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Going to try grain jars, had some questions.
    #22240634 - 09/15/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

And I have a couple REALLY dumb, noob questions, I'm, sure :lol::
A lot of teks use rye berry, birdseed, grass seed and other things. I'm just on my way to a local homebrew store today and was wondering if I could use their dried, bulk stored malts/grains. Is there issue with getting the cheap, two row malt? Also, I'm guessing they're pretty fucked, contam-wise. Is the typical PC treatment going to do the trick?

Finally, if you have any advice/links for a PF caking, noob, I'm am always grateful!

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Re: Going to try grain jars, had some questions. [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22241030 - 09/15/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't see any issues with 2 row as long as the hull is on the grain.  You probably want to soak the grain in a coffee/water mix.  PCing at 15 psi for 90 minutes should kill just about anything.

Are you currently doing cakes?


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Re: Going to try grain jars, had some questions. [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #22241430 - 09/15/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the reply!

Yes ma'am,
I have three pint jars that I'm going to try and mix with coir/verm for a bulk, monotub grow. I need to do more research into some of the nuances that have changed over the years, but that's the idea.

Meanwhile, I want to get some more jars going and get comfortable with the many grain teks out there. It just seems more practical for monotub and if it works in conjunction with my home-brewing, great :thumbup:. I need to do more research there too, but I'm probably going to start with simple materials. :shrug:

Coffee is a simple ingredient. What does the coffee-water do? I've seen coffee grounds added to a LOT of mediums, but was under the impression it wasn't so much about adding nutrients/food.

So hulls: I'm guessing this is to provide adequate water retention in the medium? The grain comes rather large (like the size of dried lentils) Do I want to grind it up to a certain consistency? Are these simple questions, should I just search more? :lol:


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Re: Going to try grain jars, had some questions. [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22241483 - 09/15/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Heh, I'm searching now. These are simple questions. My bad!


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Re: Going to try grain jars, had some questions. [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22241630 - 09/15/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I apologize for my miswording.  You want the bran on the grain. 

I believe the issue with polished grains is that they get sticky and unshakable.  If you're going to grind up grains, you should probably make a cake.  Whole grains are the best because all the moisture you need is right in the grain.  No muss, no fuss.

3 pints doesn't seem like enough spawn for a mono.  Have you checked out PastyWhyte's mini mono tek?  I think you need at least a quart per mini mono, but I could be wrong there.

Weak coffee is great for soaking with because it helps speed up colonization.  You don't want to use a lot or else it might slow down growth.  I've seen people add spent grounds to coir and stuff, but a lot of the time it seems to end in contams and misery.  Just a lot more trouble than its worth.

I've seen people run their cakes through a cheese grater when spawning to bulk, but I've never personally done it.

You might run into issues finding info on using barley because its kind of obscure here.  Most folks seem to use rye or grass seeds. 

There was an article around here somewhere where a guy wanted to use spent barley from making beer.


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Re: Going to try grain jars, had some questions. [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #22241702 - 09/15/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I apologize for my miswording.  You want the bran on the grain. I believe the issue with polished grains is that they get sticky and unshakable.  If you're going to grind up grains, you should probably make a cake.  Whole grains are the best because all the moisture you need is right in the grain.  No muss, no fuss.



Ahh right, husk for rice, bran for grain. The benefits of talking with a pro! Great advice, Thank you!

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3 pints doesn't seem like enough spawn for a mono.  Have you checked out PastyWhyte's mini mono tek?  I think you need at least a quart per mini mono, but I could be wrong there.
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I've seen people run their cakes through a cheese grater when spawning to bulk, but I've never personally done it.



I was debating just SGFCing these suckers anyway. I'll poke about with the search function! PastyWyte, ha, I'll check him/her out. Grating sounds like contam city; I was planning to just kinda crumble them with my hands... Now that I think of it, I don't have a glove box. I should probably just leave them as cakes and work on my grain skills for now.

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Weak coffee is great for soaking with because it helps speed up colonization.  You don't want to use a lot or else it might slow down growth.  I've seen people add spent grounds to coir and stuff, but a lot of the time it seems to end in contams and misery.  Just a lot more trouble than its worth.



That's the kind of risks I'm worried about. For the first one, I wanna keep it idiot proof, so weak coffee/water sounds like the way to go. Interesting that too much coffe harms colonization. I guess it's a universal stimulant? heh

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You might run into issues finding info on using barley because its kind of obscure here.  Most folks seem to use rye or grass seeds. 

There was an article around here somewhere where a guy wanted to use spent barley from making beer.



It's definitely time to do some searches on beer, grain & grain teks. I'll check out some other mycology websites while I'm at it, too. Who knows, maybe I'll have something new to contribute in that area some day? :shrug: Sounds fun!

Thank you ShroomerInTheRye, it's always a pleasure chatting with you!


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Re: Going to try grain jars, had some questions. [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22242564 - 09/15/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You probably really don't need to worry about a still air box unless you're getting into prints or agar.  You seem intelligent, so I highly suggest you give agar a shot.  Again, my albino friend PastyWhyte came up with Pasty Plates (aka - agar for morons).

Good luck and report back with what happens!  Remember...all roads lead back to the Shroomery.


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Re: Going to try grain jars, had some questions. [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22242603 - 09/15/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Giftofdeprivation said:
And I have a couple REALLY dumb, noob questions, I'm, sure :lol::
A lot of teks use rye berry, birdseed, grass seed and other things. I'm just on my way to a local homebrew store today and was wondering if I could use their dried, bulk stored malts/grains. Is there issue with getting the cheap, two row malt? Also, I'm guessing they're pretty fucked, contam-wise. Is the typical PC treatment going to do the trick?

Finally, if you have any advice/links for a PF caking, noob, I'm am always grateful!

Thank you for being part of the community and thank you for looking into my little window, here!



if you go to the brewers store there's no grain that really will work well. they'll only have things that are malted, flaked, torrified, rolled, etc.. nothing they have is just the plain grain with husk. they're all treated with heat or some other method. unmalted barley is still roasted anywhere from lightly to darkly.


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Re: Going to try grain jars, had some questions. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22243119 - 09/15/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:frown:

Balls.


Lol, back to the drawing board. Maybe I'll malt them myself? There's gotta be an efficient way.

We must do research!


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Re: Going to try grain jars, had some questions. [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #22243128 - 09/15/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't see any issues with 2 row as long as the hull is on the grain.  You probably want to soak the grain in a coffee/water mix.  PCing at 15 psi for 90 minutes should kill just about anything.

Are you currently doing cakes?




This is good advice but I say ditch the coffee and go for 120 minutes for your first time with grains.


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Re: Going to try grain jars, had some questions. [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #22243136 - 09/15/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you for the advice, it is always appreciated.

That said, I don't see how soaking in coffee pre-boil would increase risk of contams...

Is that what you are getting at, or am I mistaken?


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Re: Going to try grain jars, had some questions. [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22243163 - 09/15/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I see what he's saying and he's not wrong.  Maybe your first time out with grains, you should just try it plain so you can get a feel for everything.

My first time with grains, I used waaaaayyyy too much coffee.  Nothing grew in the jars except slime and they smelled like cheese scraped from the scrotum of satan.


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Re: Going to try grain jars, had some questions. [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #22243227 - 09/15/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The safer you play your first time with grains the higher your success rates go up. Keep it simple. If you don't know what simple is, ask us.

Every grain has it's own ideal moisture content and preperation method. Malt is not nearly as well documented as wild bird seed on this site.

Are you really limited to malt? Is there no health food store that sells whole rye berries?  You can go with malt but the use in mushroom growing is not super-well-documented on this site.

To succeed in grains you need three things.

1) A Good lid-filter-combo.
2) A well prepped grain
3) Quick, Smooth hands that have rehearsed the moves of sterile technique.

Gonna link you some good technique vids in a second.


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First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber

The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it :shrug:

Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger!
No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit.

"The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT

Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates)

Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen

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Re: Going to try grain jars, had some questions. [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #22243251 - 09/15/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The video that inspired me and showed me the potential of mycelium.

www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17218710


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First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber

The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it :shrug:

Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger!
No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit.

"The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT

Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates)

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Re: Going to try grain jars, had some questions. [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #22243255 - 09/15/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Gonna link you some good technique vids in a second.



YES PLEASE, THANK YOU!!!

I have access to the stuff, I just really want to use grains because I brew a lot and it'd be awefully convenient.

You guys are absolutely right though, I need to perfect the basics, then branch out and experiment. I'll try WBS, then once I have that down to a science, I can experiment with malts and stuff.


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Re: Going to try grain jars, had some questions. [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22243375 - 09/15/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber

The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it :shrug:

Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger!
No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit.

"The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT

Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates)

Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen

Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson

EZEKIEL 23:20


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Re: Going to try grain jars, had some questions. [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #22243404 - 09/15/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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ShroomerInTheRye said:
Nothing grew in the jars except slime and they smelled like cheese scraped from the scrotum of satan.



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