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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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transsexuals=prison rape?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Patlal]
#22242162 - 09/15/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: I don't know what to think about trans-gendered people. Sure, in your head you're the other sex, but physically, you're still who you are. You can have surgery and swallow countess pills to transform your body, but in the end, you are who you are.
But then again, when I say that, I'm considered close-minded...
I think you have the same perspective a lot of people have and it comes from a place of ignorance (and I'm not saying that in an offensive way at all, btw). Transgendered people are actually physically different than those of us who are cis-gendered. It has to do with some complex neurodevelopmental stuff but basically certain areas of their brains are structured in a way that resembles the opposite sex, despite their genitalia disagreeing with that. That's where all the identity confusion comes from.
Growing from a non-gendered fetus into a fully gendered baby happens in two parts: the genitalia and the brain. Both are guided primarily by hormones but different factors can impact both parts. They've done studies where physically female rats were exposed in-utero to male hormones and so they exhibited male behaviors (ex. mounting and preference for female rats) despite having female sex organs.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: r.lutece]
#22242169 - 09/15/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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r.lutece said: Ah, so your ranting about homosexuals raping people in prison was on-topic then?
Between you and 336, the topic has been completely derailed. If anyone was still talking about it, we're not doing it here.
Open your eyeballs 
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Bitter Cactus said: In our society, we are making great leaps with the acceptance of transgender people. I personally have met a few trans people in my life and actually got to touch the tits of one over the shirt (they were fake) and it was an enjoyable experience.
However, would you be comfortable having a sexual relationship with a transgender despite what other people might think?
I think the whole trans thing is one of the whole parts of sexuality I don't completely understand. When you see a transgender person do you pass any judgments or are you completely open minded and accepting? I think I am open minded and accepting but would not consider a full blown relationship unless the person was really down to earth and cool. What about you?
Discuss.
I'm shocked you support this. Most people that are so controlling with in their beliefs towards drugs, also ar strict in other areas such as this. How would you feel if I said being a "trans-gender" should be illegal in this nation?
Transgenders are not hurting people.
Drugs hurt people, and making one's that are already tough to find be more accessible is counter intuitive to me.
Nope your wrong. Drugs do not hurt people. People hurt people. People hurt them selves. You sound just like the people who support taking away our rights to own guns. "Guns kill people!". Uh no they don't People kill people.
BTW Transgenders do hurt people.. they are people!
Don't believe me? Why don't you go check out a prison. Interview them! They will let you know.

Check it out.
Trans-genders in prison and their involvements with rape. On topic. You dont like how we feel about transgenders in prisons?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Salomon]
#22242201 - 09/15/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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transsexuals=prison rape?
You have never heard of any one being raped so much to where they become/ or have the tendency to change into a trans sexual? Sometimes these things happen to people by physiological and come about because of their experiences.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22242217 - 09/15/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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336 said: Hey Wong, I'm pretty sure most of the raping done in prison isn't by transgenders. I don't think you realize what the word transgender means. In fact it is the transgenders (those who display or "convert" from male to female in this case) in prison that get fucked by other men.
Just FYI. You're fucking waaaaaay off bro. Homosexuals and transgenders aren't the same thing.
Really? Why would you assume a trans-gender has to be the one committing the rape? Some people develop the mentality of a transgender then later on in life get a sex change.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22242222 - 09/15/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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336 said: Hey Wong, I'm pretty sure most of the raping done in prison isn't by transgenders. I don't think you realize what the word transgender means. In fact it is the transgenders (those who display or "convert" from male to female in this case) in prison that get fucked by other men.
Just FYI. You're fucking waaaaaay off bro. Homosexuals and transgenders aren't the same thing.
I'm pretty sure most prison rapists are not homosexual either. Rape is about power more than it's about sex.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22242223 - 09/15/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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transsexuals=prison rape?
You have never heard of any one being raped so much to where they become/ or have the tendency to change into a trans sexual? Sometimes these things happen to people by physiological and come about because of their experiences.

So you're blaming the ones being raped? wtf Wong? You're making zero sense right now.
You need to open your eye balls to. Read my post. Have you ever heard of a person being raped so many times that they become a bitch and change their gender? More clear?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Dr.Wongburger] 1
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: koods]
#22242246 - 09/15/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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336 said: Hey Wong, I'm pretty sure most of the raping done in prison isn't by transgenders. I don't think you realize what the word transgender means. In fact it is the transgenders (those who display or "convert" from male to female in this case) in prison that get fucked by other men.
Just FYI. You're fucking waaaaaay off bro. Homosexuals and transgenders aren't the same thing.
I'm pretty sure most prison rapists are not homosexual either. Rape is about power more than it's about sex.
How are you sure of this? Where are your sources? I don't think you can prove me wrong but if I am that's good to know.
I guess I was just going by that study you were in support of the other day that says being aroused by sexual male stimuli makes you gay
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22242261 - 09/15/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm sorry, discussing the actions of prisoners of any orientation, trans or no, is not the same as discussing trans people. I can think of one example of a trans person raping another individual. You can be as thick-headed as you like about the topic but the fact of the matter is that they are the victims of sexual assault FAR more frequently than they are the perpetrators. You're not stating your feelings about trans people; you're stating erroneous facts.
And for the record, no. Transgendered people do not become that way because they were repeatedly raped. That's not how being transgendered works.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22242273 - 09/15/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's not what the study was about. Being aroused by male sexual stimuli is the definition of being gay... It doesn't make you gay.
This thread is about transgendered people, not about prison rape. Make your own thread to discuss your groundbreaking sociological theories.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22242296 - 09/15/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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336 said: Hey Wong, I'm pretty sure most of the raping done in prison isn't by transgenders. I don't think you realize what the word transgender means. In fact it is the transgenders (those who display or "convert" from male to female in this case) in prison that get fucked by other men.
Just FYI. You're fucking waaaaaay off bro. Homosexuals and transgenders aren't the same thing.
BTW many religious people will tell you that's just your opinion. Once some one (a male for example) gets a sex change, by religious people they are still considered Male on the inside- thus still looked at as a Man.
That's why people hold the view that they are still homosexuals. I suppose if they were truly female no normal straight male which is the majority more common than homosexual males would not have a problem with having a relationship/dating transgenders right? What's the problem here? Are they still being looked as a man? This is usually the case.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: r.lutece]
#22242340 - 09/15/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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r.lutece said: I'm sorry, discussing the actions of prisoners of any orientation, trans or no, is not the same as discussing trans people. I can think of one example of a trans person raping another individual. You can be as thick-headed as you like about the topic but the fact of the matter is that they are the victims of sexual assault FAR more frequently than they are the perpetrators. You're not stating your feelings about trans people; you're stating erroneous facts.
And for the record, no. Transgendered people do not become that way because they were repeatedly raped. That's not how being transgendered works.
I'm still not sure why your holding the assumption that I think transgenders primarily rape people in prisons (Even tho im SURE it happens, the world is filled with motherfuckers!)? Why don't you try using the quote function on me. It will help.
So holding erroneous facts leading towards like or dislike towards transgenders is not displaying emotion? Maybe you got me on that one, I'm not to sure. Does it sound like I dislike or like transgenders? Is liking or disliking something a display of emotion?
I have personally been friends with a person who has been raped repetitively growing up (he was a manger of mine where I used to work), because of that he learned to like the same sex and became a homosexual. You are telling me a homosexual man cannot develop the want to be a women? Some of them extensively disregard their gentiles.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22242347 - 09/15/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dr.Wongburger said: You need to open your eye balls to. Read my post. Have you ever heard of a person being raped so many times that they become a bitch and change their gender? More clear? BTW many religious people will tell you that's just your opinion. Once some one (a male for example) gets a sex change, by religious people they are still considered Male on the inside- thus still looked at as a Man.
That's why people hold the view that they are still homosexuals. I suppose if they were truly female no normal straight male which is the majority more common than homosexual males would not have a problem with having a relationship/dating transgenders right? What's the problem here? Are they still being looked as a man? This is usually the case.

Let me provoke you to a response. "Yea that's what I thought. I empty mind with nothing to say!".
Come on man. It's not every day we get to talk about homosexuals and transgenders.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: koods]
#22242383 - 09/15/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: That's not what the study was about. Being aroused by male sexual stimuli is the definition of being gay... It doesn't make you gay.
This thread is about transgendered people, not about prison rape. Make your own thread to discuss your groundbreaking sociological theories.
Communication threw text can some times be misleading. I did mean it "makes" you gay. Not as of meaning it is what transforms a person into being gay. I mean you are gay if the male sexual stimuli gets you aroused, according to the article.
People becoming a transgender due to prison rape is very viable towards the discussion of topic. If you as a MOD under the authority of a MOD tell's me to stop I will obey your authority.
If a transgender however came on here and claimed they become that way due to rape in prison, you would not consider that on topic?
If I say "I feel rape in prison has lead people to become transsexuals, and it angers me that people do such horrible things", thats not on topic?
Purely prison rape with no involvement of transgenders or feelings is obviously off topic. However my postings are in relations towards transgenders.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22242393 - 09/15/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dr.Wongburger said: You need to open your eye balls to. Read my post. Have you ever heard of a person being raped so many times that they become a bitch and change their gender? More clear? BTW many religious people will tell you that's just your opinion. Once some one (a male for example) gets a sex change, by religious people they are still considered Male on the inside- thus still looked at as a Man.
That's why people hold the view that they are still homosexuals. I suppose if they were truly female no normal straight male which is the majority more common than homosexual males would not have a problem with having a relationship/dating transgenders right? What's the problem here? Are they still being looked as a man? This is usually the case.

Let me provoke you to a response. "Yea that's what I thought. I empty mind with nothing to say!".
Come on man. It's not every day we get to talk about homosexuals and transgenders. 



Your DNA dictates whether you are male or female. If you are born male your dna does not "transition" too, so guess what, you are still genetically a dude, no matter how much you fantasize about being a woman.
Has anyone brought up the brain chemistry imbalance issue yet? Always a good one.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Mescalean]
#22242417 - 09/15/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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OP: Everyones beautiful in rope

Yep, I know that & that's the reality i'll have to cope with, isn't it (bitch)
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Mescalean]
#22242421 - 09/15/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your DNA dictates whether you are male or female. If you are born male your dna does not "transition" too, so guess what, you are still genetically a dude, no matter how much you fantasize about being a woman.
Has anyone brought up the brain chemistry imbalance issue yet? Always a good one.
What do ya know! Some one understands what I have said. Make sure you mention "feelings" and mention the word "transgender" so it's considered on topic. "transition" might not cut it.
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22242427 - 09/15/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: That's not what the study was about. Being aroused by male sexual stimuli is the definition of being gay... It doesn't make you gay.
This thread is about transgendered people, not about prison rape. Make your own thread to discuss your groundbreaking sociological theories.
Communication threw text can some times be misleading. I did mean it "makes" you gay. Not as of meaning it is what transforms a person into being gay. I mean you are gay if the male sexual stimuli gets you aroused, according to the article.
People becoming a transgender due to prison rape is very viable towards the discussion of topic. If you as a MOD under the authority of a MOD tell's me to stop I will obey your authority.
If a transgender however came on here and claimed they become that way due to rape in prison, you would not consider that on topic?
If I say "I feel rape in prison has lead people to become transsexuals, and it angers me that people do such horrible things", thats not on topic?
Purely prison rape with no involvement of transgenders or feelings is obviously off topic. However my postings are in relations towards transgenders.
Can you provide any kind of legitimate research that shows that prison rape causes people to become transgendered?
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Re: The stigma about transgender people and how you feel about it [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22242518 - 09/15/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: I don't know what to think about trans-gendered people. Sure, in your head you're the other sex, but physically, you're still who you are. You can have surgery and swallow countess pills to transform your body, but in the end, you are who you are.
But then again, when I say that, I'm considered close-minded...
Personally I would never be able to date a trans-gendered person. Too weird for me.
HRT not being sufficient, science lacking in knowledge of the bigger picture & pharmacology/chemistry of hormones, genes, modulators, hormonal makeup, brainwiring, etc. is certainly an issue.
Indeed, you are who you are :3
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