:
tl:dr  what's the minimum dose that works for treating cluster headaches?




As far as I can tell its different for everyone.  I used to be involved in a cluster headaches support group and there are a few different approachs that some people take. Micro dosing works for some but is ineffective for other people.  One thing to consider is that potency not only varies from species to species but also genetically within a species. Liberty caps actually vary quite a bit as do cubensis. Sensitivity to psilocybin is also greatly different for different people. I have a pretty high tolerance normally,  so what I consider a microdose might be too much for some.

Personally I have found daily microdosing to be difficult to do effectively. What works best for me is a larger dose every 4-5 weeks. That seems to do the trick and removes the risk of inadvertently taking to much or too little. I can then plan to do it at a point where it will not be inconvient. Unless you are consuming fruits with known potency it will always be somewhat of a crapshoot anyway.

The only drawback to the way I do it is sometimes I get too busy and forget or don't have time to take my dose. Then a headache can catch me and I have no choice but to attempt to "bust" the cluster.


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22273069 - 09/22/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

since I don't have hppd whats so special about me?


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: shroominated]
    #22273146 - 09/22/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You are like most psychedelic users.

Had to bring up this BC quote since this thread got bumped. I wasn't going to bother but...


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Bitter Cactus said:

Update on me though. Schools going good. I am doing four classes this semester. I have been putting literally every ounce of my focus into getting high marks since I wasted a year of my life addicted and the year after not doing much (but honestly I probably would have shit the bed in school if I applied coming right out of a meth addiction).

I am having a little problem with the social part of school. I used to be really confident and I am a super funny guy and have this really good personality but idk man in the last year I lost all my confidence and am now really awkward. I always feel too in a class or just anywhere in general people are judging me or laughing at me which is slightly a paranoid state of mind but idk I get that sometimes. :shrug:







I wonder if he has even considered the fact that his "doctor approved medicine" could be making his paranoia worse :confused:


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #22273156 - 09/22/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

bitter cactus must of met a succubus its the only logical explanation


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: sh4d0ws] * 1
    #22273161 - 09/22/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Addiction and delusion: the dirty little secret psychiatrists prescribing amphetamines have swept under the rug


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: morrowasted]
    #22273176 - 09/22/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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morrowasted said:
Addiction and delusion: the dirty little secret psychiatrists prescribing amphetamines have swept under the rug




:lolsy:


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: morrowasted]
    #22273182 - 09/22/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

if you people are experiencing any disorder your full of fear and need to stop letin people tell you what to believe you honestly would rather believe you have a disorder and theres nothing you can do to overcome this disorder that's weak as fuck I know I don't have any disorders and I know there isn't an obstacle I cant overcome no emotion I cant master no thought I cant control and no drug I cant tame you all are weak as fuck


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