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Help ID several species found on hike please
    #22238967 - 09/14/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I took my kid on a hike through the woods around my property a few days ago and ran across several species of wild mushrooms. I went back today and got pics of the undersides of all but one that I couldn't find again.

On another note, could any one tell me where I could find a list of edibles in my area with ID help preferably. I'm really new with this and I seem to be having a hard time with the small differences some of them have. I found the list of actives in my area, but even google searches just came up with a bunch of peoples top ten favs lists.

Anyway, here's the ones I've ran across lately. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

#1



Habitat:
Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc.

Top of creek bank on roots. Southern piedmont NC, USA

Gills:
Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc.

N/A

Stem:
Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.

3-4", light brown,

Cap:
Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.

1 1/2-2", brown, soft, convex

Spore print color:
Very important!

N/A

Bruising:
Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.

None noticed

Other information:
Scent of the mushroom, anything else you think is important, large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.

I hadn't read the info needed my first time out and couldn't find these again today.

#2





Habitat:
Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc.

Dried creek bed in a spot where leaves and sticks gather after a rain. Southern piedmont NC, USA

Gills:
Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc.

Blackish, pores

Stem:
Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.

None, growing fan shaped right out of leaf pile

Cap:
Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.

5-6", blackish, woody, fan shaped

Spore print color:
Very important!

Didn't collect

Bruising:
Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.

None

Other information:
Scent of the mushroom, anything else you think is important, large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.

#3 I think is the same as above






Habitat:
Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc.

Side of log, I'm not good with tree ID so not sure what kind.

Gills:
Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc.

Blackish with brown outer band, pores

Stem:
Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.

None

Cap:
Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.

4-5", blackish, woody, fan shaped

Spore print color:
Very important!

Didn't collect

Bruising:
Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.

None

Other information:
Scent of the mushroom, anything else you think is important, large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.

#4




Habitat:
Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc.

Woods on the leaf and twig covered ground.

Gills:
Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc.

White, none that I could see, looks like rough looking pores

Stem:
Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.

None noticed

Cap:
Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.

1 1/2", white, crispy but not woody, kind of like a stale potato chip crispy. Kind of flower shaped, not sure what to call it.

Spore print color:
Very important!

Either white or it was too dry to give me one, I used white paper.

Bruising:
Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.

None

Other information:
Scent of the mushroom, anything else you think is important, large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.

#5 Turkey tail I think





Habitat:
Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc.

Woods, dead tree, all of these are in southern piedmont NC USA in case I forget to say.

Gills:
Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc.

Brown, pores

Stem:
Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.

None

Cap:
Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.

1/2"-3" slightly crispy, but not woody, same as previous

Spore print color:
Very important!

White or too dry, white paper again

Bruising:
Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.

Other information:
Scent of the mushroom, anything else you think is important, large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.

#6 Reishi is the only thing I could find that looks close, but I'm probably wrong.





Habitat:
Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc.

Woods, side of a dying tree by the creek

Gills:
Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc.

White, pores

Stem:
Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.

1", 1/2" reddish, thick

Cap:
Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.

4", reddish, kinda chicken wing shaped

Spore print color:
Very important!

Didn't collect

Bruising:
Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.

Other information:
Scent of the mushroom, anything else you think is important, large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.

#7I'm starting to think these are liberty caps. there's so many different small ones around here that I don't have a clue with all the small details.





Habitat:
Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc.

Pile of cow manure in my backyard

Gills:
Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc.

Brownish

Stem:
Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.

1 1/2"-2", very thin, soft,light brown

Cap:
Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.

1/2", light brown fresh, dark brown now, soft fresh crispy now, conical/convex

Spore print color:
Very important!

Cool and weird to me, 2 purple spots and 2 brown spots opposite each other,it didn't give a normal round print just dots in like quadrants, it was 2 days after the rain tho and it's been dry around here. pic included tho its kinda blurry, you can still make out the colors

Bruising:
Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.

Other information:
Scent of the mushroom, anything else you think is important, large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.


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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: thebug76]
    #22240685 - 09/15/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, nobody's got anything huh? Or maybe I should have made seperate posts instead of putting them all in one place.


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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: thebug76]
    #22241512 - 09/15/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Your photos aren't that clear.

#1 looks like a Armillaria species.
#6 looks like a Ganoderma.


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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: Coen]
    #22241651 - 09/15/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ok thanks, most of them probably aren't going anywhere, I'll try to get some better pics. The first ones I couldn't find any more of tho, and the last ones I'll have to wait for the next rain probably, I have the dried specimans of it tho, only found 2 but cut both from the stem and made prints.


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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: thebug76]
    #22250601 - 09/17/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ok guys, I've been doing some research and heres what I think. Maybe some of you more experienced folk can give me your opinions on what I've found.

1. Armillaria
2. Cantharellus Subalbidus
3. Phellinus Rimosis
4. Same as #3
5. Stereum Ostrea
6. Ganoderma Lucidum
7. Psilocybe Semilanceata


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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: thebug76]
    #22250833 - 09/17/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

thebug76 said:
Ok guys, I've been doing some research and heres what I think. Maybe some of you more experienced folk can give me your opinions on what I've found.

1. Armillaria
2. Cantharellus Subalbidus
3. Phellinus Rimosis
4. Same as #3
5. Stereum Ostrea
6. Ganoderma Lucidum
7. Psilocybe Semilanceata




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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: relic]
    #22250871 - 09/17/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks relic, but just out of curiosity, why do you think I'm wrong on #7? It has a purple-brown spore print. The pic of the print is really zoomed in and blurry, but the colors are genuine.


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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: relic]
    #22250881 - 09/17/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

#3 and #5 are polypores ,well I'm pretty sure they are...they had a porous sponge like mass in place of gills no?  Trametes vesicolor ? Hapalopilus nidulans?  Polyporus alveolaris? Its hard to.say from the pictures...

Its very hard to tell from you pictures, most would be looking for a very clear picture of the cap, gills, and stem, and spore print.

(Though you may want to look into the coprophilic species, well I thought I saw a coprophilic species, which would be your best bet at an active.)


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    #22250886 - 09/17/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oh I did not see the list....my bad...

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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22250896 - 09/17/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

#7 is Deconica coprophila...well, that would be my guess.

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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22250902 - 09/17/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Actually I'm fairly sure #7 is Deconica coprophila.

What do you think?

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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22250946 - 09/17/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

# 6 is NOT Ganoderma lucidum. Rather it is Ganoderma curtisii.


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MrCloudys guide to North American GanodermaUpdated A rough guide to North American Ganoderma species, with an emphasis on the laccate species.


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    #22250951 - 09/17/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

From the pics I've found, the Coprophila has more of a convex, or rounded cap like these.

[url=https://files.shroomery.org/files/15-38/250735853-0917151218.jpg][/url



#7 on my list has more of a conical shape and lighter color. The pics of just the caps were after I printed them and they were dry.


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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: thebug76]
    #22250970 - 09/17/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I really appreciate everyones help. I am really new at this and I am trying to understand all these minute differences so I can run wild local specials in my restaraunt. I've also been researching other wild edible plants in my area. If anyone could point me toward a good field guide, that would be awesome. I'm in the southern piedmont NC region.


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    #22251094 - 09/17/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thoughts on number 7:

What color was the spore print?

I have actually seen psilocybe coprophilia that had a lighter color...



psilocybe coprophilia

http://www.mykoweb.com/CAF/species/Protostropharia_semiglobata.html
Stropharia semiglobata


There's also a coprophilic conocybe that looks similar, but I cant think of the Latin name...

Let me know if you figure it out...

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    #22251106 - 09/17/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wait...there's no ring....stropharia semiglobata is not a valid option...

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    #22251163 - 09/17/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

thebug76 said:
Thanks relic, but just out of curiosity, why do you think I'm wrong on #7? It has a purple-brown spore print. The pic of the print is really zoomed in and blurry, but the colors are genuine.




stem is wrong, habitat wrong, cap shape wrong, color wrong, p sure it's the wrong place in the world for them to be fruiting right now.

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    #22251178 - 09/17/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

if you're in southern NC and looking for actives look in cow fields, especially during very warm and humid/moist conditions...cube season might be fading there now/soon with the cool down and dryer weather.

i've found them in the past just over the border, about 20 miles into SC, in a previous life but not in the couple of times i've looked in NC.


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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: relic]
    #22251195 - 09/17/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Spore print was purple and brown, although it didn't drop very well, which I heard libs don't drop spores well at room temperature anyway. It was like 2 purple spots and 2 brown spots. It was growing on straight cow poo outside, which is what everything says they grow on, and it was 2 days after a rain during a cool spell right before fall. I mean, I'm not trying to argue with experience, but conditions sound pretty normal for libs to me avcording to my research.


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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: thebug76]
    #22251199 - 09/17/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not only looking for actives, those are for when me and the wife get lucky with a day off together, I'm looking mostly for edibles, but I need to learn more about specific identification methods.


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    #22251252 - 09/17/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Spore print was purple and brown, although it didn't drop very well, which I heard libs don't drop spores well at room temperature anyway. It was like 2 purple spots and 2 brown spots. It was growing on straight cow poo outside, which is what everything says they grow on, and it was 2 days after a rain during a cool spell right before fall. I mean, I'm not trying to argue with experience, but conditions sound pretty normal for libs to me avcording to my research.




Psilocybe semilanceata aka liberty caps habitat is grass, especially grass grazed by sheep and cows either currently or previously.

perhaps you're thinking Psilocybe cubensis and writing Ps. semilanceata?

frankly i couldn't even see that spore print and was going off of the pic next to the lighter...the main one that is semi in focus.

one of the best ways to learn is to do what you did in the first post but limit your ID requests to one or a couple per thread rather than 7 and **post clear pics**.

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    #22251282 - 09/17/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

also: look at the only liberty cap thread that is active right now and look at the ID requests that are confirmed to be liberty caps...if they were fruiting prolifically in eastern US right now you'd see at least some ID requests that weren't from the UK and Scandinavia areas.


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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: relic]
    #22251720 - 09/17/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Psilocybe semilanceata is a grass species.

If its not psilocybe coprophilia (which has a purple print and grows in the exact conditions you described) its a coprophilic Panaeolus or conocybe.

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    #22251850 - 09/17/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yea, I've been reading a little more and I see what you guys are saying. I still think it doesn't look right for coprophila tho, deconica or psilocybe judging from web pics. With the way the lines run up n down on the cap, it almost make me think mycena, but there again, not a dung lover. It's possible I scooped some semilanceata mycelium when shoveling the poo and I got a couple oddballs, or just oddball looking coprophila. However, my cowpoo and hpoo piles are right next to each other, with a large pile of prairie bundleweed stacked right next to those, so anything is possible. Either way, it's not a big deal, I'm not planning on eating these anyway, I only found 2. As far as actives to eat, I've got a cultivation project underway for that with GT's.


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    #22251903 - 09/17/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Bundleweed you say?

A desmanthus species?

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    #22253998 - 09/17/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Desmanthus Leptolobus I think, possibly Desmanthus Illinoensis. I'm not really sure how to tell the desmanthus species apart from each other. They started growing wild on the backside of my property about 4-5 yrs ago. I had never seen them before that, so I did some research and finally found it by description and found out they had slowly been creeping east from the midwest. I also discovered the magic that the roots hold, that's why I've got a pile of it.


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    #22254630 - 09/18/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's why I asked, they can be an extremely potent source of DMT.

I cant remember the difference its been a while, they can be pretty potent in the right conditions.

That's amazing they grow wild near you.

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    #22254739 - 09/18/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I hear they're the most potent around here. We have Arundo Donax and phillaris (Arundinacea and Aquatica species) also, but from what I've read those have to much gramine to little dmt for it to really be worth an extraction.


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    #22255025 - 09/18/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes and gramine can be toxic, its funny though that gramine is DMT only with a single carbon side chain rather than a two carbon chain (ch2-ch2-N-(ch3)²), that single carbon/hydrogen group missing turns DMT into a toxin, gramine...

I have also heard of some of the phalaris grasses producing 5-meo-DMT, and in the ayahuasca deaths on erowid, the "homebrew" case involves 5-meo-DMT in high amounts reletive to beta-carbolines or DMT itself....
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_death.shtml
(Some of these cases are murky, one woman stopped her medications 3 days prior, in the other cases it appears that the bodies were dumped on the side of the road or were attempted to be hidden, and the exact cause of death was unknown.

Your really lucky to have found those desmanthus plants, ive heard leptolobus is the stronger plant, but that DMT content is always variable and often depends on plant genetics and conditions of growth.

As far as I can tell the major noticeable difference is flower color, there may be other minor taxonomic differences, but the obvious one is flower color. Illinoensis is pink leptolobus is white.

Ive thought about buying seeds, how far out west do you think they will grow? They die at the end of every season right? So from spring to winter they would be fine in most places right?

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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22269137 - 09/21/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I went out today and took some pics of the Bundleflower growing here. They have the white and yellow flowers, well just yellow at this point in the season, the white is gone. From what I was just reading Desmanthus Illinoensis is the one with white and yellow flowers. These are at the bottom of a large hill coming out of the woods, plenty of rich, nutritious runoff for these guys.




I'm not sure how far out west they grow. Yes, they die out at the end of every season, flowers are already starting to go now. I'm around the zone 7a-7b border and I usually notice them in May at about 3-4 inches tall. They reach maturity around here in late July - early August. With a fairly short season, I think they would grow well in most places.


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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: thebug76]
    #22287264 - 09/25/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hi im needing help identifying these please!?

Im not sure how to post up my own thread so i posted here i hope its ok?

I think they are Turkey tail

but am a little wary as the underside is yellowish / tan coloured

they were growing out of a Casurina (shea oak) log in Sydney Australia.

They have some small mites on them too and some other slugs eating them.

Could they be Hirsute? The top was just velvety but not with long hairs

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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22287532 - 09/25/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
Thoughts on number 7:

What color was the spore print?

I have actually seen psilocybe coprophilia that had a lighter color...



psilocybe coprophilia

http://www.mykoweb.com/CAF/species/Protostropharia_semiglobata.html
Stropharia semiglobata


There's also a coprophilic conocybe that looks similar, but I cant think of the Latin name...

Let me know if you figure it out...

-E. Borodin




I know this is slightly off topic but I found a Stropharia semiglobata one time and I thought to myself based on the look of the mushroom at the time that it might have been a psilocybe or maybe even an active species in general. I never knew the ID but I'm almost positive this was it looking back. The habitat is too fitting but it's funny because that is the only one I ever found here in SoCal. To be specific it was in a surrounding city called Escondido, which is I believe where the farthest south ever found Psilocybe Cyanescens was found...
Very cool and good to know!

Does anyone know a more specific region of growth for Stropharia semiglobata? I see it grows in most continents but it's not very specific to where in those continents.


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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: Lewin]
    #22287538 - 09/25/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Lewin said:
Hi im needing help identifying these please!?

Im not sure how to post up my own thread so i posted here i hope its ok?

I think they are Turkey tail

but am a little wary as the underside is yellowish / tan coloured

they were growing out of a Casurina (shea oak) log in Sydney Australia.

They have some small mites on them too and some other slugs eating them.

Could they be Hirsute? The top was just velvety but not with long hairs

lewin






Looks like trametes versicolor to me I would think you are fine, but wait for a trusted ID. Also, to post your own thread which people will want you to do, you find the little button on the page before this near the top that says "Post" I believe.


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