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relic
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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: thebug76]
#22251252 - 09/17/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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thebug76 said: Spore print was purple and brown, although it didn't drop very well, which I heard libs don't drop spores well at room temperature anyway. It was like 2 purple spots and 2 brown spots. It was growing on straight cow poo outside, which is what everything says they grow on, and it was 2 days after a rain during a cool spell right before fall. I mean, I'm not trying to argue with experience, but conditions sound pretty normal for libs to me avcording to my research.
Psilocybe semilanceata aka liberty caps habitat is grass, especially grass grazed by sheep and cows either currently or previously.
perhaps you're thinking Psilocybe cubensis and writing Ps. semilanceata?
frankly i couldn't even see that spore print and was going off of the pic next to the lighter...the main one that is semi in focus.
one of the best ways to learn is to do what you did in the first post but limit your ID requests to one or a couple per thread rather than 7 and **post clear pics**.
good luck.
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relic
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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: relic]
#22251282 - 09/17/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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also: look at the only liberty cap thread that is active right now and look at the ID requests that are confirmed to be liberty caps...if they were fruiting prolifically in eastern US right now you'd see at least some ID requests that weren't from the UK and Scandinavia areas.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: relic]
#22251720 - 09/17/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psilocybe semilanceata is a grass species.
If its not psilocybe coprophilia (which has a purple print and grows in the exact conditions you described) its a coprophilic Panaeolus or conocybe.
-E. Borodin
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thebug76
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Yea, I've been reading a little more and I see what you guys are saying. I still think it doesn't look right for coprophila tho, deconica or psilocybe judging from web pics. With the way the lines run up n down on the cap, it almost make me think mycena, but there again, not a dung lover. It's possible I scooped some semilanceata mycelium when shoveling the poo and I got a couple oddballs, or just oddball looking coprophila. However, my cowpoo and hpoo piles are right next to each other, with a large pile of prairie bundleweed stacked right next to those, so anything is possible. Either way, it's not a big deal, I'm not planning on eating these anyway, I only found 2. As far as actives to eat, I've got a cultivation project underway for that with GT's.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: thebug76]
#22251903 - 09/17/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bundleweed you say?
A desmanthus species?
-E. Borodin
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thebug76
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Desmanthus Leptolobus I think, possibly Desmanthus Illinoensis. I'm not really sure how to tell the desmanthus species apart from each other. They started growing wild on the backside of my property about 4-5 yrs ago. I had never seen them before that, so I did some research and finally found it by description and found out they had slowly been creeping east from the midwest. I also discovered the magic that the roots hold, that's why I've got a pile of it.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: thebug76]
#22254630 - 09/18/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's why I asked, they can be an extremely potent source of DMT.
I cant remember the difference its been a while, they can be pretty potent in the right conditions.
That's amazing they grow wild near you.
-E. Borodin
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thebug76
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I hear they're the most potent around here. We have Arundo Donax and phillaris (Arundinacea and Aquatica species) also, but from what I've read those have to much gramine to little dmt for it to really be worth an extraction.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: thebug76]
#22255025 - 09/18/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes and gramine can be toxic, its funny though that gramine is DMT only with a single carbon side chain rather than a two carbon chain (ch2-ch2-N-(ch3)²), that single carbon/hydrogen group missing turns DMT into a toxin, gramine...
I have also heard of some of the phalaris grasses producing 5-meo-DMT, and in the ayahuasca deaths on erowid, the "homebrew" case involves 5-meo-DMT in high amounts reletive to beta-carbolines or DMT itself.... https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_death.shtml (Some of these cases are murky, one woman stopped her medications 3 days prior, in the other cases it appears that the bodies were dumped on the side of the road or were attempted to be hidden, and the exact cause of death was unknown.
Your really lucky to have found those desmanthus plants, ive heard leptolobus is the stronger plant, but that DMT content is always variable and often depends on plant genetics and conditions of growth.
As far as I can tell the major noticeable difference is flower color, there may be other minor taxonomic differences, but the obvious one is flower color. Illinoensis is pink leptolobus is white.
Ive thought about buying seeds, how far out west do you think they will grow? They die at the end of every season right? So from spring to winter they would be fine in most places right?
-E. Borodin
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thebug76
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I went out today and took some pics of the Bundleflower growing here. They have the white and yellow flowers, well just yellow at this point in the season, the white is gone. From what I was just reading Desmanthus Illinoensis is the one with white and yellow flowers. These are at the bottom of a large hill coming out of the woods, plenty of rich, nutritious runoff for these guys.

I'm not sure how far out west they grow. Yes, they die out at the end of every season, flowers are already starting to go now. I'm around the zone 7a-7b border and I usually notice them in May at about 3-4 inches tall. They reach maturity around here in late July - early August. With a fairly short season, I think they would grow well in most places.
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Lewin
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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: thebug76]
#22287264 - 09/25/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi im needing help identifying these please!?
Im not sure how to post up my own thread so i posted here i hope its ok?
I think they are Turkey tail
but am a little wary as the underside is yellowish / tan coloured
they were growing out of a Casurina (shea oak) log in Sydney Australia.
They have some small mites on them too and some other slugs eating them.
Could they be Hirsute? The top was just velvety but not with long hairs
lewin
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elementblazin
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: Thoughts on number 7:
What color was the spore print?
I have actually seen psilocybe coprophilia that had a lighter color...
 psilocybe coprophilia
http://www.mykoweb.com/CAF/species/Protostropharia_semiglobata.html Stropharia semiglobata
There's also a coprophilic conocybe that looks similar, but I cant think of the Latin name...
Let me know if you figure it out...
-E. Borodin
I know this is slightly off topic but I found a Stropharia semiglobata one time and I thought to myself based on the look of the mushroom at the time that it might have been a psilocybe or maybe even an active species in general. I never knew the ID but I'm almost positive this was it looking back. The habitat is too fitting but it's funny because that is the only one I ever found here in SoCal. To be specific it was in a surrounding city called Escondido, which is I believe where the farthest south ever found Psilocybe Cyanescens was found... Very cool and good to know!
Does anyone know a more specific region of growth for Stropharia semiglobata? I see it grows in most continents but it's not very specific to where in those continents.
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Re: Help ID several species found on hike please [Re: Lewin]
#22287538 - 09/25/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lewin said: Hi im needing help identifying these please!?
Im not sure how to post up my own thread so i posted here i hope its ok?
I think they are Turkey tail
but am a little wary as the underside is yellowish / tan coloured
they were growing out of a Casurina (shea oak) log in Sydney Australia.
They have some small mites on them too and some other slugs eating them.
Could they be Hirsute? The top was just velvety but not with long hairs
lewin

Looks like trametes versicolor to me I would think you are fine, but wait for a trusted ID. Also, to post your own thread which people will want you to do, you find the little button on the page before this near the top that says "Post" I believe.
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