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Technically I did use the word compliance, but it was to point out that forced compliance isn't good or desirable and that my argument was against the idea of it. For you to frame my words as being a slave to society and "compliance" is exactly opposite what I actually said unless you have some further clarity to offer.
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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: Rahz]
#28507043 - 10/16/23 03:33 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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no I guess we are out of conflict about that the myth of the real man is not worth chasing. but it does make sense to have a reasonable sheriff in town.
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I guess so. But I wonder why there was conflict to begin with. Was my text unclear or is there some other issue that would cause such a misunderstanding?
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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: Rahz]
#28507252 - 10/16/23 06:12 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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I guess it was the effort to make sense from a nonsensical topic. At no time in the life of this thread did I think that it should be taken seriously, especially as some participants (not you) were atavistic about it.
Like a biker gang is composed of ratified real men, each of whom has raped and or committed some other crime.
Aside from that, the idea is not about a real person, but rather a sexually supreme member that the opposite sex finds perfect or most real.
Taking this idea into a real responsible person in a real society context, is a completely different tangent. I approached that with the echo of free will and messed up your theory, sorry.
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All good. I guess the point I would make is that while it's true a subjective phrase like real man means different things to different people and we are free to judge those things (in essence dismissing the various concepts of a "real man") we are also free to form our own opinions on the matter, and it's potentially true that among various opinions you may find some more agreeable than others.
What does it mean to be a "quality person"? Despite the various opinions isn't that the gist of them all, that there are certain qualities a person has to be deemed "real" or a "real man (or woman)"?
To me a majority of what it means has nothing to do with gender connotation but rather those qualities that are generally considered to have matured through the disillusion of childishness.
I think a "real man" covers all the basics of being a quality person. Additional qualifiers like physical strength, wealth, or even a desire or willingness to be a leader in some way doesn't make a person more "real". And whatever qualities are considered should apply equally to men and women.
It's not infringing on the liberty of others which could have emotional and social connotations that go beyond consideration of law. This comprehensive view of respecting liberty is what I consider a "real" person/man.
I should note that I don't use the phrase myself as I find it a little hokey but there are various connotations within it's utterances and some I find more agreeable than others, but generally people use it to invoke sarcasm and poke fun at others in more or less friendly ways rather than wax philosophical about what makes them or someone else so awesome.
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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: Rahz]
#28507650 - 10/17/23 01:32 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Does a real man make plans for a date?
And if so, when..
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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: sudly]
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"Making plans for a date" isn't within the scope of my definition (being a quality person via respecting the liberty of others). I actually addressed this question in the post you replied to, but to be clear polarity and leadership can be desirable qualities but doesn't factor in to what I consider a quality person.
That being the case, a lot of girls like when the guy takes care of everything, potentially after her input has been asked for. And if a guy is waiting around for the girl to make plans that might not go like he's hoping so taking some initiative is probably a good idea. Some girls are more bossy than others. Girls who are bossy/assertive with most people may still want their SO to take charge in such matters. And bossy girls often desire a guy who will tell her what to do in a sexual context, if you want to take the polarity/leadership to a sexual level. There are of course exceptions to everything. It's more about finding someone compatible than a particular way of being.
I'm not sure why you ask about timing. You would need to provide more context.
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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: Rahz]
#28508209 - 10/17/23 02:07 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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If they are referring to a tall, strong, successful alpha male, well they are unlikely to be on a dating site unless it is targeting a niche audience. Most men and women on dating sites are likely to be bravo and charlie males and females.
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Write anything stupid. I mean, seriously dumb it down. With a current face pic and contact info.
What you are trying to do is like overthinking the script to a porn video.
Also, idealizing a common, bodily function, that you think you can't have at any price.
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When I was 20 I spent a lot of time with a woman who was about 9 years older. She liked me. We'd have fun making out. At one point she said she didn't want to have a romantic relationship with me because I wasn't "centered". She told me this. Over the years I've pondered what that word means - in this context (female preference and sexual selection). What is "centered" exactly?
I believe many women see a centered man as high value. I think such a man lacks chronic fear (some call this self-confidence), is comfortable with himself, and is not needy (needy symptoms = being demanding, clingy, annoying, and fragile). A high value man doesn't do much complaining, if at all. Also, a high value man chooses not to engage in a lot of anxiety, anger, and depression.
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A high value man probably isn't a scared crybaby who complains constantly about "black privilege"
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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
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A high value man doesn't apologize for living on "stolen land"
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a high value man has more than 10 million dollars
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A high value man knows wealth is not a fat wallet.
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very thin wallets are more lovely - it's true
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RJ Tubs 202 said: When I was 20 I spent a lot of time with a woman who was about 9 years older. She liked me. We'd have fun making out. At one point she said she didn't want to have a romantic relationship with me because I wasn't "centered". She told me this. Over the years I've pondered what that word means - in this context (female preference and sexual selection). What is "centered" exactly?
I believe many women see a centered man as high value. I think such a man lacks chronic fear (some call this self-confidence), is comfortable with himself, and is not needy (needy symptoms = being demanding, clingy, annoying, and fragile). A high value man doesn't do much complaining, if at all. Also, a high value man chooses not to engage in a lot of anxiety, anger, and depression.
Her shit testing had devolved into some version of mfk.
But, she was playing with kid gloves, since you're still here talking to us.

Being used is further than most of the incels will ever get.
Someone reading is going to be jealous that you got to (gross) base.
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A real man would know what MFK means . . .
I had to look it up
The socially-acceptable acronym for a game teenagers play called Marry-Fuck-Kill. When given a choice of three names, the players must decide who they would prefer to marry, fuck or kill.
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brutality
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A real men gets up from an ego death experience, lets kitty in and gives it kibbles before returning to complete the Death Experience and transcend in time to let kitty out again.
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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: Asante]
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that is true, real men always seem to have time for a little pussy
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