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The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it 1
#22239059 - 09/14/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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In our society, we are making great leaps with the acceptance of transgender people. I personally have met a few trans people in my life and actually got to touch the tits of one over the shirt (they were fake) and it was an enjoyable experience.
However, would you be comfortable having a sexual relationship with a transgender despite what other people might think?
I think the whole trans thing is one of the whole parts of sexuality I don't completely understand. When you see a transgender person do you pass any judgments or are you completely open minded and accepting? I think I am open minded and accepting but would not consider a full blown relationship unless the person was really down to earth and cool. What about you?
Discuss.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22239066 - 09/14/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh you..
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22239070 - 09/14/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Nobler Hino] 2
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I'm sure I'm as prejudiced as the next person, although I don't try to be. Let's be honest here: prejudice is inherent to the human mind and it takes conscious control and conditioning to lose it. Having said that, I believe that transgender people are just people and in essence no different than you or me. They have their own struggles, but so have many people. Nevertheless, I would not consider a sexual relationship with a Transgender. I'm 100% straight and the thought of my woman having been physically a man previously is off putting to me. The social stigma has little or nothing to do with this, it's purely a physical thing. Obviously, I would have no issues associating with Transgenders and I'd be interested in what they want to share about their situation, but wouldn't treat them differently than any of my other friends.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: koraks]
#22239659 - 09/15/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I say do whatever you want. But just know that nature is a cruel mistress and she gets the second to last word.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22239669 - 09/15/15 03:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My buddy went to Thailand like four times in one year. Everyone started whispering that they thought he was there for child sex tourism. So he just came out and admitted he's going to see his ladyboy GF. I'm just glad he's not pedophile. If he likes chicks with dicks that's cool by me. Some of them are pretty hot. I don't care what other people think, I would insist on an STD test though as trannies have AIDS in epidemic numbers.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: my3rdeye]
#22239697 - 09/15/15 04:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My ex gf was trams. Could give a duck less. The only thing I don't like is I have to walk by her house every day and it bums me out as we broke up over the stupidest most pointless shit
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Enjoywho]
#22239706 - 09/15/15 04:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My dad is incredibly homophobic. I told him to go fuck himself when he tried to say something rude as fuck.
All my good friends And family I told. She was a cool ass chick and fuck do I miss her cooking.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Enjoywho]
#22239712 - 09/15/15 04:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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But no I was never ashamed. I honestly miss her we had so much fun this Summer. But what ya gonna do. Just wish I didn't have to walk by her house every day lives like 3 blocks away. Bums me out.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22239728 - 09/15/15 04:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can't really explain my answer without coming off as a condescending asshole. It basically boils down to if they were truly a 10/10 and I couldn't tell they used to be a dude, it wouldn't really bother me. I'm not attracted to females because their chromosomes. So if that is all that set them apart, I don't imagine it'd really bother me.
In a general sense, I don't even have a problem with trans people, I only have a problem with those who have to constantly throw it in everyone's face, and that's not even about the trans part. I hate vegans/vegetarians for the same exact reason.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Shroomslip]
#22239994 - 09/15/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mine still had the Dick. Pretty much feminine in every Single aspect of the word. Obviously had been transitioning for a while. I thought she was beautiful the way she was. She was always talking about the surgeries she was going to have done.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Enjoywho] 2
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we will be fucking robots soon is this really an issue the brave lil toaster bout to take this dick
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: shroominated]
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: JvF]
#22240709 - 09/15/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you were transsexual and still had the dick that would suck if you got an accidently semi or full boner in public.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22241137 - 09/15/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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all the trans people i know are pretty chill people
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Achillita]
#22241191 - 09/15/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trans people have to overcome a lot that's for sure. They probs are really down to earth.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22241208 - 09/15/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: In our society, we are making great leaps with the acceptance of transgender people. I personally have met a few trans people in my life and actually got to touch the tits of one over the shirt (they were fake) and it was an enjoyable experience.
However, would you be comfortable having a sexual relationship with a transgender despite what other people might think?
I think the whole trans thing is one of the whole parts of sexuality I don't completely understand. When you see a transgender person do you pass any judgments or are you completely open minded and accepting? I think I am open minded and accepting but would not consider a full blown relationship unless the person was really down to earth and cool. What about you?
Discuss.
I'm shocked you support this. Most people that are so controlling with in their beliefs towards drugs, also ar strict in other areas such as this. How would you feel if I said being a "trans-gender" should be illegal in this nation?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Enjoywho] 1
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Enjoywho said: My ex gf was trams. Could give a duck less. The only thing I don't like is I have to walk by her house every day and it bums me out as we broke up over the stupidest most pointless shit
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Enjoywho said: My dad is incredibly homophobic. I told him to go fuck himself when he tried to say something rude as fuck.
All my good friends And family I told. She was a cool ass chick and fuck do I miss her cooking.
I have a lot of respect for your openness about this.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Bitter Cactus said: In our society, we are making great leaps with the acceptance of transgender people. I personally have met a few trans people in my life and actually got to touch the tits of one over the shirt (they were fake) and it was an enjoyable experience.
However, would you be comfortable having a sexual relationship with a transgender despite what other people might think?
I think the whole trans thing is one of the whole parts of sexuality I don't completely understand. When you see a transgender person do you pass any judgments or are you completely open minded and accepting? I think I am open minded and accepting but would not consider a full blown relationship unless the person was really down to earth and cool. What about you?
Discuss.
I'm shocked you support this. Most people that are so controlling with in their beliefs towards drugs, also ar strict in other areas such as this. How would you feel if I said being a "trans-gender" should be illegal in this nation?
Transgenders are not hurting people.
Drugs hurt people, and making one's that are already tough to find be more accessible is counter intuitive to me.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22241330 - 09/15/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know what to think about trans-gendered people. Sure, in your head you're the other sex, but physically, you're still who you are. You can have surgery and swallow countess pills to transform your body, but in the end, you are who you are.
But then again, when I say that, I'm considered close-minded...
Personally I would never be able to date a trans-gendered person. Too weird for me.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Patlal]
#22241344 - 09/15/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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For those interestes
A video of a surgery to male to female.
Warning. very graphic. It's surgery.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Bitter Cactus said: In our society, we are making great leaps with the acceptance of transgender people. I personally have met a few trans people in my life and actually got to touch the tits of one over the shirt (they were fake) and it was an enjoyable experience.
However, would you be comfortable having a sexual relationship with a transgender despite what other people might think?
I think the whole trans thing is one of the whole parts of sexuality I don't completely understand. When you see a transgender person do you pass any judgments or are you completely open minded and accepting? I think I am open minded and accepting but would not consider a full blown relationship unless the person was really down to earth and cool. What about you?
Discuss.
I'm shocked you support this. Most people that are so controlling with in their beliefs towards drugs, also ar strict in other areas such as this. How would you feel if I said being a "trans-gender" should be illegal in this nation?
Transgenders are not hurting people.
Drugs hurt people, and making one's that are already tough to find be more accessible is counter intuitive to me.
Nope your wrong. Drugs do not hurt people. People hurt people. People hurt them selves. You sound just like the people who support taking away our rights to own guns. "Guns kill people!". Uh no they don't People kill people.
BTW Transgenders do hurt people.. they are people!
Don't believe me? Why don't you go check out a prison. Interview them! They will let you know.

Check it out.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Patlal]
#22241441 - 09/15/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: For those interestes
A video of a surgery to male to female.
Warning. very graphic. It's surgery.
Who the hell thought of this in the first place, thats insane. I would NOT have wqnted to be the test dummy for this procedure
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22241506 - 09/15/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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336 said: Don't feed the anti-drug argument Wong. It will derail this entire thread. lol
Good, fuck this thread. Regardless, transgenders hurt people! Every one is so happy with their rainbow covered pictures until their in a cell in prison!
No then they don't support the gays and transgenders. Nah then their scared of the gays and the transgenders. Their scared of getting fucked in the ass!
The gay people in prisons fuck the others right in the ass- rape. Every one supports the homosexual lifestyle until they are forced to confront them in a environment such as prison.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22241520 - 09/15/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: I don't know what to think about trans-gendered people. Sure, in your head you're the other sex, but physically, you're still who you are. You can have surgery and swallow countess pills to transform your body, but in the end, you are who you are.
But then again, when I say that, I'm considered close-minded...
Personally I would never be able to date a trans-gendered person. Too weird for me.
All depends on your philosophy. If you're an atheist then all their is is the body. But if you believe in people having spirits then the body is just a vehicle; just a car for us to drive around in.
If you believe in spirits, some spirits are more "masculine/aggressive" and others are more "feminine/passive" and sometimes it would seem that some spirits end up in the wrong physical equivalent. If you believe in that kind of thing that is.
I personally can't wait till we are all just downloaded into machines. Get rid of gender altogether. That shit just divides us.
Gender doesn't divide us, I enjoy being a man and females enjoy being a woman, it's called the human experience.
The only time it divides us is when some sexist idiot whines about something not being fair, nothing about life is "fair".
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: JvF]
#22241531 - 09/15/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've spent a lot of time around several people in various stages of transition. I fully support them aiming to match up their body with how they feel in their mind. I'm not sure how I would feel if I were approached for a relationship by a trans man. Honestly, it's true what they say: "It's easier to dig a hole than build a pole." I don't say this to be hurtful, but rather with the consideration in mind that sexual stimulus could be difficult for both parties. I do enjoy having trans individuals as friends, however; it gives insight into a whole other set of life challenges that I'll never have to deal with.
Trans stigma is something I hope to see fade with time. We certainly are making great strides, to the point where if someone were to mention that they had transitioned, many people would just pause and go, "Ah, interesting. As I was saying, though..." I think that's the goal: to make gender and sexual minorities so commonplace that no one bats an eye, and "coming out" as one of these identities doesn't have to be so stressful on the individual.
@Wong: Getting raped in the ass isn't the same thing as homosexuality. You don't have to be attracted to your cellmate for him to put his dick in your butt. You just have to have a loud mouth and a bad attitude.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: r.lutece]
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I do hear going from girl to guy is really hard and the new penis they make is not as large as a normal penis.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: koraks]
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koraks said: I'm sure I'm as prejudiced as the next person, although I don't try to be. Let's be honest here: prejudice is inherent to the human mind and it takes conscious control and conditioning to lose it. Having said that, I believe that transgender people are just people and in essence no different than you or me. They have their own struggles, but so have many people. Nevertheless, I would not consider a sexual relationship with a Transgender. I'm 100% straight and the thought of my woman having been physically a man previously is off putting to me. The social stigma has little or nothing to do with this, it's purely a physical thing. Obviously, I would have no issues associating with Transgenders and I'd be interested in what they want to share about their situation, but wouldn't treat them differently than any of my other friends.
Pretty much this exactly. I'm not going to pretend I'm 100% at ease with the whole concept, but generally I try to treat people with respect. I've hung out with transgendered people on a couple of occasions and I have been known to slip up on the pronouns when drunk and have to correct myself. Honestly in my own mind I don't truly think of them as being the gender they identify as, but I don't want to address them in a way that would be hurtful.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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336 said: I support Nazi's! I'm a Neo-Nazi and if I had my way we would live in a Utopia cleansed from all homosexuality.
Have you ever even been to prison? Have you ever had to fight off some homosexual trying to get some?
I have nothing against Homosexuals however I am against rape! I'm also against trolls like bitter cactus who is some one who more than likely uses two shroomery accounts.
I'm not sure why you would imply that you support rape.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: psi]
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psi said: I'm not going to pretend I'm 100% at ease with the whole concept, but generally I try to treat people with respect. I've hung out with transgendered people on a couple of occasions and I have been known to slip up on the pronouns when drunk and have to correct myself. Honestly in my own mind I don't truly think of them as being the gender they identify as, but I don't want to address them in a way that would be hurtful.
This is an amazingly appropriate response to a transgendered person, quite honestly. Respecting someone is the most important thing, and I've never met a trans person who was furious if someone slipped up on pronouns. They understand it's not always an easy thing to remember, and the fact that you correct yourself is really more important than anything. You respect their desire to be someone else, and that's...that's pretty cool, man.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Dr.Wongburger said: Have you ever even been to prison? Have you ever had to fight off some homosexual trying to get some? Have you had to bite down on the pillow as a massive cock tears apart your asshole!? Have you!? I ASKED YOU A QUESTION 336! HAVE YOU EVER HAD A 6'5" BLACK MAN NIBBLE ON YOUR EAR AS HE POUNDED YOUR ASSHOLE INTO OBLIVION!?
Sorry, I can't say I have.

I'm glad you are taking this with ease!
The Nazi's of the past where always more of the stickler types. Unfortunately for them they lost the war and the Jew's of today are still very powerful and wealthy. Long live the Jews!
That's something that you admit to support rape (or atleast it seem's maybe you should clarify). Not even denying it. Have you consensually committed to sexual relations with another man? Your so detailed you sound like your speaking from experience. I do remember you were posting about possibly being bisexual.
I would not normal ask about ones personal preferences but your so detailed.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Reality -
"Almost everyone hates a snitch... but this is not drugs, or a fight, or even a bank robbery... this is the inhuman rape, torture, and killing of individuals... thousands every year whom are little boys and girls. If you explore the deep web and you find one of these sites, report it!"
They also have "redroom" style video feeds where you pay money in bitcoins to have some one raped the way you would like.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: r.lutece]
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Bitter Cactus made this thread.


Does that ring a bell to any one?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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oh wait.. maybe it's
That fucking goof up...
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Does it matter? BC proposed a legitimate discussion that engaged people.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: r.lutece]
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I'm not bothered by it. Did the thread jacking discourage you to continue discussion of the topic? Maybe it threw you off course?
I did not think any one was stopping you from staying on topic. My original postings are in relation to the topic.
I have two post's in this thread that are off the topic of trans genders other than if you count my responses towards you about bitter cactus.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Ah, so your ranting about homosexuals raping people in prison was on-topic then?
Between you and 336, the topic has been completely derailed. If anyone was still talking about it, we're not doing it here.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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transsexuals=prison rape?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: I don't know what to think about trans-gendered people. Sure, in your head you're the other sex, but physically, you're still who you are. You can have surgery and swallow countess pills to transform your body, but in the end, you are who you are.
But then again, when I say that, I'm considered close-minded...
I think you have the same perspective a lot of people have and it comes from a place of ignorance (and I'm not saying that in an offensive way at all, btw). Transgendered people are actually physically different than those of us who are cis-gendered. It has to do with some complex neurodevelopmental stuff but basically certain areas of their brains are structured in a way that resembles the opposite sex, despite their genitalia disagreeing with that. That's where all the identity confusion comes from.
Growing from a non-gendered fetus into a fully gendered baby happens in two parts: the genitalia and the brain. Both are guided primarily by hormones but different factors can impact both parts. They've done studies where physically female rats were exposed in-utero to male hormones and so they exhibited male behaviors (ex. mounting and preference for female rats) despite having female sex organs.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: r.lutece]
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r.lutece said: Ah, so your ranting about homosexuals raping people in prison was on-topic then?
Between you and 336, the topic has been completely derailed. If anyone was still talking about it, we're not doing it here.
Open your eyeballs 
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Bitter Cactus said: In our society, we are making great leaps with the acceptance of transgender people. I personally have met a few trans people in my life and actually got to touch the tits of one over the shirt (they were fake) and it was an enjoyable experience.
However, would you be comfortable having a sexual relationship with a transgender despite what other people might think?
I think the whole trans thing is one of the whole parts of sexuality I don't completely understand. When you see a transgender person do you pass any judgments or are you completely open minded and accepting? I think I am open minded and accepting but would not consider a full blown relationship unless the person was really down to earth and cool. What about you?
Discuss.
I'm shocked you support this. Most people that are so controlling with in their beliefs towards drugs, also ar strict in other areas such as this. How would you feel if I said being a "trans-gender" should be illegal in this nation?
Transgenders are not hurting people.
Drugs hurt people, and making one's that are already tough to find be more accessible is counter intuitive to me.
Nope your wrong. Drugs do not hurt people. People hurt people. People hurt them selves. You sound just like the people who support taking away our rights to own guns. "Guns kill people!". Uh no they don't People kill people.
BTW Transgenders do hurt people.. they are people!
Don't believe me? Why don't you go check out a prison. Interview them! They will let you know.

Check it out.
Trans-genders in prison and their involvements with rape. On topic. You dont like how we feel about transgenders in prisons?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Salomon]
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transsexuals=prison rape?
You have never heard of any one being raped so much to where they become/ or have the tendency to change into a trans sexual? Sometimes these things happen to people by physiological and come about because of their experiences.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Just FYI. You're fucking waaaaaay off bro. Homosexuals and transgenders aren't the same thing.
Really? Why would you assume a trans-gender has to be the one committing the rape? Some people develop the mentality of a transgender then later on in life get a sex change.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Just FYI. You're fucking waaaaaay off bro. Homosexuals and transgenders aren't the same thing.
I'm pretty sure most prison rapists are not homosexual either. Rape is about power more than it's about sex.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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transsexuals=prison rape?
You have never heard of any one being raped so much to where they become/ or have the tendency to change into a trans sexual? Sometimes these things happen to people by physiological and come about because of their experiences.

So you're blaming the ones being raped? wtf Wong? You're making zero sense right now.
You need to open your eye balls to. Read my post. Have you ever heard of a person being raped so many times that they become a bitch and change their gender? More clear?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: koods]
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Just FYI. You're fucking waaaaaay off bro. Homosexuals and transgenders aren't the same thing.
I'm pretty sure most prison rapists are not homosexual either. Rape is about power more than it's about sex.
How are you sure of this? Where are your sources? I don't think you can prove me wrong but if I am that's good to know.
I guess I was just going by that study you were in support of the other day that says being aroused by sexual male stimuli makes you gay
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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I'm sorry, discussing the actions of prisoners of any orientation, trans or no, is not the same as discussing trans people. I can think of one example of a trans person raping another individual. You can be as thick-headed as you like about the topic but the fact of the matter is that they are the victims of sexual assault FAR more frequently than they are the perpetrators. You're not stating your feelings about trans people; you're stating erroneous facts.
And for the record, no. Transgendered people do not become that way because they were repeatedly raped. That's not how being transgendered works.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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That's not what the study was about. Being aroused by male sexual stimuli is the definition of being gay... It doesn't make you gay.
This thread is about transgendered people, not about prison rape. Make your own thread to discuss your groundbreaking sociological theories.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Just FYI. You're fucking waaaaaay off bro. Homosexuals and transgenders aren't the same thing.
BTW many religious people will tell you that's just your opinion. Once some one (a male for example) gets a sex change, by religious people they are still considered Male on the inside- thus still looked at as a Man.
That's why people hold the view that they are still homosexuals. I suppose if they were truly female no normal straight male which is the majority more common than homosexual males would not have a problem with having a relationship/dating transgenders right? What's the problem here? Are they still being looked as a man? This is usually the case.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: r.lutece]
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r.lutece said: I'm sorry, discussing the actions of prisoners of any orientation, trans or no, is not the same as discussing trans people. I can think of one example of a trans person raping another individual. You can be as thick-headed as you like about the topic but the fact of the matter is that they are the victims of sexual assault FAR more frequently than they are the perpetrators. You're not stating your feelings about trans people; you're stating erroneous facts.
And for the record, no. Transgendered people do not become that way because they were repeatedly raped. That's not how being transgendered works.
I'm still not sure why your holding the assumption that I think transgenders primarily rape people in prisons (Even tho im SURE it happens, the world is filled with motherfuckers!)? Why don't you try using the quote function on me. It will help.
So holding erroneous facts leading towards like or dislike towards transgenders is not displaying emotion? Maybe you got me on that one, I'm not to sure. Does it sound like I dislike or like transgenders? Is liking or disliking something a display of emotion?
I have personally been friends with a person who has been raped repetitively growing up (he was a manger of mine where I used to work), because of that he learned to like the same sex and became a homosexual. You are telling me a homosexual man cannot develop the want to be a women? Some of them extensively disregard their gentiles.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Dr.Wongburger said: You need to open your eye balls to. Read my post. Have you ever heard of a person being raped so many times that they become a bitch and change their gender? More clear? BTW many religious people will tell you that's just your opinion. Once some one (a male for example) gets a sex change, by religious people they are still considered Male on the inside- thus still looked at as a Man.
That's why people hold the view that they are still homosexuals. I suppose if they were truly female no normal straight male which is the majority more common than homosexual males would not have a problem with having a relationship/dating transgenders right? What's the problem here? Are they still being looked as a man? This is usually the case.

Let me provoke you to a response. "Yea that's what I thought. I empty mind with nothing to say!".
Come on man. It's not every day we get to talk about homosexuals and transgenders.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: koods]
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koods said: That's not what the study was about. Being aroused by male sexual stimuli is the definition of being gay... It doesn't make you gay.
This thread is about transgendered people, not about prison rape. Make your own thread to discuss your groundbreaking sociological theories.
Communication threw text can some times be misleading. I did mean it "makes" you gay. Not as of meaning it is what transforms a person into being gay. I mean you are gay if the male sexual stimuli gets you aroused, according to the article.
People becoming a transgender due to prison rape is very viable towards the discussion of topic. If you as a MOD under the authority of a MOD tell's me to stop I will obey your authority.
If a transgender however came on here and claimed they become that way due to rape in prison, you would not consider that on topic?
If I say "I feel rape in prison has lead people to become transsexuals, and it angers me that people do such horrible things", thats not on topic?
Purely prison rape with no involvement of transgenders or feelings is obviously off topic. However my postings are in relations towards transgenders.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Dr.Wongburger said: You need to open your eye balls to. Read my post. Have you ever heard of a person being raped so many times that they become a bitch and change their gender? More clear? BTW many religious people will tell you that's just your opinion. Once some one (a male for example) gets a sex change, by religious people they are still considered Male on the inside- thus still looked at as a Man.
That's why people hold the view that they are still homosexuals. I suppose if they were truly female no normal straight male which is the majority more common than homosexual males would not have a problem with having a relationship/dating transgenders right? What's the problem here? Are they still being looked as a man? This is usually the case.

Let me provoke you to a response. "Yea that's what I thought. I empty mind with nothing to say!".
Come on man. It's not every day we get to talk about homosexuals and transgenders. 



Your DNA dictates whether you are male or female. If you are born male your dna does not "transition" too, so guess what, you are still genetically a dude, no matter how much you fantasize about being a woman.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Mescalean]
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OP: Everyones beautiful in rope

Yep, I know that & that's the reality i'll have to cope with, isn't it (bitch)
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Mescalean]
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Your DNA dictates whether you are male or female. If you are born male your dna does not "transition" too, so guess what, you are still genetically a dude, no matter how much you fantasize about being a woman.
Has anyone brought up the brain chemistry imbalance issue yet? Always a good one.
What do ya know! Some one understands what I have said. Make sure you mention "feelings" and mention the word "transgender" so it's considered on topic. "transition" might not cut it.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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This thread is about transgendered people, not about prison rape. Make your own thread to discuss your groundbreaking sociological theories.
Communication threw text can some times be misleading. I did mean it "makes" you gay. Not as of meaning it is what transforms a person into being gay. I mean you are gay if the male sexual stimuli gets you aroused, according to the article.
People becoming a transgender due to prison rape is very viable towards the discussion of topic. If you as a MOD under the authority of a MOD tell's me to stop I will obey your authority.
If a transgender however came on here and claimed they become that way due to rape in prison, you would not consider that on topic?
If I say "I feel rape in prison has lead people to become transsexuals, and it angers me that people do such horrible things", thats not on topic?
Purely prison rape with no involvement of transgenders or feelings is obviously off topic. However my postings are in relations towards transgenders.
Can you provide any kind of legitimate research that shows that prison rape causes people to become transgendered?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Patlal said: I don't know what to think about trans-gendered people. Sure, in your head you're the other sex, but physically, you're still who you are. You can have surgery and swallow countess pills to transform your body, but in the end, you are who you are.
But then again, when I say that, I'm considered close-minded...
Personally I would never be able to date a trans-gendered person. Too weird for me.
HRT not being sufficient, science lacking in knowledge of the bigger picture & pharmacology/chemistry of hormones, genes, modulators, hormonal makeup, brainwiring, etc. is certainly an issue.
Indeed, you are who you are :3
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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So really truly transitioning into a real woman is just about as real as lets sayyyyy.... Noahs ark?
So even if you get your dick mutilated and feed yourself estrogen by the shit ton you are still, in reality, a man
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Mescalean]
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ok shall I kiss your booboo now?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Mescalean]
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Can you provide any kind of legitimate research that shows that prison rape causes people to become transgendered?
I can not provide you any thing thats prison rape specific that will lead some one to desire a sex change as a direct source.
However one that gets a sex change they do it because of desire. Or any one that wants it.
I think some one can learn to be gay threw conformity, and then learn to want to be a girl.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformity
http://www.queerty.com/fem-guys-treated-like-royalty-and-other-shocking-revelations-from-a-gay-inmate-20141010
“If I’m a girl — and yes they call us girls in there…in prison, we are their wives…This is what they get, this is all they have. You know you have a lot of them who lie and say they have sex with the female guards, but not all of them can do that. You have more homosexuality than what you probably believe.”
"Also, trans women are called “titty girls” (even RuPaul won’t go near that word). “They’ve had operations, they’ve been taking hormones, so they have big booties…They’re treated like royalty.”
"Rape occurs, but not as often as it used to. Or it’s used as currency. If someone owes you something and can’t pay it back, you can “take their ass as payment.” (Yikes.)"
If some one cant afford to pay a person back, they can get raped. If that happens multiple times they may want to consider becoming a Trans. That would sound appealing to many people. Conformity can cause these people to change.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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This is a complicated and touchy topic.
I've dated a transwoman, post op. We had a fun relationship, but she sped through the process, so it felt like dating a man. She didn't live like a woman for a year. She just up and went to Thailand, then Chicago for facial surgery, so she never got the softness that most women get.
For me, personally, it's all about how you feel inside, not so much the genitals, but then again, I can't imagine dating someone without boobs. Dear God, how I love boobs.
Sometimes, I wonder if more people are transgender than they're willing to admit. Like, when I go to the bar and see a chick with a short hair cut, a wallet with a chain, and a Harley, it makes me wonder, "Do you really want to be a man?"
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22242716 - 09/15/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That fucking goof up...
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
#22242721 - 09/15/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here is another question that will spark discussion.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22242793 - 09/15/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mescalean said:
Your DNA dictates whether you are male or female. If you are born male your dna does not "transition" too, so guess what, you are still genetically a dude, no matter how much you fantasize about being a woman.
Has anyone brought up the brain chemistry imbalance issue yet? Always a good one.
What do ya know! Some one understands what I have said. Make sure you mention "feelings" and mention the word "transgender" so it's considered on topic. "transition" might not cut it. 
You guys think wether you have a dick or not determines someone's gender identity. It does not. Gender is more than a function of the sexual organs, it is also a hardwired property of the brain. When the brain and sex organs are not the same gender, people do not feel that their bodies are appropriate for the gender with which they identify.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: koods]
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I really don't have an opinion either way.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: koods]
#22242816 - 09/15/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does the brain chemistry of a transgendered person(without hormone therapy) differ from that of their true sex?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: JvF]
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There's a lot of questions about that, but we seem to know less about our own brains than Mars.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: JvF]
#22242899 - 09/15/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I seem to remember reading that being the case. Let me see if I can make it back to a computer and find legit info rather than just my saying so.
EDIT: Here we go, jfischer218:
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Antonio Guillamon‘s team at the National University of Distance Education in Madrid, Spain, think they have found a better way to spot a transsexual brain. In a study due to be published next month, the team ran MRI scans on the brains of 18 female-to-male transsexual people who’d had no treatment and compared them with those of 24 males and 19 females.
They found significant differences between male and female brains in four regions of white matter – and the female-to-male transsexual people had white matter in these regions that resembled a male brain (Journal of Psychiatric Research, DOI: 10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.05.006). “It’s the first time it has been shown that the brains of female-to-male transsexual people are masculinised,” Guillamon says.
In a separate study, the team used the same technique to compare white matter in 18 male-to-female transsexual people with that in 19 males and 19 females. Surprisingly, in each transsexual person’s brain the structure of the white matter in the four regions was halfway between that of the males and females (Journal of Psychiatric Research, DOI: 10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.11.007). “Their brains are not completely masculinised and not completely feminised, but they still feel female,” says Guillamon.
Guillamon isn’t sure whether the four regions are at all associated with notions of gender, but Ivanka Savic-Berglund at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden, thinks they might be. One of the four regions – the superior longitudinal fascicle – is particularly interesting, she says. “It connects the parietal lobe [involved in sensory processing] and frontal lobe [involved in planning movement] and may have implications in body perception.”
Most of the data is there, but the rest of the article can be read here.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: koods]
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All my good friends And family I told. She was a cool ass chick and fuck do I miss her cooking.
I have a lot of respect for your openness about this.
She was a cool pass person and I miss her. Fucking dumb we couldn't stop fighting over the dumbest shit.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: JvF]
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jfischer218 said: Does the brain chemistry of a transgendered person(without hormone therapy) differ from that of their true sex?
Yes
neurologic, psychologic, sociologic, hormonal makeup, heredity, intelligence, sexuality, identity, behavioral science/genetics, up to chemistry ... lol whatever keep looking, you'll never find it
I like how I can do what I want since you know i'm an adult
haterz gone hate
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Beanhead]
#22243951 - 09/15/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its kind of hard to understand how someone would feel being born in the sex but I do know that the kind of surgery and hormones and people judging that person. It's not something someone does without not being able to live in there current body
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Syd Barrett]
#22243961 - 09/15/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't understand how the orgasm stuff works. I would be terrified to lose my dick and have something that doesn't work like the real thing. How the fuck do you even transform a penis into a lubricated pussy that orgasms like a real one.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22243986 - 09/15/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Once you go for tje shitty present day surgery, it becomes a mental disorder. Not that you shouldn't ba able too, but it definitely is some sort of disfunction when you need a surgery to feel complete.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22243995 - 09/15/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have this problem where I get boners all the time for no good reason... Man, that'd be a hundred times more awkward than it already is if I was dressed....in a dress.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Oeric McKenna]
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Just talking to a semi attractive chick I sometimes have to do my best to not get a boner lol
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22244016 - 09/15/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I drive power equipment at work &...all that bouncing...just sets it off I try to think of things that turn me off but it's tough sometimes
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22244027 - 09/15/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Definitely an advantage of being a female. Nothing to give away the fact that you have every intention of tapping that.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: r.lutece]
#22244114 - 09/16/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aside from totally obvious body language?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Most I've met are very chill and down to earth. I wouldn't mind dating one.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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i'm never having kids so i don't have to worry about the bullshit, loaded poll question. as for what other people do....
WHATEVA
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: resonant111]
#22245179 - 09/16/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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my mind automatically is disturbed when i walk by one but in reality idgaf
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22245232 - 09/16/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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No I would not date one. They are still the gender they were born with to me. Sorry but no amount of self mutilation :COUGH: I mean surgery or make up will change that.
I don't hate them, I will be respectful to them and treat them like a human but no I will not in my heart play make believe and think they are the opposite gender
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Almond Flour]
#22245238 - 09/16/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Almond Flour said: No I would not date one. They are still the gender they were born with to me. Sorry but no amount of self mutilation :COUGH: I mean surgery or make up will change that.
I don't hate them, I will be respectful to them and treat them like a human but no I will not in my heart play make believe and think they are the opposite gender
So you like it when your chicks still have a dick?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: koods]
#22245244 - 09/16/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Almond Flour said: No I would not date one. They are still the gender they were born with to me. Sorry but no amount of self mutilation :COUGH: I mean surgery or make up will change that.
I don't hate them, I will be respectful to them and treat them like a human but no I will not in my heart play make believe and think they are the opposite gender
So you like it when your chicks still have a dick?
They aren't chicks, sorry
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: koods]
#22245252 - 09/16/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That would make it a guy. Gender is not this lose concept you can alter at will. There's masculine and feminine behaviour but if it's got/had a dick it is indeed a guy and nothing will ever change that.
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When I was 15 I FELT like I was black (had a pretty hard wiggER phase ), was I black?
When I was 17 I felt like a true shaman! Was I a shaman?
When I was 18 I was told I was a felon...Was I REALLY a hardened criminal?
When I was 12 I felt like a pro basketball player....was I headed to the NBA?
When I was 4 and played Make believe I felt like I owned a eating establishment when I brought food back to the forts I made.....Did I own one?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#22245279 - 09/16/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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some would say gender is a lose concept
men have nipples and we start out without the y or some shit
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: thelanzii]
#22245331 - 09/16/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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We currently lack the ability to alter the sex of chromosomes, meaning gender is in literally every single cell of your body. You can act masculine or feminine but that's really not the same thing as altering gender.
Oh BTW I identify as an ah-64 apache attack helicopter.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22245524 - 09/16/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Almond Flour said: When I was 15 I FELT like I was black (had a pretty hard wiggER phase ), was I black?
When I was 17 I felt like a true shaman! Was I a shaman?
When I was 18 I was told I was a felon...Was I REALLY a hardened criminal?
When I was 12 I felt like a pro basketball player....was I headed to the NBA?
When I was 4 and played Make believe I felt like I owned a eating establishment when I brought food back to the forts I made.....Did I own one?
I have to say this may have been the best post of yours that I've read.

With a 1 month register date, just you wait.....I post pure gold
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22245589 - 09/16/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would not let them date a trans till the age of 18. After that point that is their mistake.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: The Doobie Dude]
#22245590 - 09/16/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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As a father I would be protective over my children and do not think I would be comfortable with it.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22245594 - 09/16/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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but once they turn 18 they are an adult and can make their own mistakes
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22245600 - 09/16/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just curious...why would you feel uncomfortable about it?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
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If I told someone I was a tree they would think I am crazy. But once it takes on a sexual nature allllll of a sudden I am close minded and I am the wrong one. Suicide rates are the same for pre op and post op trans. It is not the surgery they want or need it is medicine. With the suicide rates being so high i would feel they would bring my child down with them or emotionally rock them to the core
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: The Doobie Dude]
#22245614 - 09/16/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I do believe that scientifically a transgender person is their original gender but surgically created genitals.
In spirit though, people are just people and I am respectful and open minded about it and over time I think every one will learn more about this phenomenon and we will all be more open to it.
That would be terrifying to lose a perfectly working dick for them to drill a hole in you though and make a pussy. That does take a lot of courage and I commend people for taking that risk to find happiness.
I would be uncomfortable with my boy dating a transgender honestly just because of the stigma and all the unknowns about it. I wouldn't care if he is gay and likes a dick up his ass but the transgender thing is still somewhat taboo.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: The Doobie Dude]
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Why wouldn't you trust them to be strong enough to make their own decisions and stand by them?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
#22245620 - 09/16/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why risk it?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
#22245633 - 09/16/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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ShroomerInTheRye said: Why wouldn't you trust them to be strong enough to make their own decisions and stand by them?
I would get around to it eventually but initially I would just want my kid to date a normal girl and have kids with her. Call me traditional but it is what it is. 
I would probably get around to him dating a transgender person eventually, but it would take time getting used to.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: The Doobie Dude]
#22245634 - 09/16/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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For the chance of meeting that person you can grow old with and fart around. Not everyone gets to meet that person.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
#22245644 - 09/16/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Listen guys I am trying to be open and honest about my feelings. This whole transgender thing takes time to understand and I still don't even get it yet.
It is a learning process for everyone IMO.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
#22245645 - 09/16/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Humans are not monogamist creatures. There are 7 billion people in this world find a different one
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
#22245771 - 09/16/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't judge. however I don't want to be tricked into fucking a dude in the ass.
if I get a blowjob from a transsexual I would rather just not know that they weren't a woman
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