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Back to the basics Registered: 05/26/14 Posts: 4,565 Last seen: 3 years, 10 days |
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I bought a lifestraw, it's pretty damn good. I love the water pouch that came with it, I use that everyday actually
![]() Quote: You do know that mammals, fish, and reptiles are from a completely different line than dinosaurs right? The majority of them died out, the ones that survived evolved into birds, not anything else. --------------------
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Stranger Registered: 02/28/06 Posts: 21,636 Last seen: 7 years, 7 months |
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when I went to science class in middleschool our teacher took a clear glass tube, filled it with like a foot of dirt and sand, and then offered anyone to drink the water that came out of it. you could do charcoal instead of dirt pretty easily, pure sand im sure would work good too, im not really sure why she used dirt I guess just to show how easy it is or something
so if you have a pvc pipe or any pipe you could set something like that up, just run your water through it a bunch of times those life straws seem kinda pointless, unless u have 100 of them really whats the point? after a couple weeks it would prolly be so clogged you couldn't suck through it, from what I heard its hard to suck through them brand new, and after a month 2 or 3 you prolly couldn't really trust it nor use it. prepping should be able whats sustainable -------------------- Ø h® We play on earth to pass the time Over-population the root of all Evil-brings the Elites Closer to the gates.
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Time Registered: 05/07/15 Posts: 2,224 Loc: Canada |
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one thing that is possible that could happen anytime is a massive solar flare that would act as am emp of sorts and fry all electronics.
It happened before in I believe 1898 or around then, it caused the telegraph wires to catch fire and their boxes to explode. Id have to double check dates.. but you can google it. A mass solar flare like that would fuck us up. no electricity.
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Mage Registered: 02/06/02 Posts: 86,797 |
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Quote: For a decade under African conditions they have proven that 1 lifestraw with proper use gets you 1000 liters = 264 gal of purified water. You can always make a soil filter or dig a well. Thing is, a lifestraw is immediately ready for use and weighs less than 2 ounces.
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Back to the basics Registered: 05/26/14 Posts: 4,565 Last seen: 3 years, 10 days |
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Quote: Back washng prevents permanent clogage, and makes it where you can use it for multiple times. With proper maintenance(which is really easy), and if you drink 8 ounces of water a day, it could lasr you 528 days. That's pretty damn good. And that's if you only use it. Life straw is pretty easy to drink out of though, there are other brands that have been known to clog up and be shitty. --------------------
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Alt Center Registered: 06/20/04 Posts: 14,850 Loc: S.E. |
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8oz of water per day? You will die if that's all you get. So we should get a straw and go out into the woods if bad things go down?
A solar flare will simply disrupt communications for a while. abd, got anything to back up the story about telegraph wires burning? -------------------- “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835) Trade list http://www.shroomery.org/forums/
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Stranger Registered: 02/28/06 Posts: 21,636 Last seen: 7 years, 7 months |
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Quote: for some reason I assumed that 264 gallons was if u ran water through it continuously, which I also assume is how they tested it. So my concern about it is 2 fold 1. Over months and months it would clog (your mention of Africa's use of them may have already taken care of this concern) 2. is that I assume there is some expiration date after you start using one, so the only way you get 264 gallons is if again you are basically constantly sucking water through it. so I dunno I havn't really researched into them much, I just assumed they must be fairly similar to other filtration systems, and all of those have expiration dates on them, every single one. Infact some of them even have a date if you never open them. Id like to see some kind of test that was run on those life straws after they had been in use for like 8 months or something -------------------- Ø h® We play on earth to pass the time Over-population the root of all Evil-brings the Elites Closer to the gates.
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Back to the basics Registered: 05/26/14 Posts: 4,565 Last seen: 3 years, 10 days |
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Quote: I meant 8 8 ounce cups of water. Quote: Maintence is required for keeping them last for a long time. They don't have expiration dates on them either. --------------------
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Blue Mantis Registered: 05/28/04 Posts: 27,202 Loc: Iceland |
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THE GLOBAL ECOLOGICAL CRISIS
(Pay particular attention to the section on biodiversity loss) Introduction The contemporary world is charged with an atmosphere of “anxious uncertainty, which seems to animate much of the public discussion on planetary futures today” (Stoett 2012, xi). This anxiety is borne out of a growing awareness that “fears of cataclysmic events-ones related both to climate change and to more natural disasters- are certainly ripe” (Stoett 2012, xi). So pervasive and existential are these environmental anxieties that they may now “be compared to the fear of nuclear annihilation that marked the cold war period” (Stoett 2012, xi). Unfortunately, these anxieties are not exaggerated or unfounded, as there is now an overwhelming scientific consensus that the planet Earth is confronted by an ecological crisis of massive proportions, one that jeopardizes the survival of both human civilization and the majority of plant and animal life (Sachs 2008, Korten 2006). Indeed, “the empirical evidence that there are multiple and interconnected environmental crises and that human communities are threatened by their culminated impact is rather incontrovertible” (Stoett 2012, 3). It cannot be overemphasized that “a large and growing body of evidence—representing the majority of experts across academic fields—has demonstrated that we are in the midst of an ecological crisis. While it is impossible to pinpoint the exact date of the “endgame” or tipping point, there is no doubt that we are facing a period of profound instability” (Brownlee and Kuneman 2012, 59). It has been observed that “so profound are these issues that the most prevalent cultural motif today...is that we are in collective trouble, and this theme is reflected in a postmodern planetary anxiety, which engulfs much of the public thinking about our collective future” (Stoett 2012, 2). Human activity has dramatically and rapidly decreased the livability of the planet Earth, with the consequence that the very survival of the species has now been called into question (Bauman 2001, 187). As a result of the catastrophic erosion of ecosystems and the resulting degradation of vital natural resources such as fertile soil, fresh water and clean air, humanity is now confronting a global environmental emergency of apocalyptic proportions. Jared Diamond (2005) has argued that our society, like so many before it, is heading for collapse. The primary driver of that collapse will almost certainly be ecocide. Ecocide is a key concept in this analysis, because “ecocide has now come to overshadow nuclear war and emerging diseases as a threat to global civilization” (Diamond 2005, 7). Therefore, “the post-cold war era has not been free from the existential fears of previous generations who were made to hide under school desks in futile nuclear attack drills. If anything, the angst is sharper today because of the gnawing feeling that we could, should, must do more” in the face of the “rampant ecocide that now threatens all future generations” (Stoett 2012, 2). Ecocide is defined as the systematic destruction of ecosystems and the extermination of non-human species. However, ecocide also means “unintended ecological suicide…people inadvertently destroying the natural resources on which their societies depend” (Diamond 2005, 6). Therefore, ecocide refers to the set of processes by which humans are systematically eroding the very planetary life support systems on which their own existence relies. Chapter 1: Climate Change and Biodiversity Loss This chapter presents an introduction to, and preliminary analysis of, the two primary facets of the global ecological crisis. The first aspect of the crisis is climate change, and the second is biodiversity loss. Both will now be explained in detail. Contemporary anthropogenic climate change refers primarily to the rapid rise of planetary temperatures as a result of the atmospheric accumulation of pollutants emitted by human practices of transportation and production. However, both record high and record low temperatures have been experienced in particular locales and a general destabilization of climate patterns and intensification of weather events are as much a part of climate change as general warming. These atmospheric pollutants, sometimes referred to as greenhouse gases, trap solar heat in the atmosphere resulting in a warming global climate. There is a strong and growing consensus that “global warming is a threat to life on earth and is caused by the increasing atmospheric accumulation of carbon dioxide, methane, oxides of nitrogen and chlorofluorocarbons” (Marsden 2007, 126). The control of these greenhouse gases has arguably become the foremost environmental challenge facing humanity today (along with the related issue of atmospheric ozone depletion) and climate change is already affecting the health of children and putting the future of coming generations into jeopardy (Heesterman and Heesterman 2013, 1). Global warming is anticipated to have at least six major catastrophic effects on human life. These are: 1. massive displacement of human populations as glaciers melt and sea levels rise, resulting in the flooding of coastal cities and the uprooting of “hundreds of millions of coastal dwellers” (Homer-Dixon 2009, 18). 2. A drastic increase in the scarcity of fresh water as lakes evaporate, rivers dry up and freshwater aquifers are destroyed by salinization from rising oceans. 3. Increased rates of starvation and food scarcity as water for irrigation becomes rare and “shifting weather patterns…turn the world’s breadbaskets into dust bowls” (Homer-Dixon 2009, 18). 4. An increase in the frequency and severity of lethal heat waves, extreme climactic events and natural disasters. 5. An increase in social conflict and military violence, as geopolitical pressures associated with “climate change will help produce…violence in the form of insurgencies, guerrilla attacks, gang warfare, and terrorism that is diffuse and chronic” (Homer-Dixon 2009, 19). 6. Increased spread of infectious disease, as “rising temperatures are bound to contribute to an increase in cholera, diarrhoea and malaria” (Clarke 2008, 62). For the global ecosystem “human pressures on the Earth’s… climate, unless mitigated… will cause dangerous climate change, massive species extinction, and the destruction of vital (ecosystemic) life support functions” (Sachs 2008, 6). The ecological consequences will be numerous and in many cases disastrous. For example, “global warming will raise ocean temperatures and lead to massive coral bleaching, in which the corals expel the micro algal organisms that give the corals their dazzling colors, and die” (Sachs 2008, 74). Coral reefs are among the most ecologically rich and biodiverse environments on earth, and their destruction will be disastrous for marine species. Although the worst consequences of climate change are no doubt still looming on the horizon, significant “climactic damage… has already occurred, (including) droughts in East Africa, flooding in Bangladesh, (and) flooding in Southern Germany” (Heesterman and Heesterman 2013, 17). Furthermore, the health and life chances of children in the developing world have been severely threatened, melting of the arctic sea ice has exceeded even the most pessimistic expectations, and the Earth’s surface has heated by one degree centigrade since the mid-1950s (Heesterman and Heesterman 2013, 17). Sadly, “in all probability it has already caused irreparable damage, which is likely to become worse” as “the consumption of fossil fuels and more generally the creation and use of industrial products is a basic characteristic of our society” and “this makes it extremely difficult to reduce emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases to a level capable of preventing their concentration in the atmosphere from rising even further” (Heesterman and Heesterman 2013, 17). The severity of the negative outcomes associated with climate change is dependent upon the extent of the global temperature rise and the intensity of carbon saturation in the atmosphere. This is represented by the notion of climate thresholds, levels of change that differentiate apocalyptic global warming from warming that is ‘merely’ disastrous. Many “climate scientists agree that the critical threshold for temperature rise on the planet is two degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels” and hope that “holding global temperatures at two degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels...would be sufficient to bring global warming under control”, thereby averting the worst outcomes (Clarke 2008, 61). If, on the other hand, carbon emissions are not brought under control and temperatures rise above the two degree threshold, experts predict that we will pass a point of no return, beyond which “major ecosystems on the planet will begin to collapse (and) start releasing greenhouse gases instead of absorbing them...At this moment and beyond climate change will be out of our hands and accelerate without our help” (Clarke 2008, 61). The extent of temperature rise is also correlated with the concentration of carbon as measured in parts per million. In this case, “climate scientists generally agreed that 450 parts per million was potentially a critical threshold. Beyond that point, they argued, the biosphere itself could start to release massive amounts of carbon…(and) this would be the beginning of a slide to irreversible and perhaps catastrophic climate change” (Homer-Dixon 2009, 16). Unfortunately, new research has suggested that previous estimates may have been too optimistic, and that the threshold of catastrophic change may in fact be considerably lower. Recently “a consensus has begun to emerge that the safe threshold is likely far below 450 parts per million” and “the lead climate scientist at NASA…has recently argued that the world needs to return to 350 parts per million” (Homer-Dixon 2009, 16). If this estimate is correct, the critical threshold may have already been passed as much as two decades ago. Although specific predictions vary, all “models agree that the business-as-usual path of GHG emission trajectory will sooner or later cause a phase transition in the coupled atmospheric system, after which socio-political policy actions and behavioral changes by themselves will not be adequate to stop run-away climate change” (Zia 2013, 11). This is because “the natural biogeochemical cycle would have degenerated to the point that reduction in anthropogenic GHG emissions would be inadequate to stop the global warming effect from playing havoc in diverse socio-ecological systems” (Zia 2013, 11). Curbing emissions in time to prevent this catastrophic threshold from being crossed is therefore an urgent and unavoidable component of human civilization’s struggle to solve the global ecological crisis, and the urgency of the climate change crisis demands a rapid transition from carbon-intensive to sustainable methods of production and employment” (Heesterman and Heesterman 2013, 4). Even if climate change can be kept below catastrophic thresholds, consequences for humanity and nature will be extreme. Even modest increases in temperature can have profound effects, and Clarke (2008) argues that “temperature increases of less than one degree above pre-industrial levels ... would trigger a decline in crop yields, the spread of drought within the Saharan region of Africa, a further deterioration of water quality and a dying off of coral reefs” (62). Meanwhile, “if temperatures rise by less than 1.5 degrees above pre-industrial levels, we can expect that an additional 400 million people will face water shortages, an additional 5 million people will go hungry, and 18 percent of the world's species will become extinct” (Clarke 2008, 62). It is abundantly clear, therefore, that responding to climate change is an extremely urgent aspect of addressing the global ecological crisis. Some experts predict that “an even greater harm… might come from our interference with ecological processes” in the form of anthropogenic global warming. This theory postulates that the end result of our greenhouse gas emissions may be nothing less than mass extinction. For example, Ward (2007) “has found historical parallels between previous mass extinction events and a strong rise in greenhouse gases. In the case of the largest extinction event, the Permian extinction of 200 million years ago… 90% of the species on earth and 97% of living beings were eliminated as a result of a massive atmospheric injection of greenhouse gases” (286). If human caused atmospheric emissions could induce a similar effect, the result could be a genuine apocalypse- the end of life on earth as we know it. Biodiversity Loss The second major facet of the global ecological disaster is biodiversity loss. This category is both a distinct environmental emergency and a direct consequence of climate change. According to White (2010), “biodiversity is generally defined as the variety of all species on earth. It refers to the different plants, animals and micro-organisms, and their genes that together make up life on the planet” (White 2010, 53). Contemporary biodiversity loss, therefore, refers to “the tide of species extinction and the overall reduction in species” as human destruction of ecosystems makes it impossible for other forms of life to survive (White 2010, 4). Today “it is commonly understood that species are nearing extinction on a daily basis” and this the core of the issue of biodiversity loss (Stoett 2012, xii). In particular, “biodiversity is at serious risk from profit-oriented production methods and current patterns of consumption” and the exacerbating factor of human population growth (Heesterman and Heesterman 2013, 1). What has become exceedingly clear is that global “business as usual threatens the collapse of high biodiversity ecosystems, such as the tropical rainforest zones” (Heesterman and Heesterman 2013, 164). Furthermore, “there are indications that (although) there are threshold levels up to which the system as a whole can cope… the next dose of strain may cause a complete collapse” (Heesterman and Heesterman 2013, 164). When we will reach that fateful point of no-return is unclear, but strong indicators suggest that we do not have much time left to stem the tide of species extinctions before the hemorrhaging of planetary biodiversity reaches a terminal stage. In essence, the problem of biodiversity loss describes the human transformation of Earth from a planet that is rich with a vast diversity of life to a planet that is genetically impoverished. Few now doubt the “evidence of massive and planet-wide species extinction at the hands of human activity” (Sachs 2008, 13). Tragically, we are witnessing “the extermination of the majority of non-human species as an unintended consequence of the overuse of the earth’s resources” and the resulting consequences of “habitat destruction… collapsing fish stocks, destruction of coral reefs, irresponsible felling of tropical rainforests and overuse of water, to name but a few” (Heesterman and Heesterman 2013, 17). The Rio Convention on Biological Diversity has stated that "we are indeed experiencing the greatest wave of extinction since the disappearance of the dinosaurs" (Sachs 2008, 14). According to their estimates "every hour three species disappear. Every day up to 150 species are lost" (Sachs 2008, 14). This “wanton plunder of other forms of life is heartbreaking, quite apart from the fact that humanity itself might come to harm as a result of extinctions of this magnitude” (Heesterman and Heesterman 2013, 17-18) Clearly, therefore “there is an urgent need to rectify the damage that is still being inflicted on the ecosystem, to find a human lifestyle that does not attack its own physical and biological basis” (Heesterman and Heesterman 2013, 17). In order to measure the rate of biodiversity loss, “the World Wildlife Fund regularly publishes a Living Planet Index that tracks the health of the world’s forest, freshwater, ocean, and coastal ecosystems over time” (Korten 2006, 59). This index provides a rough measure of the vital capacity and ecological wellbeing of our planet. Disturbingly, this index has “declined by 37% over the thirty year period from 1970 to 2000” (Korten 2006, 59). Biodiversity is the very fabric of life on earth, and this fabric is being torn apart. Although few species have remained unscathed in this global wave of mass extinctions, some have been hit especially hard. It is estimated that “amphibians face the greatest risk and coral species are deteriorating more rapidly in status” (Stoett 2012, 44). Overall, “the abundance of vertebrate species, based on assessed populations, fell by nearly a third on average between 1970 and 2006, and continues to fall globally, with especially severe declines in the tropics and among freshwater species” (Stoett 2012, 44). One basic cause of biodiversity loss is the increased mastery of our environment afforded to human beings by our technology, combined with a lack of ethical respect and recognition for non-human forms of life. In essence, “we have become so adept at clearing the ecological playing field to satisfy human desires that we are shoving the rest of life right off the stage” (Sachs 2008, 66). The industrial revolution has allowed us to remake the natural world in our own image, to the extent that Paul Crutzen has dubbed the current age “the Anthropocene”- meaning that “human activity has become the dominant driver of the natural environment” (Sachs 2008, 64). This ecological disruption has been so profound that “scientists estimate that extinction rates are 1,000 times higher than the background or naturally expected rate” (Millennium Ecosystem Assessment [MEA] 2005, 3). Critical dimensions of anthropogenic species extinction include habitat disruption, “extensive fragmentation and degradation of forests, rivers and other ecosystems” and “crop and livestock genetic diversity… decline in agricultural systems” (Stoett 2012, 44). Part of the problem is that humans barely understand the ecological systems that we have usurped, and in just over 200 years humanity has driven species to extinction at a rate not seen on Earth since the dinosaurs were wiped out by a great meteor. When biodiversity is lost untold genetic riches are lost with it. For example, thousands of lifesaving medicines have been derived from chemical analysis of plant species, and yet “less than 2 percent of all plant species have been fully tested in laboratories” (Narby 1998, 38). Remarkably “the great majority of the remaining 98% are in tropical forests” such as the Amazon, which “contains half of all the plant species on Earth” (Narby 1998, 38). Yet as human agents clear vast swathes of rainforest in order to undertake activities such as cattle ranching, mining and oil and gas exploration, the rapid deforestation in these areas is resulting in countless species “literally plummeting” towards extinction (Van Solinge 2010, 32). Another major driver of biodiversity loss is agriculture, particularly “monocropping schemes (which) are really testing the limits of the ecosystems. They are thirsty in water, fail to regenerate the soils and often result in an overuse of pesticides because the natural defenses in nature (thanks to the diversity of plants) are missing” (Heesterman and Heesterman 2013, 164). As a result of these sources of biodiversity loss, countless potential drugs, medicines and scientific breakthroughs will be lost forever, along with a great portion of the Earth’s beauty and ecological robustness. The rate of biodiversity loss is truly frightening. In the last five hundred years “more than 750 species extinctions have been recorded by the international union for conservation and natural resources” (Van Solinge 2010, 143). These recorded extinctions are only the tip of the iceberg however, as the vast majority of extinctions are not recognized by science, often involving the annihilation of life forms before they can even be identified and classified by researchers. E.O. Wilson “has estimated that up to half of all species… faces a threat of extinction during the twenty-first century” (Van Solinge 2010, 143). Driven largely by “habitat destruction, climate change, and invasive species” the planetary ecosphere has been plunged in to “the greatest mass extinction in history” (Stoett 2012, 44 and 43). What we are witnessing is the literal collapse of life on Earth within the course of a single human generation. There can no longer be any doubt that “we are witnessing, and indeed enabling, a catastrophe” (Stoett 2012, 44). The Earth is experiencing a “rapid deterioration of biodiversity across the plant and animal kingdoms” as a result of factors such as “(human) population growth; pollution; global climate change; habitat destruction; over-exploitation of natural resources and invasion of introduced species” (White 2011, 58). It is believed that “the greatest threat to biodiversity is habitat destruction, which has many linked causes: deforestation, desertification, intentional or natural flooding and fire, land conversion for agriculture or commercial development, the spread of pollution including oil and radiation, and the introduction (intended or not) of invasive species” (Stoett 2012, 36). Another major factor is waste and pollution, which runs the gamut from the “local and perceptible, such as oil spills, river contamination or the effect of lead from car exhausts… to the other end of the scale… the threats to the integrity of global resources, such as the ozone layer, the atmosphere and ecosystem” (Heesterman and Heesterman 2013, 161). All of these factors are pushing species to extinction at an unprecedented rate. Consequently, “the loss of biodiversity in all three of its main components – genes, species and ecosystems – continues at a rapid pace today and the principal pressures directly driving biodiversity loss… are either constant or increasing in intensity” (White 2011, 53). These trends suggest that future generations of humans will inhabit a world largely devoid of wildlife, a world in which the magnificent living richness and diversity of planet Earth is a historical footnote rather than a living reality. The relationship between biodiversity loss and climate change is both direct and complex. This is because “the destruction of ecosystems and biodiversity are not only reckless in their own right but also reinforce the CO2 content of the atmosphere... Climate change and acidification of the oceans with carbonic acid in their turn threaten biodiversity. They reduce capacity of the oceans to absorb CO2 in an augmenting two-way loop which again increases climate change. Rising water temperatures and incipient acidification of the oceans have led to large-scale coral bleaching with serious repercussions for marine biodiversity as well as grave implications for human health” (Heesterman and Heesterman 2013, 163). We must understand biodiversity loss and climate change as distinct but interconnected issues, each feeding into and reinforcing the other. Therefore we must search for solutions that address both problems simultaneously, and remember that although these two categories of global ecological harm cannot be collapsed in to one another, neither can they ever be fundamentally separated in analytical or pragmatic terms. Taken together, biodiversity loss and climate change are the two major faces of the global ecological crisis, and in order to solve either problem, we must solve both.
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Registered: 07/26/15 Posts: 2,036 Loc: Who nose. Last seen: 13 hours, 3 minutes |
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No matter what you do unless you're able to build your own self-sustaining microclimate all your prepping will be useless. Without air/water/fertile land and without stable oceans we will all die. No amount of prepping will save you so just pack a pistol with a few bullets in it. The only chance is if we ALL change our habits, e.g. not eating so much meat (production of meat in america uses more water than ANYTHING and produces more greenhouse gasses than the whole pop of the U.S. put out by driving), not overfishing our oceans, finding renewable ways to sustain our lives and dramatically reducing the global pop. (none of which is happening fast enough or even at all). Basically unless we change it now, you, me, our families and just about every organism thats not an extremophile on this earth is fucked. Its funny to think people believe that without pollinators, ocean currents, clean water, an atmosphere, etc you'll be able to survive. 50-100 years from now earth wont be earth as we know it now at this pace.
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Registered: 07/26/15 Posts: 2,036 Loc: Who nose. Last seen: 13 hours, 3 minutes |
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what would be the point.
Bro what are you talking about? You'd be free to go wherever you want; you'd be a travelling nomad, you could just be smoking up herb and tripping whenever you like. lol Sure a lot of horrible shit would comprise your life but that doesn't mean you couldn't find some awesome shit to do. lol haha how are you going to get drugs in a world where clean air and water and food are going to be luxuries........read The Road and tell me that sounds like fun again
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Blue Mantis Registered: 05/28/04 Posts: 27,202 Loc: Iceland |
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Whether we can survive will depend on the extent of the catastrophe. There are some so severe that nothing could possibly save you for even a minute, not even an underground bunker, but many others where the right preperation would see you through perfectly fine (a temporary power outage, severe snow storm or thunder storm, earthquake, temporary food and water interuption) and many circumstances where life will become very hard for a while (economic collapse, draught, famine, disease) but with the right preperation you could be ok, and even in a very bad situation (super volcano eruption) extensive preperation could allow some to survive for a much longer time.
In a more or less worst case scenario I only expect to be able to survive for one year with my wife and thats with very extensive preperation. To have enough food and water and stuff in the house that you could live for a full year for two people without any running water, electricity or food inputs and without leaving the house. In most cases that have occured in human history, the right preparation would have made all the difference. Even our ancient ancestors who lived within the blast radius of the last supervolcano eruption had some survivors. There will generally be some who survive even in absolute global catacylsms and those who prepare are far more likely to survive.
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Registered: 07/26/15 Posts: 2,036 Loc: Who nose. Last seen: 13 hours, 3 minutes |
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Quote: The fact we survived that explosion about 65000 years ago was a miracle, homo sapiens were down to only about 1000* pairs. However they still had a somewhat usable atmosphere despite the volcanic cloud cover that wouldve lasted a few years. Regardless of that they still had oceans, they were able to move away from destroyed areas and being only 2000 strong there wasnt much competition. Today is nothing like humans have ever seen before and its all happened mostly in the past 300 years, which geologically is not even measurable. Its like then than a billisecond of time and its not only the atmosphere thats fucked now, its the oceans, the population, how we've turned earth into a human centric society. But the biggest thing is once the oceans go stagnant the hole planet will come to a grinding halt. Elizabeth Kolberts book The 6th Extinction is a great read on it, as is a netflix documentary Cowspiracy (as dumb as the title sounds its a great non read on the subject), also read up on the U.N. climate studies and reports there are some that predict if current fishing keeps doing what its doing we have till around 2050 before the oceans become dead due to overfishing and agricultural runoff crating mass algae blooms. You'll come to the conclusion that no matter what you do a an individual there is no chance for us. Without air, food, water there is nothing you can do to prep. However these are all studies and there is room for error but as someone studying Environmental Sciences i just comfort myself with the fact that at least we get to live in one of the most unique periods of time, either me or my future kids will likely experience a major extinction. Edit: a visualization to look at how bad things have gotten, we're f to u to ck to the ed http://www.susps.org/overview/nu Edited by MysticMoteToter (09/23/15 01:06 PM)
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Blue Mantis Registered: 05/28/04 Posts: 27,202 Loc: Iceland |
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Thats why it is so important to begin prepping now, before the masses wake up to how dire the situation is, and stockpile food before it becomes too scarce and expensive.
Food prices are actually at a low right now, and even though we are almost out of fish you can still stock up on canned tuna and salmon at affordable prices. Knowing that these things will become more expensive and scarce and demand will rise as supply falls, its simply common sense to stockpile everything you can now, to soften the journey ahead. Perhaps by 2050 things will reach absolute crisis stage, so don't waste the intervening years. Prepare now. And don't have children. We might just get to live out the full span of our lives in a good planet, but I wouldn't bet on the next two generations. So don't have kids, and invest the 250 000 dollars it costs to raise a kid into survival supplies, then you can have a good chance to enjoy a decent full life and enough cushion to see you through when things get rocky. At the very least the comfort of knowing you have a few hundred meals, a few hundred litres of drinking water and a few bottles of wine, bags of coffee, some kratom and weed, etc, so that when shit hits the fan you can sit back in comfort and enjoy the ride instead of frantically struggling with others to fight over scraps at the grocery store. Once the news gets out there WILL be a mass panic rush to get supplies. Fuck that noise, I will prepare now and while others panic I will crack open a bottle of wine, lock my doors and load my guns.
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Registered: 07/26/15 Posts: 2,036 Loc: Who nose. Last seen: 13 hours, 3 minutes |
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Food doesn't mean anything when the planet is "dead" i.e. stagnant atmosphere and oceans, areas that are hot will become too hot to be livable and places are cold will be too cold to be livable. Also without ocean currents air will become stagnant and become unusable. No amount of prepping will save you unless you know where another earth is and have a spaceship to get there.....or you have a microclimate and then you'd have to live in there for the rest of your life. This won't be like it is in the movies dude, your not going to have a chance to become a road warrior or survive on your stockpiles, we will be more like a bunch of anchovies in a bucket thats not being replenished with oxygenated water. If you want to do something positive and actually have a chance at stopping/slowing a 6th extinction event we all just have to change our lifestyles. Watch Cowspiracy for a good idea on how you as an individual could actually make a difference, Read current climate report studies and I'd recommend Elizabeth Kolberts book The 6th Extinction to get a better grip on the worst case scenario what will happen Again, if it ever gets bad enough to need a bugout bag and its a true environmental catastrophe and not just a small scale event the best way out is a bullet in the brain.
Edit: visualize whats happening....were essentially turning our planet into Mars, and food, alcohol and other comforts wont do shit without a stable climate Edited by MysticMoteToter (09/23/15 01:46 PM)
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How are you going to store your water? Water in plastic bottles goes bad in a fairly short time.
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i'm going to read that over when im not running back and forth from the stove, but there's also studies that show our magnetic field effects climate. I'll find more info on it later, but because of our sun's quiet phase, meaning solar activity below norm. our magnectic field is not getting the energy it needs and that effects a few things in turn effecting our winds.
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