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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: sudly] 1
#28585287 - 12/16/23 11:55 AM (1 month, 13 days ago) |
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GenesisCorrupted
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TheStallionMang said:
Also you didn't respond to the most important part of my post. What do YOU see as things women contribute aside from making babies? Or did you intentionally avoid that part? I feel a little like I may as well have asked you to tell me what a woman is without using the word woman
I hold the opposite view of what you’re claiming I said. Women are capable of anything a man is. With very few exceptions. I don’t like somebody telling women to not pursue leadership positions because they’re women. That sounds sexist and misogynist to me.
They can contribute art, thoughts, labor, leadership, pretty much anything could be contributed by them, because they are human beings. All human beings contribute. I don’t like hearing the,” but they can’t do this”discussion. I think you may have misinterpreted my initial comment.
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I wear my short legs a bit longer, but not saggin, and don't listen that kind of music.

I'll use a housecat for a less-controversial example of manhood. The younger strays followed an elder tom around, as it buried it's poop, climbed fences and trees, and hunted small varmints. I have never once seen them get into a fight with eachother, except in a spirit of play.
Some of you professional victims getting triggered by me are actually being told different places and situations to avoid or how to game the system, at times.
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Cats have huge fights for dominance. The only reason all the other cats weren’t fighting with that tomcat. Is because they don’t think they can win. If they do think they can win. They will challenge him to a fight. It works that way in every pack based society.
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Do you think that liberalism can win?
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can the Zohan catch fish?
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I believe that what is usually called communism comes in two phases, demoralization and normalization.
Under normalization, they do not tolerate colorful change agents.
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GenesisCorrupted said: Cats have huge fights for dominance. The only reason all the other cats weren’t fighting with that tomcat. Is because they don’t think they can win. If they do think they can win. They will challenge him to a fight. It works that way in every pack based society.

cats aren't pack based.
some ideas abot wolves and 'alpha males' turn out to be myth,
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The idea that wolf packs are led by a merciless dictator is pervasive, lending itself to a shorthand for a kind of dominant masculinity.
But it turns out that this is a myth, and in recent years wildlife biologists have largely dropped the term “alpha.” In the wild, researchers have found that most wolf packs are simply families, led by a breeding pair, and bloody duels for supremacy are rare.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-alpha-wolf-idea-a-myth/#:~:text=But%20it%20turns%20out%20that,duels%20for%20supremacy%20are%20rare.
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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: Freedom]
#28585595 - 12/16/23 04:01 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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here's a fact sheet on feline social structure. no dominance hierarchy, and when cats hang out in groups its usually the mom and her kids.
https://www.ed.ac.uk/sites/default/files/atoms/files/1._understanding_feline_social_structure.pdf
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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: Freedom]
#28585600 - 12/16/23 04:04 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Whatever you wanna call a group of cats. There is an alpha. I have seen an alpha cat establishe dominance over an unsuspecting other cat. Just to prove that they are still the boss. Multi cat apartments have catfights.
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In the wild, researchers have found that most wolf packs are simply families, led by a breeding pair, and bloody duels for supremacy are rare.
What is the effect upon families, and packs, and polities, in which some outside force continually breaks up the breeding pair or dynamic of leadership.
We are being brought to chaos if losing our most primal means of organizing.
There is an option of protectionism that does not seize emergency powers, that is not in the intent of creeping tyranny, not a matter of degrading the members of your own in-group.
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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: Freedom]
#28585668 - 12/16/23 04:52 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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A stray cat is the fault of people. Their behavior is very strange... female cats will try to have sex with a human being. Dolphins do this. Dogs do it. I had a female cat who was not fixed... it was so utterly annoying it made me want to punt her like the patriots at the Superbowl. She would constantly spin around backwards and get in the most annoying looking position ever with her tail swishing and her butt in the air. I swear even the look in her eyes was different. And you could tell the affection she wanted was really complete mania and that made it even more annoying. But anyway. Negligence creates stray animals. We made them look like that and behave like that. Spay and neuter domesticated pets unless you're a breeder or know how to train. I hate to see stray animals.
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GenesisCorrupted said: Whatever you wanna call a group of cats. There is an alpha. I have seen an alpha cat establishe dominance over an unsuspecting other cat. Just to prove that they are still the boss. Multi cat apartments have catfights.
My cat chased off almost every cat that was unfortunate enough to venture into the yard. He resented my other cat.
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OrgoneConclusion said: I have not yet jumped back in the dating pool, but some 5-10% of females on dating websites such as Match.com state that they would like a "real" man.
First off they must also want a telepathic man that can determine their specific qualities for such.
If they are referring to a tall, strong, successful alpha male, well they are unlikely to be on a dating site unless it is targeting a niche audience. Most men and women on dating sites are likely to be bravo and charlie males and females.
Women also want a man unafraid to show his feelings, but real men don't show their feelings, but they are awesome with a six gun.

Also real men don't take any shit from their women.

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GenesisCorrupted said: Whatever you wanna call a group of cats. There is an alpha. I have seen an alpha cat establishe dominance over an unsuspecting other cat. Just to prove that they are still the boss. Multi cat apartments have catfights.
cats aren't confined to houses in the wild, they tend to be solitary in the wild, although sometimes the children hang out with the mom
i think the ideas about the alpha wolf were projection of insecure men
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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: Rahz] 1
#28585726 - 12/16/23 05:47 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Rahz said:
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GenesisCorrupted said: Whatever you wanna call a group of cats. There is an alpha. I have seen an alpha cat establishe dominance over an unsuspecting other cat. Just to prove that they are still the boss. Multi cat apartments have catfights.
My cat chased off almost every cat that was unfortunate enough to venture into the yard. He resented my other cat.
I think most animals, including humans are territorial and will tend to see strangers as threats. they will defend their territory instinctually, but this isn't a dominance heirarchy thing, its a stay off my land thing
edit: maybe not most animals. many animals, im not sure on the percentages. well at least a bunch of animals.
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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: Freedom] 1
#28585729 - 12/16/23 05:48 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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with humans the land can be our concept of ourself or the world, so when people threaten it we can go on the attack
politicians use this to manipulate people
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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: Blue_Lux] 1
#28585846 - 12/16/23 06:39 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Blue_Lux said: A stray cat is the fault of people. Their behavior is very strange... female cats will try to have sex with a human being. Dolphins do this. Dogs do it. I had a female cat who was not fixed... it was so utterly annoying it made me want to punt her like the patriots at the Superbowl. She would constantly spin around backwards and get in the most annoying looking position ever with her tail swishing and her butt in the air. I swear even the look in her eyes was different. And you could tell the affection she wanted was really complete mania and that made it even more annoying. But anyway. Negligence creates stray animals. We made them look like that and behave like that. Spay and neuter domesticated pets unless you're a breeder or know how to train. I hate to see stray animals.
I think the same can occur to neglected humans
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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: Freedom] 1
#28585858 - 12/16/23 06:43 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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Are we talking about Bullies - alpha males, because some life forms have evolved that way.
In other instances pairs couple for life, and in others lone individuals find each other by scent when they need to. The mating scene for giant Australian cuttlefish (Sepia apama) is rife with fighting and deception. Small males often scoop their much larger counterparts by pretending to be female themselves, which allows the runts to get closer to females of reproductive age.
So bullying isn't the only way for male success, and deception also isn't the only way, but some people still seem to act like moose and cuttlefish.
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Re: What is a "real" man? [Re: loladoreen]
#28585872 - 12/16/23 06:49 PM (1 month, 12 days ago) |
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maybe you can specify for me what you mean by 'the same'
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