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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22255892 - 09/18/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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HPPD strikes anyone at any time though. I have zero evidence to back this up and this is just from my observation, but it really seems sort of random in the way it will effect people.
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Many people who take psychedelics also find they have profound spiritual experiences that change their lives in meaningful ways for the rest of their life, particularly those with a religious upbringing or predisposition.

If we give people the disclaimer "you may have the most profound spiritual experience of your life that changes it forever in a positive way, or you may end up with minor perception issues that a small group of people consider negative" it is probably not going to deter a ton of people. :shrug:

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In a 25-year follow-up to the experiment, all of the subjects given psilocybin described their experience as having elements of "a genuine mystical nature and characterized it as one of the high points of their spiritual life".[



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Chapel_Experiment

Do not know how long-term HPPD has been studied, but a 25 year follow-up to a Harvard experiment suggests that the positive effects of psychedelics can last just as long, if not longer.

Honest information is good -- with HPPD we lack in information, and what information we do have does not serve as a great deterrent.


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22255893 - 09/18/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Bitter Cactus it doesnt strike anyone at any time.. it depends on the persons mental state, amount they took, drug history, and meth use


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22255906 - 09/18/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus it doesnt strike anyone at any time.. it depends on the persons mental state, amount they took, drug history, and meth use




I did meth at least a year or two after my last trip.

My first trip was a good trip and got HPPD the next morning. Each trip made it a little worse IMO. 

My drug history at the time is weed.


It is fucking random bro some people who have done all kinds of drugs and are depressed and don't exercise trip twenty times and don't get it.


Another person doing the same thing will get it the first time.


Another person who has a similar lifestyle trips 40 times and gets it on his last trip.


Then the guy that is the healthiest dude in the world tries it once and has severe hppd and ends up on the HPPD forum depressed and anxious and trying anything to make it go away.


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Tantrika]
    #22255912 - 09/18/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
HPPD strikes anyone at any time though. I have zero evidence to back this up and this is just from my observation, but it really seems sort of random in the way it will effect people.
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Many people who take psychedelics also find they have profound spiritual experiences that change their lives in meaningful ways for the rest of their life, particularly those with a religious upbringing or predisposition.

If we give people the disclaimer "you may have the most profound spiritual experience of your life that changes it forever in a positive way, or you may end up with minor perception issues that a small group of people consider negative" it is probably not going to deter a ton of people. :shrug:

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In a 25-year follow-up to the experiment, all of the subjects given psilocybin described their experience as having elements of "a genuine mystical nature and characterized it as one of the high points of their spiritual life".[



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Chapel_Experiment

Do not know how long-term HPPD has been studied, but a 25 year follow-up to a Harvard experiment suggests that the positive effects of psychedelics can last just as long, if not longer.

Honest information is good -- with HPPD we lack in information, and what information we do have does not serve as a great deterrent.





I do know that your first use can have a lasting impression on peoples lives.  Personally I take my experiences with a grain of salt.  Others in my circle take them very seriously and when sober they fixate on their experiences and can at time take over their day to day life in a negative, almost obsessive way.


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: BurkesGarden]
    #22256015 - 09/18/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I do know that your first use can have a lasting impression on peoples lives.  Personally I take my experiences with a grain of salt.  Others in my circle take them very seriously and when sober they fixate on their experiences and can at time take over their day to day life in a negative, almost obsessive way.




Several years in Religious Studies have shown me that this is true of a subset of spiritual people across the planet, including in countries that execute for drug crimes.

The biggest difference is religious fervor is culturally encouraged.


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Tantrika]
    #22256043 - 09/18/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Or SweetLeaf is this a form of HPPD?


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: BurkesGarden]
    #22256097 - 09/18/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No it's most definitely not. But what do you mean by taking over their day to day life? Like they just wonder about the trip? Or what happened during the trip?


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Tantrika]
    #22256105 - 09/18/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

SweetLeafSamadhi, how do you expect me to read anything you say or contribute in threads when all I can ever do is stare at your sig and forget what I even came in here for.


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: SirShroomsAlott] * 1
    #22256130 - 09/18/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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BurkesGarden said:
Or SweetLeaf is this a form of HPPD?




Would it make you feel more comfortable to label it as such?


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SweetLeafSamadhi, how do you expect me to read anything you say or contribute in threads when all I can ever do is stare at your sig and forget what I even came in here for.




"Dat ass tho." -- The 14th Dalai Lama  :lamastare:

My forum title is my disclaimer that I bring nothing to the conversation anyway. :lol:


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Achillita]
    #22256225 - 09/18/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This might sound dickish but people complaining about remote possibilities with drug use need to give their vag a wipe and quit whining. Any drug has the potential to carry unintended consequences. No one has their first beer planning to become an alcoholic but it can happen. Smokers probably don't take up the habit hoping for cancer. People can OD on heroin the first time they use it or the 500th time they use it.

HPPD is pretty minor and the number of people who develop it from a single use is so small its pretty insignificant. Most of the people I know IRL who used psychs never developed it and those few that did also used it very excessively and found it abated over time. Mountains outta molehills here people.


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22256303 - 09/18/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

HPPD has nothing to do with abusing them excessively. It can happen after a positive firs trip like it did for me.


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22256401 - 09/18/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes but that is exceedingly rare. You're taking a drug. To assume that any drug has zero chance of a negative reaction is naive.


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22256444 - 09/18/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

BC, you're going to have to add some info on why you think HPPD strikes so randomly. You yourself admit that you have no proof that this is the case, so what brought you to this conclusion?


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Achillita]
    #22258025 - 09/18/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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No it's most definitely not. But what do you mean by taking over their day to day life? Like they just wonder about the trip? Or what happened during the trip?




Yes wondering about the trip and what was learned.


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: BurkesGarden]
    #22258071 - 09/18/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Pharmocologically HPPD is difficult to explain, as no physical damage has occured, no permanent changes have occurred, the psychological distress does not seem to have a  physical component to it, so I'm very interested, is it some state of lasting shock? Like psychedelic PTSD?

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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22258227 - 09/18/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

absolutley, a form of PTSD is something to ponder.  I will get back when I continue my observation.


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: BurkesGarden]
    #22260477 - 09/19/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:shrug: Someone taking the psychedelic experience in a serious manner and just contemplating on what they learned is nothing bad imo.


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Achillita]
    #22260770 - 09/19/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think knowledge comes from life experience and doing things. If all your knowledge comes from taking drugs then you probably are not balanced in what you know.


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: BurkesGarden]
    #22260815 - 09/19/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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absolutley, a form of PTSD is something to ponder.  I will get back when I continue my observation.




Considering that psilocybin has been found to allow the brain to rewrite the pathways and reprogram itself I doubt its a form of PTSD. Medical research is finding that its helpful in rehabbing people with PTSD.



BC when you factor in the possibility that its known to remove learned associations and is essentially a reset of sorts for the mind,  perhaps your HPPD is nothing more than how you are supposed to perceive things in the first place. Man up and enjoy a mindset without obstruction. Enjoy a sense of sight less encumbered by learned gestalts.

I love how its only HPPD if the person experiencing it doesn't like it. Get a grip. OP took a mind expanding drug and is blaming it for his new awareness. Somehow the psyche community as a whole is to blame as well? Hmmm. If you were told straight up that there was a 1 in 20 millon chance you could develop hppd from taking shrooms once, would you have still done them? I bet you would have.


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Re: HPPD: the dirty little secret that psychedelic users have swept under the rug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22260818 - 09/19/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think knowledge comes from life experience and doing things. If all your knowledge comes from taking drugs then you probably are not balanced in what you know.




People who take drugs don't do things.

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