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Tomandjerry58
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Re: extraction tek--can this work? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22247002 - 09/16/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol id love too
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bodhisatta 
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Re: extraction tek--can this work? [Re: aerow.thefox]
#22247014 - 09/16/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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never read the book, saw the TED talk he did and some youtube videos by him about the same themes as the book though.
paul is a great but like all of us, we grow and learn things, and some of the things we did early in our career isn't exactly wrong but it's not as accurate as possible or in some cases it was exactly wrong.
Ethanol does work as a solvent but if the reason you're using ethanol rather than water is because of an invalid or mistaken concern than I get a little keyboard frustrated, or so it seems, I'm really just sitting here smoking weed.
some ethanol will keep your extraction solution from funk for sure, but frozen water is pretty stable too. most peoples freezers are nice and dark too so that's a bonus.
This is pure speculation but I would think that the actives would actually be more stable over time in frozen water than in freezing cold ethanol. that could very well not be true but either way worrying about how long it's going to last is moot.
extractions in water last longer than a good long time anyway. and if you can't make more within a couple years then
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preschooler said: Everclear taste like shit tho
id always put a lil pop in my mouth, then just 2-3 cc of solution, then chase. wasnt too bad. mostly a lingering taste of mushrooms.
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: extraction tek--can this work? [Re: bodhisatta]
#22247098 - 09/16/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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With water it can also be made into gelatin treats if you are not a vegan or anything. Ethanol is more like a preservative if anything like bodhisatta stated
Using acids is key to this extract. Mainly things that can already be found in limes,fruits etc or plants that already exist.
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Re: extraction tek--can this work? [Re: bodhisatta]
#22247100 - 09/16/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: paul is a great but like all of us, we grow and learn things, and some of the things we did early in our career isn't exactly wrong but it's not as accurate as possible or in some cases it was exactly wrong.
oh too true. lol
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: extraction tek--can this work? [Re: aerow.thefox]
#22247119 - 09/16/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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aerow.thefox said:
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preschooler said: Everclear taste like shit tho
id always put a lil pop in my mouth, then just 2-3 cc of solution, then chase. wasnt too bad. mostly a lingering taste of mushrooms. 
mine was more like 20 ml and it was like a mushroom just farted in my mouth helluva buzz tho my water/acid extract is far superior to this method
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aerow.thefox
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so after water/acid soak, can you evap to concentrate or did i have that wrong too? and as far as freezing it do you ever find it annoying that you need to thaw the tea solution?
and sorry for all this. did all my research years ago but the last couple/few yrs i havent been in a position to do much. so i was never on. things have changed. lol but its always good to have up to date info.
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Re: extraction tek--can this work? [Re: aerow.thefox]
#22247325 - 09/16/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes you can concentrate but we don't have figures as to what is too concentrated. Shoot for at the least 1g/1ml maybe?
-------------------- In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. All mushrooms are edible, but some only once..... Easier than cakes I do science and shit.
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Re: extraction tek--can this work? [Re: maddchef]
#22247340 - 09/16/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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maddchef said: Yes you can concentrate but we don't have figures as to what is too concentrated. Shoot for at the least 1g/1ml maybe?
thats about what i had my solution at b4 i dumped the rest of my extra not-fully-concentrated-solution in. now i dunno what its at.
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Re: extraction tek--can this work? [Re: bodhisatta]
#22247361 - 09/16/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
hot water is the best solvent. everclear sucks dick, vodka would be far superior to everclear because it has 60% water.
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Re: extraction tek--can this work? [Re: bodhisatta]
#22247390 - 09/16/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
hot water is the best solvent. everclear sucks dick, vodka would be far superior to everclear because it has 60% water.
So, if vodka would work because of water content, what about brandy at, say, 40% alcohol?
-------------------- My father used to say: I don't care what else you do in life, just don't be an asshole. People, forgive me when I forget what my daddy said. Cut back the proliferating list of people whose opinions can hurt you. Unless they have done or want to do you some good, their views are just not worth tracking. Saul Bellow “People are just cannibals unless they leave each other alone.” Doris Lessing Those whom the gods would save, they dower with compassion. Mr. P. Silocybin
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Re: extraction tek--can this work? [Re: bodhisatta]
#22248116 - 09/16/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: nope, wrong, bogus bullshit. hot water is the best solvent. everclear sucks dick, vodka would be far superior to everclear because it has 60% water.
This backwards. Pure water is a poor solvent. Pure ethanol is also a poor solvent. A mix of the two is a good solvent, around 75% ethanol seems to be the best. Slightly acidified water is poof, a good solvent. Psilocybin being a Zwitterion makes what it will dissolve in wacky and sometimes unexpected.
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: extraction tek--can this work? [Re: aerow.thefox]
#22249377 - 09/17/15 02:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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aerow.thefox said: so after water/acid soak, can you evap to concentrate or did i have that wrong too? and as far as freezing it do you ever find it annoying that you need to thaw the tea solution?
and sorry for all this. did all my research years ago but the last couple/few yrs i havent been in a position to do much. so i was never on. things have changed. lol but its always good to have up to date info. 
No reason for evaporation, use less water if you want. One could easily do a full scale water/acid extract on upwards of 7-14 grams with 500ml of water. Possibly a ton more if u reused the water. Im sure one could manipulate this.
Think like a chef here. A chef preparing shiitake tea or medicinal mushrooms would likely keep them dry and prepare them the day of....although I would probly take a shot or two with shiitake tea. Its pretty rough imo.
Ive actually canned my extracts via water bath before and they came out great with 7day and 1 month trials. Just using water and natural acids and anti oxidants.
Putting alcohol in the mix for a preservative would be ideal because the mix would be "safe" from outside bacteria and contaminants.
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bodhisatta 
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The only acid you need is ascorbic.
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: extraction tek--can this work? [Re: bodhisatta]
#22252260 - 09/17/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah ascorbic is universally a great preserving agent with plant and fungi plant matter. Most likely because its nature's anti-oxidant/acid. ive not worked purely with it alone...but id assume people use citric along with it because it brings the ph down so fast...with very minimal amounts used.
In my wonderful highdeas ... I think about how higher concentrations of ascorbic are found in plants that dip below zone 9/10. Closer to the equator and closer to the sun.
THe plants naturally produce it to prenvent oxidation
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