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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: Asante] 1
#22241584 - 09/15/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nobody said it would be cheap. Also, is there some practical way to produce anywhere near reasonable amounts of tritium and deuterium that doesn't rely on the use of fission reactors? This looks like a special purpose thing for badass planes and ships and the like. I strongly doubt it'll get any public use for a long time even if it works like they think it will.
And yes, Lockheed is one of those government defense contractors that gets ridiculous amounts of money for stuff we don't get to know about. The stuff they designed in the 1980s is still impressively scary. They're on my list of things not to poke with a stick.
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
#22241616 - 09/15/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I see no breakthrough, just hype obviously in pursuit of deep pockets to fund it in hopes of actually creating something. Stories like this come out every few years. Ho hum.
Fusion would be nice if we ever get it, same as quantum computers.
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: Asante]
#22241649 - 09/15/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thats frickin awesome Asante!
Ever since i heard about fusion power, ive been astounded by its design and how it works. Fusion is just so cool.
I guess they solve the problem. They were the fusion reactors too big, so they compacted them, and apparently solve the fusion reactor problem thats been around for ever.
Cant wait to see one actually develop in my lifetime!
The power of the Sun, on Earth! Amazing.
Next, Enterprise-style starships!
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#22241670 - 09/15/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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They're making it smaller for the purposes of their application, I think.
"Physics professor and director of the UK's national Fusion laboratory Steven Cowley called for more hard data, pointing out that the current thinking in fusion research is that "bigger is better". Other fusion reactors achieve 8 times improvement in heat confinement when machine size is doubled.[12]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_beta_fusion_reactor
EDIT: I should add that size is a big deal for things like ships and planes because it affects their radar/sonar profile. Smaller things are harder to detect, so a smaller badass power source would provide a significant military advantage, which is what lockheed martin is all about. This isn't the social advance you guys want it to be, unless you want the US military to be even bigger and badder-ass than it already is.
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
#22241840 - 09/15/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If they have patents on it, they should be able to tell us how it works or how it differs from previous designs. The fact they give no info at all tells me they not only have no prototype but are in early stages of research. Its like they figure if they went in a certain direction they might hit paydirt but haven't hit it yet.
They are looking for investors, you don't get them by saying "we are in the early stages but have high hopes", that brings no cash. You say things like "it will fit on a truck, its 7' x 10'" as though it was built already. That generates excitement.
The other give away is the 10 years timeline. No one can predict what will happen in 10 years. That is pure speculation. Don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but over inflated hype is the rule, not the exception now days. Some day we might have it, maybe.
Would it be a good thing though? Or would stupid humans chop down all the forests that remain, kill off the rest of the species, and produce even more pollution and greenhouse gas? If you can desalinate water, you can make deserts bloom, put cities in the middle of the ocean, do lots of things. Done wisely it would be good but people have a history of doing the stupidest things rather than the wisest. If you can make a buck being stupid, lots of people will be doing just that.
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: Asante]
#22241853 - 09/15/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm doubtful
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: Stonehenge]
#22241857 - 09/15/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have no fucking idea what you are babbling about.
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: zappaisgod]
#22241861 - 09/15/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Of course you don't. We are talking about science, not beer drinking or pounding nails. Its way over your head.
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: Stonehenge]
#22241902 - 09/15/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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These guys usually don't rely on public investments. I'm not sure how they raise funds internally, but I'm guessing they already did at least some very rough prototyping or proof of concept type stuff, and it does look like they're hyping up their plan for a prototype, which probably is for the purpose of generating funding or future sales. Black science like this suffers because it's not open to the scientific community like it should be, but it has the benefit of having lots of funding (thanks American tax dollars). Still if it does pan out, it still looks like it would be far more expensive than nuclear power, since it relies on nuclear reactors to produce most of it's fuel.
EDIT: On another note, we already have a really bad-ass fusion reactor that's powered by gravity, and it's freely available to the public, and we waste most of it's power. If you look strait up at around noon, you'll see it.
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: Stonehenge]
#22241920 - 09/15/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why would we need to chop down more trees, produce more pollution and greenhouse gases if we have fusion? Do you have even the slightest clue? Fusion is our savior. Sadly I don't quite believe this article any more than with Pons and Fleischman. We need fusion or we will be in caves in a few centuries.
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
#22241924 - 09/15/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lockheed gets a shit ton of government money
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: zappaisgod]
#22241958 - 09/15/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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>Why would we need to chop down more trees...
I never said that. You start right off with a strawman
>produce more pollution and greenhouse gases if we have fusion?
We don't have it and we have no idea how much pollution it will produce. However, humans living in dense cities produce mega tons of pollution in the form of garbage, sewage, co2, etc. The factories and farms that produce what we need also produce pollution.
>Fusion is our savior.
Talk about being clueless... You try to tell us what fusion will be like when not even the scientists know the answers let alone a knuckle dragging nail pounder. Do you believe everything you are told? Sounds like it.
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: zappaisgod]
#22241977 - 09/15/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Lockheed gets a shit ton of government money
They like to sell their shit to the government to make even more money too though. The defense contractor business is sweet with corruption and excesses of cash.
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zappaisgod said: Why would we need to chop down more trees, produce more pollution and greenhouse gases if we have fusion? Do you have even the slightest clue? Fusion is our savior. Sadly I don't quite believe this article any more than with Pons and Fleischman. We need fusion or we will be in caves in a few centuries.
We need to start using some kind of renewable energy source, and small fusion reactors is probably not the best or most viable idea. A reactor that relies on purified tritium and Deuterium is absolutely not renewable. That stuff gets produced by bombing water with neutrons that are produced in a nuclear reactor, so it any fusion that depends on those isotopes is also going to depend on the availability of isotopes used in fission reactor. This is all about making warships smaller (and probably considerably more expensive). It's not about making a power source for humanity at large.
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: Mr.GuessWork] 1
#22241998 - 09/15/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am still laughing at "i will bump in 10 years".
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: Stonehenge]
#22242237 - 09/15/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: They are looking for investors, you don't get them by saying "we are in the early stages but have high hopes", that brings no cash. You say things like "it will fit on a truck, its 7' x 10'" as though it was built already. That generates excitement.
Lockheed is looking for investors?
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The other give away is the 10 years timeline. No one can predict what will happen in 10 years. That is pure speculation. Don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but over inflated hype is the rule, not the exception now days. Some day we might have it, maybe.
A surprisingly apt statement
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Would it be a good thing though? Or would stupid humans chop down all the forests that remain, kill off the rest of the species, and produce even more pollution and greenhouse gas?
wait, what? this statement has nothing to do with fusion
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If you can desalinate water, you can make deserts bloom, put cities in the middle of the ocean, do lots of things.
yes, nearly infinite energy from reliable fusion would allow for widespread desalination.
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We don't have it and we have no idea how much pollution it will produce.
yes we do, and we have good knowledge of the pollution produced. Fusion has been accomplished for decades.(though not with a net energy gain)
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You try to tell us what fusion will be like when not even the scientists know the answers let alone a knuckle dragging nail pounder.
again, scientists do, in fact, know the answers. At least about the pollution created etc. if you are talking about socioeconomic answers, then you are correct, nobody actually knows what will happen to society if (nearly)unlimited cheap energy became available to the masses.
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: ballsalsa]
#22242312 - 09/15/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice that you know all the answers, bal. 
Producing the material for the fusion reactor itself produces pollution in the form of radioactive wastes.
>scientists do, in fact, know the answers.
Do they now? If that were true we would have practical fusion reactors instead of just hype about how in 10 years maybe we will have them.
Asante I can understand, he gets carried away a lot. But people need to be a little more skeptical.
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: koods]
#22242333 - 09/15/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Lockheeds HQ is about a mile from where I live. They are kinda scary. Black masked dudes with machine guns.

Zero trust for any "defense contractor". Also keep in mind the 50-100 year rule. This isn't "new" technology. This is just tech they are willing to let us see and get all giddy about thinking it's some brand new breakthrough.
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: Mescalean]
#22242440 - 09/15/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can't even imagine the things that they are working on behind those closed gates. It would be naive to assume that they tell the public about any immediate breakthroughs. It's all controlled.
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: lillFish]
#22242463 - 09/15/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's been controlled for a while now. It's not as uncommon as you think. Apple does it. Marketing of obsoletion.
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Re: in 10 years Lockheed produces a 100 MW Fusion Power Plant that fits on the back of a truck [Re: lillFish] 1
#22242485 - 09/15/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damn, it's like people just can't find a way to break the habit of disagreeing with you, Stonehenge. They'd rather believe these spooks are philanthropists than acknowledge that you have a point.
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